lemm.ee has shut down at 00:14 UTC.
unfortunately I realized too late that I have had hundreds of saved links to posts and comments from there, so I did not have enough time to save them, but anyways it is interesting that maybe a third of the post links I could try were dead. I think linkrot is happening much faster here than on reddit, even if just counting deleted posts.
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speaking of that, there was a userscript that is able to find the same post on other instances. I should look it up, in case it can also work with posts of offline instances
it should, as long as the post was synchronized in the past…
https://lemmy.zip/c/meta@lemm.ee
seekms your username was different on lemm.ee:
hmm that’s interesting because I did not have a lemm.ee account! :Djust 3 tons of links to it.edit: I misunderstood it, no I didn’t have an account there
also in the meantime I did some research. it turns out I was probably remembering the Lemmy Universal Link Switcher userscript: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/469273-lemmy-universal-link-switcher
it can look up posts by their activitypub id, which is the de-facto ID of a post, that is same across all instances. this ID is the url of the content on the original instance. so, the following could be an activitypub id, if the post was actually created on lemm.ee: https://lemm.ee/post/64477597
to look up a post by this, the userscript uses the
/api/v3/resolve_objectAPI endpoint.
it searches your local instance, and if you are authenticated it also queries the host in the url, lemm.ee in this example. but of course this remote query does not work anymore.now here comes the twist. I know I always read lemmy through sh.itjust.works, so whatever I saved should be known by this server. and the link that I save, often does not point to the origin instance, because clients work that way.
so it seems 2 lemm.ee links that I tried to look up were not actually posted there, because bmy server does not know a post that has this ap id, I just somehow got a link that points to the lemm.ee version of that post or comment…Fortunately the messaging app I misuse for link collection always loads the title and image of the webpage, so by some manual work I should be able to find the actual links to each of them.
$ curl -sw'\n' \ https://lemmy.ml/api/v3/resolve_object?q=https%3A%2F%2Fsh.itjust.works%2Fcomment%2F19488525 \ | jq -r '.comment.comment.content' | head -n 1 ~~hmm that's interesting because I did not have a lemm.ee account! :D~~ just 3 tons of links to it. $
Deleting your account deletes your content, unlike deleting your Reddit account. Hence the linkrot.
I learnt pretty early on that saving posts using the save button was not a good way to save the information 😮💨
That’s weird. I moved over from lemm.ee and transferred data. The saved posts transferred too.
No that’s expected, as part of your profile info. But if the original authors delete the comments, then they will also be deleted in your saved items.
Ah got it!
Not quite. If your comments federated out to an instance that either a) doesn’t get the delete request or b) ignores the delete request, your comments will very much stay out there in the fedeverse with not much you can do. Yes posts on the original instance may be gone, but anything that get pushed out via ActivityPub is a crap shoot.
Yes with ActivityPub there’s always failed federation. But Lemmy will send the delete request out when you delete your account. Other software or instances might not honour it, but the intent is there.
As opposed to reddit who do not remove comments when an account is deleted, only mark it as a comment from a deleted account.
I’m not against Lemmy’s implementation, but it does require you to collect information you need at the time not assume it will always be there.
Ah, I get where you’re going with that and understand your view. My point was more for users who think that deleting an account will really get rid of it everywhere and I didn’t want them getting their hopes up.
Yeah bookmarks are a lot better than using specific save systems
Bookmarks won’t help if the content gets removed. You’ve got to copy the important information elsewhere.
I tend to use either a note app (Joplin) or a self-hosted wiki for that.
Yeah fair, most of my bookmarks aren’t really things that are important to save, just funny things I want to share later or something.
I always take a screenshot because I am lazy but just copying the text, like you say, is better
I think linkrot is happening much faster here than on reddit, even if just counting deleted posts.
Are you sure? Are lemm.ee posts showing as deleted for you? It looks like the copies of anything posted to lemm.ee still exist on the instances that it was federated with. Try this link !animation@lemm.ee, I am pretty sure it should still work on your instance.
It’s not all the lemm.ee posts, just a significant amount of them.
also in the meantime I realized my hundreds of lemm.ee links are not actually links to lemm.ee hosted posts, but just links to the lemm.ee view of them. I was just very often copying the wrong link that still worked, but wasn’t the definitive one
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yeah but it turns out a lot of my lemm.ee links are not actually to content that’s originating from there, but lemm.ee-view links for which if I search, there’s no result.
Fortunately I also have the title and image permanently loaded for these links, so I can find them with some manual work
Goodbye ee
You were waiting for this one for a month, aren’t you? :)
Hello world, lemmee refugee here, & first post on piefed! I had exported my settings before the ship went down, figured we could import it in another instance to save my comments and communities, but I don’t see any option to import here. Does piefed speak with Lemmy yet it’s not part of Lemmy?
Piefed speaks to Lemmy instances, yes.
You can import data here: https://piefed.social/user/settings/import_export
o7
$ curl -sI https://lemm.ee/ | grep '^location:' location: https://join-lemmy.org/The linkrot is real but not unexpected when anyone can spin up and shut down instances. Nothing is forever
It’s mostly not because of instance shutdown though. especially on lemmy, because lots of posts are readable elsewhere after shutdown.
It was my first home. I thank them for bringing me in.
🫡 you were good to us .ee, may you forever rest in peace.
Out of the loop, why did they shut down?
Not enough admins, and those there were burnt out.
Furthermore, I thought that they were supposed to be a temporary instance for the reddit influx as well.
A solution to this is Nostr. One identity across the entire network.
Twitter-like Platform/client dies overnight? No problem, all data still there.
Reddit-like platform/client dies overnight? No problem, all data still there.
PC dies overnight? No problem, all data still there.
Data is sync’d across multiple relays, you can run your own, and clients are interoperable.
It’s my go-to now, for everything. A person’s posts, their followers/audience, chats, etc never needs to be migrated.
Media is stored using the Blossom protocol which was created for Nostr.
V4V(Value 4 Value) is also a thing, so instead of just Likes/Reactions you can tip/Zap Sats (Bitcoin over Lightning) but that’s optional.
You just lost all the anticryptobros with that last sentence.
It’s not centralised though. It’s quite decentralised actually.
As for your “nazi bar problem”, I’d suggest you review the relays you connect to. That’s the beauty of free speech, and power of choice.
Centralised identity is something that Nostr does right. But it’s got a nazi bar problem
I’m sure I was sufficiently notified, but I am not big on reading updates on ny instace, so this came as a surpise just now.
Thanks for the server! Onwards to the next!
The original shut down thread was posted over 3 weeks ago.
