• SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
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    Give it 5-10 years and every college age person being funneled into the trades, then they will be oversaturated again and we will go back to overpacking STEM

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      My wife graduated law school in 2010, Summa Cum Laude, and just barely got a job at a low rent firm.

      Five years later, she’s earning twice the money at a much nicer place for not much more work, because the glut of students from '08-'10 caused grads in '11-'14 to look elsewhere. Suddenly there was a huge supply gap and you could write your own ticket.

      Moral of the Story: Get good at something and stick with it. Markets go up, markets go down, but skills pay the bills in the end.

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    People typically get paid to earn a PhD, so this person’s debt likely came from elsewhere, unless they grossly overpaid for their undergraduate education.

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      Don’t forget that loans are probably deferred through the PhD, so that’s like 4+ years of accumulated interest on top.

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      thats probably it, undergrad in a expensive college is way more likely., or if hes did a MS as well, which is tuition only as well.

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      “I graduated high school, got a good job at the Mill, married my high school sweetheart, had five kids, bought a second house with a boat, retired at 60, went insane reading Facebook memes and watching FOX News, then decided to shoot up the Harvest Music Festival in 2017. Why can’t you young people do that?”

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    I became a homeowner recently and a bunch of people I know just reacted with absolute jealousy and negativity. People suck

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        He should pull himself up by the bootstraps to proove his manly manliness?

        I love how we all agree on the general problem of capitalism but God forbid we apply it in our daily life.

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          Decisions have consequences. Brother 1 chose to be 140K in debt. Brother 2 didn’t. It’s not Brother 2’s problem to solve.

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            Decisions have consequences

            I’d still help you out if you were in a car crash, even though it was your decision to drive a vehicle.

            Though of course, this doesn’t mean helping out is mandatory.

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              Nah, they decided to buy a more affordable car with only a 3-star crash rating because they decided to get stressed about their only financing option being complete dogshit because of a wrecked economy, because they decided to have a job that required going into the office.

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                If that’s how you see our familiar relations sure, you’re your own individual. But boy I’d hate to be your family member.

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                  “I chose [X] of my own free will. Now I’m unhappy with that choice. Fix it for me.” No.

                  “Events outside my control have made things hard. Help?” Yes.

                  See the fucking difference?

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                  He chose to get an education he couldn’t afford, so he took out loans. Now he is in debt.

                  Either he did this with his eyes open, in which case it’s his problem to solve,

                  OR

                  He did this WITHOUT knowing the consequences, in which case he should have fucking read the fine print and it’s his problem to solve.

                  I agree the cost of education is out of control, but nobody forced him to do it. He chose to. Now he can deal with it.

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              Probably them choosing to do the thing. Someone doing a PhD might be hoping to land a good job later on and be able to through that pay off the debt. Or they want to pursue their passion, even if it means debt. It’s a decision to go for those. Could’ve gone to trade school.

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    Your personality didn’t work out, but mine did? Oh, how my dominance displays! I have no justification for my existence!

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    Out of the 8 cousins in my family the 2 of us that didn’t go to college are the only ones who own a house. I didn’t finish 10th grade and I’m looking at buying my second house and trying to figure out how to keep my current one to give to my mom.

    My cousins are pretty cool (aside from a couple who are very spiteful) but my aunts and uncles act like I scammed them all for everything they had.

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      Oh. I hadn’t read it like that. I thought the brother was a hypocrite because if he has a PhD he SHOULD be able to pay his debts and get a hose (I’m not from the us so I’m guessing that part) but I stead seems to not ba able to manage his own money while criticizing OP

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        College graduates (PhD or otherwise) drowning in debt and not being financially able to pay it off is common enough here in the US that it’s a trope, and likely the basis for this “joke”.

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          I see. Thanks. Lately I’ve started to realize just how expensive health and education are in the us.

          I went to see a neurologist and paid 0 cents My brother is considering a biology PhD and he’s broke. A 3 bedroom house costs like 60k usd

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            That same house in my area costs at least 10 times that amount. I was lucky in that I had “only” $80,000 of debt from my bachelor’s, a housing situation via marriage, and a career path with solid pay (after going back for an associate’s while working in a low-paying job post-graduation for 7 years). I only finally paid off that debt 2 years ago and I graduated in 2008. I don’t know how a lot of people manage.

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      He did the plumbing for the brother’s place.

      Set up the toilet to pipe to the kitchen sink. “eat shit” as they say.

      shrug

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    I have a lot of respect for the people that do it but I couldn’t. I have two left hands and am fairly skittish when it comes to human excrement.

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      Then it sounds like HVAC/Refrigeration it the trade for you. It’s kind of funny because we tend to get all the people who dropped other trades for various reasons. I work with ex plumbers who didn’t want to deal with shit, I work with journeyman electricians who didn’t want to spend 8 years becomming a master electrician, I work with ex building automation guys who got tired of trying to automate busted equipment. A lot of my coworkers started in other trades, went “This fucking sucks” and switched to HVAC-R.

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      Plumbing isn’t exactly rocket science. And with some infra companies you don’t have to deal with any nasty parts.

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        Depends on what level you’re at. I had a friend help us install a new septic system. Holy shit was there a lot more to it than I ever guessed. Had no idea surveying gear was required.

        At a higher level, same guy drafts plans for military bases and hospitals. Then he goes in the field to troubleshoot issues. Plumbing includes gas if applicable!

        Most of us are familiar with, if not doing the work, the principles behind fixing a leak, replacing a sink or toilet, etc. I can do all of the above, but I don’t know the fine points in doing it right. There’s far more to residential plumbing than most see.

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          In my experience a lot of those jobs are handled by more specific people I wouldn’t exactly call just plumbers. There’s far more to it than people realize for sure but it’s still not rocket science.

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      There’s other hand-craft trades that don’t involve sewage. If you get into the commercial space, there’s a good chance you’d deal with it a lot less if at all since they would need a specialist for biohazards.

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      It’s not all just poopoo peepee stuff. A lot of plumbers do mechanical work in commercial buildings, boiler retrofits, repiping, construction. I’m in commercial HVAC and work with a bunch of plumbers whose skills and scope of work have great overlap with mine. I’ve also helped them out doing boiler retros/repipes. We offer similar services, subcontracting each other to our own customers, just they do more of the gas fired work and fix leaks in heating loops and I do the AC/Refrigeration stuff