Time magazine called the ex-president’s plans ‘an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world’

Donald Trump has warned that Joe Biden and his family could face multiple criminal prosecutions once he leaves office unless the US supreme court awards Trump immunity in his own legal battles with the criminal justice system.

In a sweeping interview with Time magazine, Trump painted a startling picture of his second term, from how he would wield the justice department to hinting he may let states monitor pregnant women to enforce abortion laws.

Trump made the threat against the Biden family in an interview with Eric Cortellessa of Time, in which he shared the outlines of what the magazine called “an imperial presidency that would reshape America and its role in the world”.

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    He will just keep shouting as long as people are listening to him.

    Luckily those people are becoming fewer and fewer

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      There’s the small fact that Biden hasn’t committed any crimes and is not facing 90+ indictments.

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        I meant preemptively. If Trump is threatening to prosecute him and he has his appointed judges on his side, then they can try some shit. But if Biden, for whatever reason that I don’t think will happen, says that he has pardoned himself and his family, then all that goes away. So then Trump can point to Biden and say, “see? he did it and he’s not guilty! I’m doing it and I’m not guilty!” Which is a bit of a fever dream but it’d be some sort of strategy to cleanse his name in the eyes of the public while staining Biden’s. That was my line of thought, not that I think Biden is guilty of crimes.

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    Not he says Biden has “committed many crimes” but won’t say what those crimes are.

    That will give you an idea of what he’s going to come up with to charge Biden with. And he’ll make it stick too.

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      If Isreal is found guilty of genocide and they will, Bidens roll would be considered aiding in said genocide and would be guilty under international law.

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        Found guilty of genocide by whom? The ICC? The U.S. is not a signatory.

        And if you think Trump, of all people, would try Biden for being complicit in genocide, you need to pick different mushrooms.

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          Oh I’m sure he would try Biden, and then be confused when he’s tried for the same thing. He needs a handler to not shove his own foot in his mouth

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      That’s a common way of thinking in people with little to no ethics. They think everyone else is the same, and thus if you dig you’re surely going to find something.

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        That’s a problem with the Republican Party as a whole and why they’re constantly projecting. “We would have done that, so of course they did.”

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      But it’s important that the stuff he says gets documented. If for no other reason than if it all goes downhill, the alien anthropologists can figure out what the hell happened after we exterminate ourselves.

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          Except he can still run for and win the presidency from jail. Clearly still important for anyone who is amazingly still on the fence to know that he ja threatening to do scary shit.

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            I refuse to believe anyone is still on the fence. There are bigots who support Trump, and there are bigots who support Trump but don’t want to admit they are bigots out loud.

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              There are the people on the fence about voting for Biden. Given that it’s a two party system, that effectively means that some people are on the fence about whether they want to help Trump win or help him lose.

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                And I’m saying I think those people are liars. They want Trump to win, but they think admitting that out loud will make them look bad.

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              Refusing to believe reality doesn’t make reality go away.

              Ironically, refusing to believe reality is something trump supporters are infamous for.

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    Sure thing, just like he locked Clinton up. Why does anyone believe the stupid shit this idiot says?

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      The guy literally tried to overturn an election he lost. It wouldn’t surprise me if it’s just bluster, but at the same time it also wouldn’t surprise me that he is trying to become a tyrant.

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        Absolutely. As long as he keeps throwing these batshit fascist ideas out there, eventually one or more will gain traction and actually happen.

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        Being a tyrant takes energy he just doesn’t have. He’s a tired old man desperately trying to get elected to get out of his legal troubles.

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      It’s different now though. He didn’t have the power to lock her up. This time around, he’ll have Project 2025 behind him to allow him to do things like that.

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        He’s the exact same impotent blowhard. Not even his cronies will change that. He’ll lose interest the minute he’s elected, just like with Clinton.

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          He’ll lose interest the minute he’s elected, just like with Clinton.

          That’s not what happened. He directly ordered Bill Barr to prosecute Clinton and Bill Barr refused knowing there was no grounds. Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump doesn’t have the power to do this. He literally tried already tried and failed.

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            I know about the boogeyman. Not even Americans are going to sit down and watch this happen.

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              We have let every step leading up to our current stage happen without meaningful challenge. Why would this momentum stop now?

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                  Project 2025 is a plan already set in motion. It started when i was a child, and there really has been no real blow against its success.The setback of trump losing the election has not stopped the momentum. You can tell because the loss of rights is happening under the democrats watch. If you response is “well they really could not have stopped it” then the plan is working as intended

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                These idiots are not going to magically be in the majority over night. How many tough guys write manifestos like that every day? Sorry I’m not scared by some big words by Charlie Kirk.

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          Yeah, I kind of always assumed that there were some skeletons in Hillary’s closet, but if Trump’s AGs didn’t even find anything that warranted an investigation…

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          He still doesn’t have an actual legal case against the Bindens either, despite a LOT of Russian support trying to falsify something.

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            He won’t need any. Can just “trump” up some charges (pun not intended). He’ll be a dictator, it won’t matter. He could shoot them on 5th Ave. and no one would say a thing

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              Stop with the nonsense that Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump has already completely enshitified the country. It wouldn’t work because (1) the judge would throw out the case, and (2) no grand jury would vote to proceed. That is why Bill Barr refused Treason Trump’s order to prosecute Hillary Clinton.

              Trump has already tried this and failed.

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    That headline reads like Trump speak. Needs em-dashes or restructuring into something more cohere t.

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    If Trump doesn’t get immunity he’s going to die in military barracks in Georgia.

    SCotUS will have 0 say in that.

    • Is this true?

      I thought it just didn’t matter anymore because they’d already delayed long enough that nothing important would be decided before the election anyway.

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    It’s crazy that this is even a political talking point. I support Biden in this election but I very much want him prosecuted if they have clear evidence of a serious crime he committee.

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    “If you give me immunity for my crimes, I’ll give you immunity for your crimes. Deal?”
    “I haven’t committed any crimes.”
    “…”

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        You can disapprove of the actions but supporting an allied nation with money or weapon sales is squarely a presidential act, nobody thinks presidents should personally be held criminally liable for their presidential duties.

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        You know Trump is the one who moved the embassy to Jerusalem which is ultimately the match that lit the keg.

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          Right? These Russian or right-wing grifters would be fawning over support for Israel and Bibi’s genocide if it was tRump in there right now. Fuck, the dude would probably have sent US troops to aid in ground offensives alongside the IDF.

          It’s tiresome, and I just want this collective nightmare for most, and wet dreams for others, to be over. The constant goal-post dodgeball game is beyond overplayed at this point. Anyone who still conflates what Biden is doing with regards to Israel and what tRump would do in the same position, are beyond help at this point, IMO. tRump supporters have, for nearly a decade now, refused to accept reality as it exists, and instead are perfectly content with tRump so long as he is hurting the right people. They simply cannot distance their ideology from their politics so they double-down.

          This is why MAGA constantly thinks all those voting for Biden and the Democratic party are doing so because they are loyal to Biden and the party. Most of us voting for Biden are not loyal at all to the Democrats or Biden. We vote for whomever will move the needle toward the kind of world we want to live in. tRump absolutely will do the up opposite, we already know that from the first circus of an administration.

          Whatever keeps that traitor out of positions of power is a good thing for this country, it’s people, and the world. tRump is a weak-man’s version of a strong-man. He deserves no less than jail time.

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        Yeah almost like “genocide Joe” is an inane nickname mischaracterizing the situation or something.

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            Let’s reframe this a little bit.

            Would you agree to the nuance that a 1940s US nazi sympathizer, perhaps even one that sent them funds, isn’t as bad as the nazi soldiers or their commanders themselves? Or is that also equivalent in your eyes?

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              Imo it’s as bad, however, it’s like trump et al are going to be super nazis in all this. So if I COULD vote for Biden he is the absolute no brainer, because trump will be a million times worse.

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        Biden has not committed any crimes. Don’t conflate what Bibi is doing with what Joe is doing. They are not the same person.

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        What would the reaction have been had he denied aid to Israel? The answer is fuck off, you made your bed.

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          His crucial role in support and push for the Iraq War which resulted in the estimated death of 1 million Iraqis and many american troops? Biden has been a war criminal and corrupt way before the palestine issue. You made your bed when you decided to give loyalty to these corrupt criminals. You’re the reason why we have shot candidates and why we have corrupt people in power. Gtfo

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            I don’t like that or anything else like it, including Israel, but I know the facts and the realpolitik and it was: rock -> Biden <- hard place. Israel was a big mistake by the USA and UK and as such they’re both attached by a un-severable umbilical. Nobody else would’ve acted any differently.

            My loyalty lies nowhere near Biden’s government - I’m not even from the US, I’m British - I’m just realistic about the breaks. Carry on with the principled stand and see what kind of sainthood it grants you. If you’re voting against Biden rather than opposed to Trump then you really will have a shit sandwich; your bed won’t be made at all, you’ll be sleeping rough.

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            give loyalty

            See, this is where we differ. I am not loyal to Biden. I would support someone else in a heartbeat, have supported others instead of him.

            I am not loyal to him, nor the Democratic party. I am, however, strongly against Trump and practically everything he does and stands for. To that end, I have to do what I can to see that he not be in a position of power again. To that end, I will vote against him, even if that means a. Vote for Biden.

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              Trump is corrupt but so is supporting a God damn genocide. Trump did say to finish up but he also added “you need to get peace” so thats out of context

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            LOL - “crucial role”.

            https://www.factcheck.org/2019/09/bidens-record-on-iraq-war/

            “Biden was a consistent critic of the way the Bush administration handled the war: Its failure to exhaust diplomatic solutions, its failure to enlist a more robust group of allies for the war effort, and the lack of a plan for reconstruction of Iraq. Some of his comments proved to be quite prescient, including his warnings about the likely higher-than-expected cost and length of the war, and the complexity of “winning the peace” once Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein’s regime was toppled.”

            “I will vote for this because we should be compelling Iraq to make good on its obligations to the United Nations,” Biden said. “Because while Iraq’s illegal weapons of mass destruction program do not — do not — pose an imminent threat to our national security, in my view, they will, if left unfettered. And because a strong vote in Congress, as I said, increases the prospect for a tough, new U.N. resolution on weapons of mass destruction, it is likely to get weapons inspectors in, which, in turn, decreases the prospects of war, in my view."

            You really need to stop blaming Biden for the actions of other people.

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      Supposedly, there’s the second ammendment. Unfortunately, the people who are 2A advocates are nearly 1-1 with Trump supporters. So no.

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      Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump once ordered Bill Barr to prosecute Hillary Clinton. Barr refused because there was no grounds to prosecute. And Barr didn’t necessarily refuse because it was the wrong thing to do, he knew that it wouldn’t go anywhere because you cannot prosecute anybody without a legitimate reason. The judge would have thrown out the case, and no grand jury would have voted to proceed.

  • So… Trump wants immunity in order NOT to go to Jail, but if he doesn’t and goes to jail, how will he prosecute Biden? Also, if he gets immunity and somehow becomes president, how is he going to prosecute Biden if Biden also has immunity?

    The mental gymnastics he sells his followers would almost qualify as an Olympic event.

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      I keep trying to get people to understand that he’s not smart, he’s just loud and rich… possibly not even both, and if not both, definitely just loud.

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    The implication, well one of many, is that the President is the one charging Trump with these crimes. He’s being charged for state crimes, by the various states AGs, in accordance to their laws. He’s also being sued civilly by people he’s defrauded, sexually assaulted, or defamed.

    The current president and current administration has had no input in any of this.

    The federal cases he has stem from his “mishandling” of classified documents after he was out of office. This case is being handled by a special prosecutor who is insulated from the executive and bound by laws, procedure, legal ethics, etc to act independently from the administration.

    So, at the end of the day it’s just more absolute horse shit from Trump and more evidence he should never be on the ballot.

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      It’s the persecution complex that attracts his followers. He must be a danger to the deep state of he’s been accused of breaking so many laws!

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    Funny to imagine how this story gets recorded and retold in history books. What a fool who was elected by fools. An honest low point for America.