Afatwa, or religious decree, issued by senior Iranian clerics calling for the assassination of U.S. President Donald Trump has attracted online funding worth tens of millions of dollars, reports say.

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    I don’t think making him a martyr would be a good idea. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t shed a tear if he passed with the worst agony I can imagine. But making him a martyr would make his agenda immortal.

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      I’m unconvinced they can find a replacement for him that touches the nerve of all those hateful loons at once. Who are they going to have? JD Vance and his eyeliner?

      The next election they’d play the “Do it for Him” card, but I can’t see them queuing round the block to vote for anyone else. They voted for Donald because even in their politically sheltered lives, they’d heard of him and seen him on TV. As somebody who watched Boris Johnson rise to power, it really is as fucking dumb as that.

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      Worst take in the thread. Martyr or not his philosophy and his followers is “unbridled self interest” aka “fuck you, I got mine.” Martyrdom is antethetical to the cause.

      Somebody offing him would set a good example that being a corrupt, fascist leader is not a good way to get riches or a long healthy life.

      Am I saying anyone should do something? No.

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        Nah, it needs to be supremely conspiracy proof. Too many people will believe it was assassination of it could have possibly been assassination.

        He’s an old unhealthy man, albeit with the best possible health care. His passing is moderately likely in an average day from health issues.

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      Martyrs tend to be symbols to a cause. Trump and maga don’t have much ideology it’s more a cult of personality. Those tend to go away when the central figure dies.

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        I understand what you mean. But think of Hitler. Obviously his agenda did not die with him. But imagine all the numbnuts if he was assasinated on the peak of his power.

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          thats exactly what he did. He killed himself before he could get captured because videos of him in detention and beaten senseless would diminish his legacy. Your example is prove of the other guy being right

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          And to be fair, the easiest way to tell someone doesnt belong in society is when they start spouting hitlers views. A little litmus test, as a treat

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      I disagree. The people who want to make him a Martyr will make him a Martyr no matter what. The people who know what he has done will understand that him being killed doesn’t make any of that better.

      See the way all the other Fascists in the world before him were handled.

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        I don’t think you are wrong. But I think an assassination would be the icing on the idiot cake.

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      Bad idea if you live in a country with extradition treaty with the US.

      You could end up in gitmo for “providing material support to terrorist activity”, because that is technically what you are doing, money is material support.

      I can’t tell you what to do, but like if Iran actually manage to do it, it would be the best excuse to get Iran obliterated from the map, and most NATO countries will probably help with the invasion of Iran under Article 5, since that’s effectively like a 9/11 v2 (not in number of deaths, but in terms of being able to justify a foreign war).

      Iran performing the assassination is 100x worse than, say that nutjob in 2024 doing it. If trump die from that kid’s gunshot, there wouldn’t be much happening, but if Iran did it? In this tense political climate where 1/3 of the US population are in a cult? Can you even imagine all the lynchings against Muslims, Arabs, and anyone who “looks middle eastern”?

      Any soldiers or national guard that was bordering on “hmm, is this actually legal”, will now not even question their orders. Being anti-trump in the aftermath of this hypothetical assassination would be treated as almost as bad as supporting al-qaeda.

      Its not a good idea, IMO.

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        Why article 5? Is it not only valid if a country suffers an unprovoked attack? It will be hard to argue that bombing a country is not a provocation.

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          Because the US has intervened in the middle east for a long time before 9/11 and it was actuallt said to be bin laden’s motivation to attack the US. Look at what happened after 9/11; article 5 was triggered. They didn’t seem to think the US interventions in the middle east were a “provocation”.

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      Perhaps move to Iran first, then you can really appreciate the greatness of that society and their great struggle against evil.

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    Let’s assume that succeeds. A bunch of religious fanatics signing their fellow countrymen’s death warrant. How is that different from maga loonies pulling down America? Still love the fact, but… Yeah

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    It’ll never succeed and to be honest, killing the Orange Jackass now world be counter productive. He’s the head of a cult and one of the most important lessons of Christianity is to never make martyrsb out of cult leaders.

    The best thing that could happen is he dies or is otherwise incapacitated by a stroke or heart attack. Then he MAGA will year itself apart trying to consolidate around over if several new leaders who lack the particular kind of charisma Trump possessed. Vance will be a puppet President that will seesaw between whichever faction is ascendant at any particular point, or else stick to one faction that has the most leverage.

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    Ugh, does anyone want to see “JD” “Vance” take that role while the qons make a martyr of this shithead?

    Or possibly worse, that little dweeby troll magamike johnson if they were to target “JD”, too?

    The people behind 2025 will use anyone else as their tool and if Taco were to fatwa’ed, it wouldn’t make anything better and would most likely make things much worse.

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      Was JFK ever a martyr? They elected Nixon the next election.

      I just don’t buy this argument, and as far as J Davenport fucker is concerned I don’t think he could hold the party together, and they’d eat themselves.

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      Hypothetically, if Trump flatlined, Vance would be FAR better. He doesn’t command the cult. The cult would finally fracture. Rats would finally speak truth to power.