Microsoft needs to re-evaluate the support window, because nobody’s buying Windows 11. They fucked themselves with the high hardware requirements.
They don’t have to make people buy it. They just have to stop supporting 10 and have no new machines with 10 pre installed. It will naturally invade our lives.
And an incomplete product; windows 11 was less functional at launch than windows 10. I’ve been a windows user since 98 and that’s the first time I can remember having said that. Sure, there were off editions that were weird and unpleasant, but I wouldn’t say less functional. Windows 11 just flat out was an incomplete product at launch.
And the live service dependencies: windows 11 pooping its diaper and having a fit about every other thing because it doesn’t have an Internet connection even though an Internet connection isn’t strictly necessary is a terrible UX choice. Anyone with half a brain knows it’s because MS has decided that if you won’t let them slurp that tasty, tasty data, then you shouldn’t be able to use the product you paid for.
And the plans to stuff ads into your operating system
And them basically doing the same shit that landed them huge anti-trust lawsuits in the 90s, but we’re doing it again because they figure they can make more money than the lawsuit will cost them, so fuck it.
There’s a lot to not like here.
Sure, there were off editions that were weird and unpleasant
You could just say ME.
But I’m curious, have the issues you’ve described made you consider leaving Windows?
Oh, I did. I ended up installing Linux mint and used it on my personal machine for about six months before re-installing windows. I would still be using Linux, I liked it a lot, but I found I had a lot of trouble getting multiplayer to work between my daughter and I. Gaming is 98% of the way there, but that 2% is really annoying and it’s most of what I use my personal machine for. I’m sure I could have figured it out if I’d had a solid 12-36 hours to fine tune configs and Google hyper specific issues, but I just don’t have that. I’m confident I will return to Linux in time, but Windows still has the edge in terms of out-of-the-box gaming, sadly.
There’s a lot to not like here.
the new snipping-tool is neat
Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.
I dunno if it’s the hardware requirements. The ads are the thing I don’t want. Not sure I see the point of moving the start menu either.
That was an effort to get people to buy new machines. I loaded it on my gen 7 i7 and my gen 8. Both run it just fine but microsoft insists that one is good and one is bad. Its all about new sales.
lol
My win10 upgraded without asking. Win11 is horrible, I’m going to wipe and reinstall win10 again. As soon as update support stops, it’s Linux for me. Screw Microsoft. They even added ads as notifications and they are going to put ads in the start menu. Wtf! This is the end of windows, I’m sure.
during the great Mastodon migration in 2022 I saw someone post how they head to unlearn scrolling past every 6th post or so on their timeline, because that’s how the Twitter app was displaying the ads. I wish Microsoft the Very Bad and daydream about year of the Linux desktop, but something’s telling me people will get used to ads on Windows the same way.
You’re definitely right. Facebook got super shitty and most people didn’t leave. Netflix got super shitty and most people didn’t leave. YouTube got super shitty and most people didn’t leave. Amazon’s shitty video service got even more shitty, but Fallout was about to come out, so most people didn’t leave and I bet they actually got more subscribers (but idc enough to look it up). It seems like most people have accepted that things just get shitty over time. Or maybe they’re just not noticing the shitty changes? Idk. It’s hard to look at our projected trajectory as a species and be left with much hope. There’s good in this world, but it seems like none of it is coming from companies.
Reddit got more shitty, but as expected from Reddit users, they all made a big deal about it for a month but still continued to be users. With how stupid easy it is to make an account on there, I’m sure most just pretended to delete their accounts and just made more as an excuse to ‘start anew’.
Like wow, bravo, what revolution, guys. You sure showed Spez. /s
I guess on one hand, I kind of get it. We’re all going to get to a point in our lives where we’re so old that we can’t care about every little thing before we get there. Then before we’re going to die from age or whatever, some would realize how wasted of a time their lives have been when they’ve spent getting angry about every little thing to do something about it.
So it’s probably why so many people just come to accept things as is. They’re going to die anyways so mind as well enjoy what’s here if possible before we get there.
However, on the other hand, you know it isn’t as bad to try to be some change to the world for a better future so that nobody would have to deal with the same shit one has dealt with. And maybe if people were a little more resourceful and took cues from people who have thought better with wisdom, they’d realize that being overly angry isn’t the solution. Don’t be angry, get crafty.
I’d like to think that this is the kind of mindset most may have.
I mostly agree, except that I’m here because I left reddit. I can’t speak for anybody else, but you can see my history here and compare it to my history there. It’s been almost a year now and I’m not going back.
I’d like to think that enough people will get pissed off enough to make real change happen, but people think they have too much to lose and don’t see how much they have to gain. In general, I mean. Windows doesn’t really fucking matter lol. Netflix doesn’t really fucking matter. The realistic course of action is to just vote with our wallets and hope that discourages overly shitty practices from these companies.
I’m kind of salty how fucking easy it was for Reddit to just ignore the problem. I left them for here and haven’t gone back unless it was a Google result.
The majority of people “stayed just for the niche community” then just assimilated and stopped coming back to Lemmy.
Because the whole third-party fiasco was treated as just the ‘cool thing’ to do. This is Reddit we’re talking about here, the kind of site that sits, thousands to a few million users who all think they’re one and two steps ahead of everyone else. The kind who think they know everything inside and out, 4-D chess .etc
So of course they’d be the kind to take something of a situation as to what happened when third-party development got gutted out and treat that as just a trend.
If that incident and the fact that Reddit now is an IPO hadn’t changed enough minds, nothing will. They love the attention and any attention they get as well as the karma-farming validation whenever they complain about how “reddit sucks”.
No, it’s all for show. They’re whores.
I didn’t leave Facebook, I just stopped using it. You can see their monthly active users are not going up, and sometimes going down. Only Instagram is growing
Monthly active robots…
On one hand I agree that most people probably won’t change. On the other, the difference between an OS and websites is that windows has very little exclusivity left. If you want to read Facebook content, you go on Facebook. If you want to watch fallout, you go on prime. If you want to watch long-form content (relative to TikTok), you go to youtube.
If you want a good OS, you’re not forced by Microsoft to exclusively use windows. There are some pockets (like Xbox game pass games) but overall the average user could realistically switch to debian, Ubuntu or mint and not actually materially change what they do and watch on their computer, whereas if you decided to stop using Netflix, yes the experience of watching would be better but you wouldn’t actually be experiencing the same content.
I don’t disagree with your point, but I think that the most important variable is how receptive the average person is to change. It takes a lot of discomfort for most people to want to make a significant change. Most people probably won’t even recognize that Windows sucks because it’s what they’re familiar with and they probably attribute general tech improvements and new software with the OS because they don’t know any better. So they see it as better in a lot of ways and only worse in a couple of ways. They probably also generally think that the only alternative is an overpriced Apple product. It wasn’t until YouTube started cracking down on ad blockers that most people were even aware of the existence of ad blockers lmao. So I’m sure your average Windows user thinks that Linux means programming gobbledygook in cmd.exe and they would rather scroll Facebook. People are dumb and uninterested in the discomfort of learning things. Even if what they’re learning is that there’s not much discomfort because there’s not much new to learn. You have to trick them by sneaking vegetables into their food. “You have a Samsung phone. That runs Android. Android is Linux. See, you’re already using it.” It’s a fucking shock to me that Windows phones never took off.
But maybe the most important factor to Microsoft is the business world. It’s obviously not unanimous, but a shitload of companies rely on the Office suite. Switching to something different overnight might be easy for some workers, but I’d assume a massive disruption in productivity until everybody got acclimated. There would probably need to be some kind of canned training thing to help workers with the transition, which would cost more money. In general, companies would run a cost-benefit analysis and ultimately decide that it really doesn’t make much business sense to make that change when things are fine as is. Because in reality, Windows is fine. It’s not bad enough for a business to burden a rocky quarter just because of some ads and a little jank.
The bad news for Microsoft however is that privacy and security could be getting called into question. Some businesses here and there might get worried about that, but it’s the big Department of Defense fish that will drop them overnight because it’s a matter of national security. In the same way that government devices banned tiktok years before considering a nationwide ban, government devices would not hesitate to dump Microsoft. Their greed could be their downfall. They’re okay so long as the government and their big contractors keep running Windows.
You’ve hit the nail on the head.
Who’s opinion matters more to Microsoft? Businesses, Governments and Enterprises. If they lose that audience, they’re up shit’s creek.
They don’t care if even 100,000 disgruntled Windows users collectively gripe about where Windows has gone in direction. Because Microsoft’s main concern is no longer appeasing the casual and power users. If you’re a business partner or a corporate body, you have their attention more.
Microsoft just knows that a large majority of users will still be there, using their OSes regardless of how much of a dumping they all take. Whether it’s 11, 10, 7 or even WinXP, they’ve got a majority in their ecosystem. And those users are terrified of change.
Hell, I used to have been that Windows user who was scared of change and intimidated by Linux. The issue is that, you just need to dip first, not dive head first all the way. Mac is just simply an extension of Linux. Android as mentioned is an extension of Linux. Windows is it’s own entity surrounded by different Linux versions and forms.
I had the same experience when switching from the reddit app to Boost. When Boost stopped working for reddit, I couldn’t stand it so it was bye bye reddit my entire pc connection is ad free. There’s a filter in my router, strong filter in my vpn and I have blockers. I do not watch streaming services, I download everything through usenet with an automated system on my NAS. I have no TV. I order groceries online, I never enter a store. My phone has filters too. I live completely ad free. But then Microsoft comes, and says “fuck you, here’s an ad!” on MY machine. Without consent. I was boiling.
I’m testing out Tiny11, which is basically Windows 11 without the bloat and so far the experience is great!
My secondhand laptop from 2019 went from taking two minutes or more each to boot and to shut down in the full Microsoft monstrosity to less than 10 seconds for either in Tiny11 and the general performance is also dramatically improved!
(I’m speaking generally, not criticizing you personally.)
It’s amazing the great effort to which people will go to try to compensate for Microsoft’s abusive behavior, often while simultaneously claiming that switching OSs is too much effort.
Projects like Tiny11 are the computer equivalent of “oh, this black eye? I got it falling down the stairs and definitely not because my partner hit me.”
Folks get mad about Linux evangelism, but it’s really no different than friends saying “leave his ass; you’re too good for him!”
To be fair, alternatives like Tiny11 are much more user friendly for someone used to Windows than going all the way to Linux.
Especially if gaming is a big part of what you use your computer for and you prefer to do as much as possible with just the mouse rather than typing in various complex commands, both of which is the case with me.
Windows 11 is too bloated and otherwise enshittified and making Linux do what I want it to is too much of a hassle.
Tiny11 is better for my personal use case on both accounts and, like with Linux, I’m not rewarding Microsoft’s sleazy behavior by using it.
Have you ever tried any modern Linux desktop distribution?
I had a bad experience with Ubuntu and the likes about 10-15 years ago (as a daily driver for my desktop, that is). But a lot has changed since then.
Maybe take a look at Pop_OS or Linux Mint. I’m using the latter, it took less than 10 minutes to install and works out of the box! Everything else comes via it’s “app store”.
There is no need for the console, so you don’t need to type any commands!
Even my parents are using it. And gaming works great.
Have you ever tried any modern Linux desktop distribution?
Yeah, the last one I tried was Lubuntu Jammy Jellyfish a few months ago.
Pop was the one I tried first, but the ancient laptop I was using at the time couldn’t hack it, so I went with the ultra light weight version of Ubuntu in stead.
Very little worked out of the box and almost everything took a lot more fiddling and searching and asking for advice to get to work. For example, I never did manage to make bottles work after over a week of trying on and off, doing exactly what the documentation and advice told me to.
I haven’t gotten to the gaming part of my Tiny11 test, so if it fails that, I might give Pop another chance now that I have a much newer one, but Lubuntu is definitely not as hassle free as Linux enthusiasts keep promising that all their favorite distros are…
Oh man Lubuntu takes me back. I used it back when it still used LXDE, which was actually relevant back then.
That’s not been my experience with Debian as my daily driver for the last few months. I’m in the console, sorry “Konsole” every few days having to adjust something or install a program that isn’t in the store or available as an app image. It’s working, but I get KDE crashes once or twice a week and the microphone just doesn’t work sometimes.
It’s still much faster than my win10, though.
Sounds good, I’ll go check it out :)
I’m using StartAllBack and have found it to be a rather nice experience.
Yeah but that’s only UI issues. It also runs much slower then win10. There are massive performance issues. Next to that I have less rights to do stuff. Few days ago I wasn’t allowed to forget Bluetooth devices for example. Even in control panel bt settings. After XP it all went downhill with accessibility of settings. Fancy setting pages with restricted options. Why, what’s wrong with control panel? I know it’s still there, and we still have WIN+X but it’s getting placed behind more sub menus and restrictions and more and more is being removed to make it idiot proof. But it’s also locking me out. I want full control over my machine. No one tells me what I can and cannot access on my device. Fuck Microsoft.
I made all my accounts local only and I haven’t noticed these issues. I do still use control panel and the old user manager by default, so maybe that’s why?
I also used a special installer which allows for local only accounts out of the box and does some other changes. Maybe that’s why I’m having a better experience. This is the guide I followed. Follow the guide for Rufus.
I used something similar for win10. A stripped down version without all the booking.com and Xbox bs pre-installed. Only local account. But it auto upgraded to 11. Time for format C.
I’m so glad I’m stuck with a “your hardware doesn’t support windows 11” message.
Just disable TPM in your BIOS if you have that option. Win 11 needs modern TPM so it won’t upgrade you if you don’t have one.
“Needs” lol
It’s just in there to sell more hardware. Afaik, 11 does nothing that actually requires the newer tpm.
Yeah people who really wanted 11 back in the beginning found an easy process to bypass the check during the install. 11 works fine without it.
If you make the bootable USB drive with Rufus, a little window pops up asking if you wanna remove some of the bullshit, such as TPM and secure boot requirements.
Same, out of curiosity, I checked my system for that and got the message.
Even if I didn’t, I’m not going to sit around all day as 64GB of “required” stora- oh I mean bloatware to install on my system.
Windows used to function fine with 2GB of storage. It does NOT need 64GB and Microsoft can get fucked.
I think this is a pretty big deal and they are shooting themselves in the foot with these unnecessary restrictions.
I disabled my TPM in BIOS so Windows would never upgrade
I literally can’t install it even if I wanted to. If they removed that requirement the rollout would be the same as any other update.
Its a downgrade. It offers nothing but ads. Who wants ads? Why do they feel the need to keep altering the interface? If microsoft manufactured automobiles they would switch the brake and gas pedals every other year.
My daughter has a Windows 10 notebook for school. We haven’t seen a reason to upgrade yet. If Windows made a “never bother you again about anything you don’t want to be bothered about” version of Windows 11, we’d upgrade because that’s so fucking annoying. I hate Windows.
I can’t wait for massive security problems on corporations once they shut down W10 support and those corporation considering if keeping with windows is woth the risk and the cost anymore.
I’m cautiously optimistic.
I think some smaller companies and government/ civil organisations might switch this time around. But probably most large companies will pay for long term Windows 10 support then begrudgingly switch to 11.
Those switching could use something else, but lets face it the only option mature enough other than Mac OS is Linux. Regardless of the number of organizations that do switch the increased exposure should make the idea of an OS that has no license fees being used successfully very tempting to a lot of people.
You mean like they did when Windows 7 went EoL?
Or when Windows XP went EoL?
Or when NT 4.0 went EoL?
This isn’t the first time Windows has gone EoL in a corporate environment; what makes you think it’ll be better or worse than previously? Some will begin the Win11 transition, some will pay for extended support until Windows 12, a few might switch to Linux, and the rest will run unsecured until circumstances force them to fix it.
This time around there are hardware requirements. Corporations equipment is not usually the latest hardware, and windows 11 is pushing customers to buy new hardware.
I suppose for many corporations upgrading to windows 11 would also mean upgrading the computer, which is an increase cost.
I must admit I’m on the edge of jumping ship, even the software which has been keeping me locked to windows is getting less and less appealing.
Do it. Get a second hard drive and distro hop. Eventually you’ll find what you like and use windows less and less. Doesn’t have to be all or nothing at one point in time.
True, true. I think the chances of me doing at least some sort of installation this year are close to 100% lol
One of us, one of us!
Do a flip!
Do a barrel roll!
I’m still having troubles to understand why’d they even want Windows 11 to happen and I’d really like some more informed people to help me out.
They had massive mergers as an unpredicted expense. I also don’t know many people who bought the last XBOX unlike previous gens or ever used MS Store. Is that sweet lobbying money from hardware producers? I thought they planned Windows X as the peak Windows platform to then sell internal products (game-as-a-service but OS), so did this plan failed?
Windows 11 looks like an afterthought and the centered taskbar may be intentionally put there to make it look different from Win10 while it’s probably the least changed new release as I learnt after a brief encounter with it (after XP, I don’t know much about earlier OSes).
Had they just run out of money?
I keep checking videos on YouTube from time to time about whether it is worth upgrading to Win 11 now (which people keep releasing regularly). Keep deciding it’s not worth changing.
Then I sold my laptop and had to use my Steam Deck for a couple of months. At that point I thought if I’m going to learn a different OS, then I might as well go all the way and jump over to Linux. Been very happy with OpenSUSE ever since.
This was my general takeaway. My laptop is showing it’s 9ish year old age considerably. I picked up a used Steam Deck and I actually love everything about it except that it’s really not powerful enough to replace my laptop. I’m interested in building a desktop, and SteamOS taught me that modern Linux is not super complicated, and now I know that it’s not a huge pain in the ass to troubleshoot because the community isn’t nearly as toxic as I was expecting. So unless I learn of an even better distro for general use, gaming, streaming, audio recording, and video editing, all for somebody who is experienced with Windows and not much else, I’m leaning towards Nobara.
The only real hurdle I have is that it’s hard to justify dumping like $1200-1500 on a computer when I already have a PS5, Steam Deck, and gaming laptop. I really don’t need it.
Depends on what you want to do. I sold my 2 year old gaming laptop and managed to spend 2 months getting amazing bargains on secondhand parts to make an amazing gaming PC. The Steam Deck and that does a great job of streaming the more demanding games from the PC.
The 9 year old laptop might be surprisingly functional if you use something like ZorinOS on it.
I’ll be honest, troubleshooting is still a gigantic pain in the ass sometimes. But if you can get over the hill of setting up the OS, then you’re good to go. The thing that’s made Linux bearable for me is AI. If I have a problem then I write it out in Copilot or ChatGPT, and it usually gives me the solution on the first try with a command o can just paste into terminal.
Tumbleweed, leap or slowroll?
Tumbleweed…and Kubuntu before that…and EndeavourOS before that…and ZorinOS before that…and Linux Mint before that…and Ubuntu before that.
But I’ve finally found Tumbleweed to be the OS to stick with. Although I do sometimes feel tempted to go back and try EndeavourOS now that I know more about Linux.
Y’all need to get yourselves that Windows 10 2021 LTSC IoT badboy (IoT part is important). It’s supported until 2032 and it’s only bloat is edge. If I had to use windows again it would be that. Maybe it’s downside would be software complaining in the future that the OS is too old, but I would say it’s worth a shot if you have to use Windows.
You can switch from Windows 10 pro into that?
At a cost. But mind as well pirate since Microsoft is so eager to shove people to Windows 11.
Haaa
Just get ltsc image from Microsoft and crack it. Its much less of a hassle
Oh no, that’s not all actually.
That version doesn’t even have the Windows Store, which is a huge bloat of it’s own. Oh and it doesn’t even stop there, apparently Microsoft treats even their Pro-users like trash nowadays, that you have full control of what you do on the Win10 2021 LTSC/LoT as opposed to the Pro version and it costs more.
I was going to ask how WSL gets installed without the Windows Store, but looks like the install path doesn’t use the store anymore. That was one of the few things I ever used the store for.
Yall need to just install linux.
Working on it, but only on page 5 of Linux for dummies
You most certainly don’t need a book and I can almost guarantee you that the book is already out of date and irrelevant.
Just dig in and get dirty and figure it out.
If I had an extra machine I totally would fafo, but alas I must approach with caution.
You don’t need a whole machine, just a VM.
Haven’t got to that chapter yet. 🙂
I couldn’t find a version of this that would work in a VM. The few I tried were “preactivated” and then complained about hardware changes when I tried to install in a VM.
No I’m not asking people to find me a working release. I’m just complaining that I just can’t be assed mucking around with unlicensed installations.
Linux doesn’t require AcTiVaTiOn
the last time I had to set up a windows-system, I just said fuck-it and bought a key for 2€ from on of these shady key-sides.
Yeah I bought some keys a while back.
It never seems to be as easy as “type in this key”. They get linked to my Microsoft account or some nonsense.
I waited until the last day of support to upgrade from Windows 7 to 10, I plan on doing the same with Windows 10.
With Windows 10 and 11 Microsoft has been gradually removing control from the user’s hands and I’m still miffed about that.
It’s been a gradual process and I do say that it started with Windows XP. People look at Windows XP with loads of nostalgia, but they conveniently forget how aggravatingly annoying it was with how often it kept prompting you about what you’re about to run. Like with the greyed out screens, asking whether you’re administrator and all that. It started with Windows XP.
And it has gotten worse since to where now this system you’ve paid $900 for that happen to have Windows pre-installed or maybe you bought that separately for another $200, so this $1,100 system you have. You can’t control it all.
I upgraded to 10 and my old laptop with a hard drive became unusable. I got multiple years of Linux from it instead of trashing it.
That’s why I scope out for old laptops from time to time. It’s pointless to hope for it to run today’s Windows OSes. But to write it off as completely useless is stupid when you can throw any desired Linux distro on it.
Though I have noticed that Ubuntu does get harder to run on old laptops.
Yeah, modern Windows and HDDs don’t mix well. I refurbished multiple laptops and each time just throwing in a cheap SSD (and cleaning the cooler + sometimes reapplying thermal paste) would breathe new life into them.
I wonder what’s happening?
For me, It’s linux mint on my main PC, goodbye windows.
I’m installing Linux on my machine this weekend, will probably go Mint, I’ve heard good things. Goodbye Mi¢ro$oft!
Due to changes in my life and career, the only reason I’m stuck on Windows is gaming. I’m not sure which will happen first, buying a Steam Deck or converting my computer to Linux for gaming, but at least one of those will happen before I upgrade to 11.
I was in your boat a few years ago. I was familiar with a few linux distros because of my job but I was hesitant to switch because the games I was playing didnt have native linux support. Eventually, I started daily driving Ubuntu and after some minor tinkering with steam and lutris, I could play any game I wanted without any issues.
That said, while I think Ubuntu is a great distro over all, there’s a part of me that worries that its only a matter of time before it goes to shit… So within the last year, I made the switch to Debian 12 and I flatpak’d everything. It was seriously one of the best decisions I’ve ever made in the context of personal computing. Seriously, its fucking seamless. Fuck windows 4 lyfe. All my homies hate windows.
Many of us would say Ubuntu has already gone to shit. I started on Ubuntu and always did Ubuntu server for running websites. Never again.
Flatpaks are pretty great. I think rpm-ostree is cool in a kinda similar way, so I’ve been looking into those distros.
Why flatpacks?
By running your applications in Flatpaks, you’re isolating them from the rest of your system. Essentially, Flatpaks save you from ruining your system because you installed 10 different copies of the wrong graphics drivers, while following random guides on the internet.
Running games in flatpaks ensures you’re using the latest drivers, so you dont really have to worry about it. It makes things SO much easier to manage from a linux gaming perspective.
That said, Flatpaks introduce a different kind of complexity to your system and there might be a bit of a learning curve before you feel confident troubleshooting any issues that come up, especially if you have no experience working in containerized environments.
Personally, I’m coming up on a year of daily gaming in Flatpaks and I’ve never had any issues.
Thanks!
Those last 2 lines really sum it up don’t they. If Windows was a family member you would disown them.
You can always dual-boot. Bazzite is a very stable Linux distro, which is optimized for gaming and basically gives you the same experience you would get on a Steam Deck. I highly recommend it.
Yeah, it’s really a question of time or money for me. Whichever I have enough of first will decide which option I go with first. I don’t expect I’ll be buying Windows again.
if you don’t play certain multiplayer games that use invasive anti-cheat software, then you really should give it a go! It’s gotten to the point where I first buy games and then worry about compatibility. The vast majorityic just work with minor tweaks at the most (setting some launch arguments usually)
I wonder what’s happening?
In general…
Microsoft is being pushy and has started to enjoy that far too much.
This started with things that could be argued as things that users shouldn’t control (like refusing to patch update… you can’t really refuse anymore).
It then pushed to things that is a little less defensible (you were asked to update from Windows 7 to Windows 10… but they really don’t want you to say no).
Once you are on the newer Windows 10 or 11, features just arrive that you have no say about because Microsoft determined it is better for you (you have AI, now AI on your taskbar, in fact you have an AI key on your taskbar, you will use Microsoft AI… the AI will just sift through your entire computer so that it can jump in front of your face to emphasize that you should use their AI!).
They points all have the same theme. Microsoft knows best, you will do what Microsoft wants, and Microsoft won’t really take no for answer but may let you say “bother me later”… maybe. Once you are really pissed off, your only option is to leave a Microsoft operating system… which Microsoft is pretty sure you can’t figure out on your own (more reasonably, you won’t care to put in the work to learn another way) so Microsoft OS it is! Microsoft is a tad worried that those people are starting to wander off to get Google Chromebooks or just use their Android smartphones… those take less effort and more people are opting for that…
Still, Microsoft is relatively sure that people will just put up with what they are doing. I’m pretty sure they will… until they won’t. Microsoft will be fine so long as they don’t cross the line into the “until they won’t” territory. Once they won’t put up with that nonsense anymore, it is far harder to woo them back to a Microsoft OS in the future.
Windows 11? Let’s see here…
Spyware/malware since that infamous Windows 7 update sending everything (including passwords) to Microsoft. Ads spread across the UI in W11. Simple features hidden or disabled. Bing Internet search results in the Start Menu that can’t be disabled unless you edit the registry. Search engine in the Start Menu cannot be changed. Numerous other previously simple settings changes that now require registry edits. Menu items gone, and others that still exist but inexplicable have been removed from the Start Menu search. Edge browser forced down your throat no matter what you set as the default browser. Upgrades that you can’t do at your convenience and forced restarts that happen even if you have open files that you’re editing. Long (sometimes really long) upgrade restart times. Forced Microsoft account use to install and use the OS & Internet access required to even install the OS. Absurdly inflexible hardware requirements that make no sense for most people. A taskbar that can’t be moved. Numerous programs and garbage spread through the OS that cannot be removed or disabled.
Besides that, what’s not to like?
Windows 11 sucks ass, but I really get tired of people saying you are forced to use an account. There are multiple ways to make a local account in 11 when doing initial setup. It just sucks that it makes most people think that they have to use an account
Regular users are absolutely forced to use a Microsoft account, no matter how tired you are. People shouldn’t have to be techies to keep their information private.
You don’t have to be a techie to see it. There’s a button right below the email text box saying “Add a user without a Microsoft account” (here’s another variation). Sure if you don’t care about privacy then you might not notice it, but it’s pretty hard to miss if you actually don’t want to use an email. Microsoft sucks but don’t spread misinformation.
A tomshardware.com article about how to bypass the account requirement from February of this year:
https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account
It requires numerous steps to bypass the account requirement or the creation of special installation media. I ran into this when installing W11 on a VM in January.
Perhaps the screenshots you posted were accurate at some point or in some situations, but you need to do better research before accusing others of spreading misinformation and stop spreading it yourself.
You left out the forced rounded corners.
Holy shit.
I fucking hate that rounded corner mania which is spreading all over UI design decisions almost everywhere you look.I can tolerate it with window borders, but if rounded corners hide content, e.g., of videos or images, it really irrationally infuriates me.
My screens are rectangular. Not rounded. I paid for those pixels, so fucking use them! ò_ó
