Honda giving a whole new meaning to crotch rocket.
Oh wait, it’s an actual rocket!I wanna buy one and see what it can do with an old 4 cylinder VTEC out of a Civic Si.
And Hyundai is making hydrogen powered tanks, what a world. I wonder if hydrogen fuels poses any unique risks as compared to petrol.
I wonder if hydrogen fuels poses any unique risks as compared to petrol.
It’s highly explosive.
Something something hindenberg…
Well, different. You’d have highly compressed hydrogen in a cylindrical pressure vessel.
The Hindenburg just burned, actually it was mostly its highly flammable paint that caught fire. When a pressure vessel is ruptured, it explodes in a big way, or it quickly removes itself from the vehicle like a mini rocket.
Is petrol not?
In different ways. For example, it’s very rare for a car to explode in a collision, other than in movies.
One of the reasons that make hydrogen difficult to work with in this sense is that hydrogen (H₂) molecules are so small that they can permeate most materials, such as steel. Then it can get somewhat easily to wherever there is a spark, and chaos ensues. Annoyingly you don’t even need 100% Hydrogen for that to happen, as it can ignite with a concentration of just 4%.
After we stopped using Hydrogen mostly as a consequence of Hindenburg’s accident, it’s taken years to perfect hydrogen fuel cells to a safety standard that can be used in cars. As far as I know, its use has been limited to rockets/space propulsion otherwise (where you can just throw millions at the problem to make it safer).
(H₂) molecules are so small that they can permeate most materials, such as steel
Okay, I knew from texts books that H2 is small but I never thought of the real-life consequences of it being so small. Then theoretically, Helium should also be “leaky”, right?
Yep, helium is even worse for leaking! It’s actually the smallest noble gas and can escape through tiny pores that even hydrogen can’t fit through. Thats why helium balloons deflate faster than air balloons - the atoms literally seep through the balloon material.
How does Helium fit through places that Hydrogen can’t even though its bigger? Is it because Hydrogen would react with things along the way while Helium won’t?
I’m also curious, I thought hydrogen was the worst in this regard.
I like your theory on hydrogen reacting as it moves through materials.
I suspect it’s because the hydrogen molecules are bigger than a single helium atom, which doesn’t form molecules (since it’s a noble gas).
So the hydrogen molecule only seeps through if it’s oriented right (since the hydrogen molecule is a stick-shaped molecule).
This is a feature, not a bug.
It’s highly explosive
That’s … why i’m here
I mean so are the shells tank fire. If you are hit hard enough to hit the fuel cell in a tank…you have other problems.
Explosion wise or climate wise?
I guess both? I know climate wise the manufacture of those things cannot be climate friendly.
any sources?
For the production of the tank itself or the likelihood of environmental impact?
i guess both?
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At the end of the day, making EV cars isn’t either unfortunately…but in the grand scheme of things. Both hydrogen and EV cars are more environmentally friendly than gas powered cars.
Manufacturing of any kind always causes an environmental impact. This is the way of things.
The one thing we can’t get that would mitigate the environmental costs of making stuff, is if stuff was built to last…
Well, they’re DEVELOPING them. They’re not MAKING them yet.
Flying Honda Accord confirmed.
Since when is Honda a rocket company? This is literally the first im hearing about this. They kept this quiet for a while, and im not sure why.
It’s new. Honda Space Development Division.
Honda R&D to Conduct Testing with Sierra Space and Tec-Masters on the International Space Station | Honda Global Corporate Website https://share.google/3CwIsYUh8eWsohht4
A lot of the global conglomerate Asian based companies do R&D across many fields, rather than just the product they’re most know for. Toshiba makes nuclear reactors! Samsung has phones and sewing machines and microchips… and nuclear reactors research.
Good for them, Asia is getting their rocket programs in order while the U.S. tries their best to destroy ours. Man i wish I could move.
Well they have been making crotch rockets for a long time.
Honda is cool they build robotics and the best motorbikes in the world per cost
other motorbike, mix up at the factory, enjoy your rocket
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rather the opposite i’d say … ready for take-off.
I hope they crush SpaceX one day.
By landing on them.
This is the first I have heard they were doing this. Makes spacex accomplishments less impressive. Fuck elon
well Honda did this a decade later so there still is some achievement spacex has done 🤷
I imagine they poached a lot of Spacex engineers by simply telling them “we won’t make you work ungodly hours, nor will we subject you to a narcissistic manchild with no engineering education dropping in on your meetings and trying to tell you how to do your job”
In Japan?
“… it’ll be the same, but it’s a huge honor to work on this project in our company.”
And we reward you for this huge honour with the worst working conditions you can imagine. You’ll live at your desk.
Tbf doesn’t he have a computer science degree? Which is a type of engineering degree?
Computer science is more of a math degree than anything else
I bet they poached 0-3 engineers.
You left out the “but you have to learn Japanese and move to Japan” part of the job pitch. That makes it a harder sell for most people.
You do realize it’s Japan right? China, Japan, Korea all have work life balance issues.i wouldn’t want to work 996 or 007 lol
We would like to contact you for job offer in the same role as your current.
We cant pay you as much per hour but we can give you more hours to match it.
“Promise me i wont ever have to deal with Musk and i am in”
They had the same at SpaceX
Not saying they don’t. Just saying the “ungodly hours” statement may not apply
Probably still a less insane megalomaniac for a boss at least though.
It’s called “being hardcore”
As much as it’s true, not all company are doing this. There are plenty of good East Asian company with good work life balance, especially newer company that already recognize the issue.
Well, Honda is actually a competent company.
Eh, it’s just a start of development. It only goes 300 meters. Blue Origin goes higher, but even they aren’t in orbit.
Japan also has some odd limitations on their rockets as part of their self defense only constitution. They don’t build a rocket that could potentially be used to strike mainland Asia.
Also, if you look at the pictures, it’s not a very big rocket.
Like kei cars … Kei rockets!!!
Hey, hey, it’s average.
I know you’re likely referring to New Shepard but Blue Origin did make it to orbit with New Glenn
Something something the first 300 meters are the hardest…
The Estes Corporation makes rockets that will do 600 meters.
It’s great that Honda is doing this. We really need other companies in this area, because SpaceX is dominating it. Even if Elon weren’t a walking disaster, we don’t want one company so badly outclassing everyone else.
The issue is not going up, it’s going over. If we only cared about the private sector getting people into space, that happened on a fully reusable vehicle twenty years ago.
The problem is getting things to stay in space. Not trying to Elon-stan here, but getting a rocket into orbit is many fold more difficult than just getting into space.
Yeah, if by “going over”, you mean accelerating in the horizontal direction, then you’re right.
Just to illustrate this: Consider we want to put 1 kg of mass into orbit.
First, we have to raise it by 100 km. That requires 1e6 J = 1 MJ of energy (formula is m*g*h).
Then, we have to accelerate it sideways, to a speed of 8 km/s. The energy to do that is 32 MJ (formula is ½*m*v²).
So, most of the energy (97%) is actually in the sideways movement.
Hell yes. Any competition to musk is very much needed.
Go Honda.
You have it the wrong way round. SpaceX’s accomplishments are impressive despite Elon.
To be fair, they must’ve learned from the recent spacex accomplishments.
probably
no one in the private sector was gonna take that kind of risk for a while and then SpaceX took the gamble, won and now tons of players see vertical landing of rockets works so their all looking into it.
How does it make spaceX’s accomplishments less impressive? SpaceX pioneered it. Space X did it first, with a significantly bigger rocket and at a significantly higher altitude. Honda no doubt achieved this by looking at what spacex did and how they did it and copying it.
This actually makes spaceX’s accomplishments look even more impressive.
Up and down isn’t a hard problem in the grand scheme of things. It’s expensive and doesn’t offer much benefit which is why people generally haven’t bothered.
Going up and over at orbital velocities and coming back is the hard part, and none of these new spaces companies have done that successfully yet, and SpaceX has now done it with 2 vehicles and reused them both.
New Glenn from Blue Orgin might be the first after SpaceX but it blew up coming back on their first attempt, but it’s been designed to be orbital and reusable
Um, no it doesn’t… At all…
This is a first step landing test, not even suborbital, it flew to a height of 300 meters. This is the point that SpaceX was at in 2011 with their grasshopper rocket.
SpaceX is regularly landing orbital hardware and working on a fully reusable rocket with a greater lifting capacity than anything else ever. It’s not really the same…
But fuck Elon, no argument there.
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An alternative to anything related to Elon would be great.
An alternative to.space junk clogging up the sky would indeed be nice.
Well this wouldn’t be that. It would be a competitor to space junk, so increase the number of satellites in orbit by say 25%.
It sounds like he’s asking for more space junk.
What the F is every corporation’s boner with rockets? 🚀
Reusable rockets, in particular.
Imagine having a reusable car in a world where they were all disposable.
Because the last stage of existence on this planet. Will be febel plans to try and colonize other planets. Because our planet will start to poison us as a defensive mechanism. All of these Corporations need a plan to get off planet.
Yes, let spend money to fuck up other planets as well instead of saving this one. /s
Imo it’s a good thing tho. Spreading our civilization across multiple planets is the only way to guarantee long long term success. Obviously we should also fix the climate change issue (and many others). But still, being spread across the solar system would give our species redundancy. An extinction event on earth like a large meteor strike would no longer be the end.
Well good thing it will never happen. ☺️
Imagine trying to undo thousands and thousands of years of evolution surrounding…. Earth’s gravity.
But you go ahead and fantasize about us destroying all the planets in the universe. After all; we’re the only thing destroying ours.
Feeble? But I think you meant futile? Idk.
It would take a lot to make Mars more habitable than Earth. This isn’t about colonisation this is simply that it’s cool to build rockets.
Yeah, it’s easier to terraform … Planet Earth!
It’s the only planet we can terraform (As in repairing some of the damage we’ve done), we are nowhere near able to terraform Mars, not even theoretically and disregarding cost.
Maybe in a century we can. But only maybe.Hypothetically, we could terraform Venus. At the very least, it shares a lot of the issues that we’re trying to fix on Earth, just dialled up to 11 - its main problems are that it’s way too hot, the atmosphere has way too much carbon in it (96.5% vs Earth’s 0.04%), and the atmosphere has way too much sulfur (0.015% vs Earth’s 0.00000002%, making the atmosphere highly acidic). So if for example scientists had an idea for causing a chain reaction in a planetary atmosphere that rapidly sequestered all atmospheric carbon but were worried about unknown strength or side effects, instead of testing it on Earth where it could kill us all, they could test it on Venus where any failures would have no serious consequences. And if it worked, not only would it mean that we fix climate change on Earth but we partially terraform Venus into the bargain.
Venus has roughly similar gravity to Earth and has a ferrous core which could hypothetically be turned molten (and therefore ferromagnetic) to provide the same kind of magnetosphere that Earth’s core does. Mars has neither of these things and would therefore never be able to sustain human life naturally - Venus potentially could. On Mars, the atmosphere is just one of many obstacles. On Venus it’s THE obstacle. Solve the atmosphere, you solve Venus.
Hypothetically, we could terraform Venus.
Mars is the best option we have, which is why I mentioned that. Venus already has selfenforcing runaway global warming, and we can’t even land a probe there, because the environment is extremely hostile.
Mars is by far the easier option.
The planet isn’t doing anything, we are poisoning ourselves. Or as lemmy puts it “big evil corporations (which we support everyday because it’s cheaper than buying local/sustainable) are poisoning us”.
Idk, looks more like Hitachi
Not just for hard drives anymore.
What an ad. This is the second greatest YT video ever made.
Genuinely curious: how many explosions before the successful test?
Apparently they got it right on the first try.
Now that’s the real win.
Honda built a rocket
Me: of course they did.
They launched the rocket
Me: naturally.
They landed the rocket.
Me: on the first try?
