Curious from people who follow its development closely.
- What protocol are about to be finally implemented?
- Which ones are still a struggle?
- How many serious protocols are there missing?
Most comments have been positive, so I’m gonna list all my issues. Using endeavours with KDE 6.2 and the AUR explicit sync patch, 5800 ryzen CPU and 3080 NVIDIA GPU.
The discord xwayland app can’t share screen, and the waycord app that fake chromiums the web interface that let’s you share screen has the sound bug out sometimes with large sound spikes. So if I want to share the screen I have to open the second app and then close it fast to minimize the chances I annoy my friends.
Window positioning. It almost seems a flagship Wayland issue. I would love if apps remembered on which screen and position I left them the next time I open them, telegram opens in the middle of the primary monitor, and I have to drag it to the right of the secondary one every time I switch on the PC.
Shutting down in any way that is not opening the console and typing reboot or “shutdown now” takes way way longer and sometimes bugs out. This might not be a Wayland issue, but a KDE one.
The tdrop program that let’s you interact with any terminal as if it were a dropdown terminal doesn’t work in Wayland, and it just isn’t the same to open a terminal in the normal way, is lame. Foot is a good terminal for sure but I want the dropdown effect.
I can’t think of anything else right now, most explicit sync issues I had were fixed with the AUR patch, so of anyone has those issues wait until the real patch comes around and they will get fixed. It was quite annoying without the patch though, some programs glitched visually hard and several games were unplayable due to the heavy ghosting (dark souls 2 and dragon’s dogma 2, for example). I’ll add to this comment if I remember anything else. Even if the issue was recently fixed it’s good to have a list of stuff so that people can check it out and confirm that it’s fixed, for posteriority.
The tdrop program that let’s you interact with any terminal as if it were a dropdown terminal doesn’t work in Wayland, and it just isn’t the same to open a terminal in the normal way, is lame. Foot is a good terminal for sure but I want the dropdown effect.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Yakuake
It’s its own terminal but I find it to be pretty good and it works with Wayland.
You mean Plasma 6.0.2, not 6.2 - that will be released in a year.
Use X11 to Wayland Video bridge to get screen sharing working with any X11 app that can’t talk to desktop-portal/PipeWire (such as Discord)
What’s worth noting is that applications, as of now can’t affect window positioning in any way. It’s all about how compositor (kwin_wayland in this case) is placing them. Personally I don’t care that much because I’ve got shortcuts to quickly move windows between screens or desktops. You might consider looking at window rules - they’re pretty neat on KDE.
Shutting down? What???
On the tdrop thing, I wouldn’t expect it to be possible in near future, but how about Yakuake?
Yeah, 6.0.2, the version available in the arch repos.
I’ll check the video bridge, thanks! – Update on this, apparently I was already using it since it ships by default with KDE, it seems to be a discord bug. Weirdly enough, going back to an older flatpak version (0.0.42) fixed the issue. I’ll have to check the updates to see if they fix it.
Thanks on the window rules mention too. – Update on this, you are a saint. I added a rule for the telegram window in KDE so that it remembers its position, and it simply works. https://imgur.com/a/zrvbRPI
Yeah, idk, when I try to use the GUI it takes way longer than the CLI command somehow, and sometimes it blocks itself. It must be something related to some programming hanging itself and the system trying to wait until it stops, but I can’t be bothered, it’s way faster to open a terminal and just typing the command or opening KDE connect and pressing the “shutdown now” shortcut. Not a Wayland issue though.
I did use yakuake in the past but call it stupid brain, but once I read that alacritty was faster and I customized it to my liking, and then checking that foot was a little bit faster, I can’t go back. It’s stupid, I know that most of the use I give the terminal is actually spent on the commands themselves and that I can give transparency and remove window borders in yakuake, I’m just pissy that my fancy combo stopped working.
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is Debian shipping with it default yet?
Debian Gnome has had it as default since 2019.
while Debian is still deciding if they ship with Wayland by default or not, Fedora and KDE are planning to already completely drop x11 for their next release (they ship Wayland by default)
For Fedora I’m not surprised, but KDE is considering dropping X11 support already?
Yes, because Plasma 6 is so flawless on Wayland. /s
Fedora should drop every other DE except KDE. That would really free up some resources.
It would also uncheck a lot of accessibility requirements that RHEL in particular needs.
I was kidding about Fedora but Red Hat can actually afford to do that. They’re not a generalist distro, they can and should offer their customers a very specific desktop stack.
Part of the reason red hat uses gnome is because it is the only desktop that meets many accessibility requirements. It would be a huge engineering effort to bring any other desktop up to par in that regard. Most graphical Linux software is really far behind in accessibility.
Fedora 40 with kde plasma 6 dropped a day or two ago, and they did remove x11, you have to get it from the repo in case you want it, otherwise, it only comes and is planned for wayland, which I believe is great, for once it does seem like the year of wayland
Been working great for me for ~1 year on my desktop and closer to 2-3 on my laptop.
The only thing missing for me was Barrier for input sharing, which libei is supposed to fix. I ended up going for a hardware solution as Barrier is jank af anyway.
Only thing not working for me is HDR (should be fixed in Plasma 6.1), not like you could do HDR on Xorg anyway. Also no HDMI 2.1 but that’s because fuck the HDMI Forum.
Performance-wise, just blows away Xorg in every metric, and explicit sync should make that even better.
What hardware solution did you go with?
A bigger desk so I can just roll the chair a few inches to switch to the work laptop.
My original plan was a keyboard/mouse only KVM, probably a Teensy or a RPi or something of the sorts. But I got lazy as the extra desk space has just made it a non-issue for me. I also have a Logitech mouse that can switch between devices, so if I was going to really need that setup I’d probably just get the matching keyboard.
Oh so a Plasma update broke HDR. I was wondering what happened when HDR went from looking primo to looking washed out and ugly. I’ll just wait patiently on SDR. :)
Were you using patched KWin or something? Because experimental HDR support is supposed to be one of the big features for 6.0, so unless it broke in 6.0.3 or something, you shouldn’t have had an update to break HDR in the first place because it wasn’t supported.
No just whatever came from the Arch repo. I’m not entirely sure what version I’m on right now, but it’s been broken for me for maybe 2-3 weeks. It’s not the biggest deal and I’m used to unimportant features like that occasionally breaking.
Well that’s a weird one then. It got released February 38th and took a couple days for Arch to get it. I had the washed out colors too but I didn’t have any HDR before that. That’s ~6 weeks ago so yeah it’s probably 6.0.3, the last that came out about that 2-3 weeks ago. I guess you were one of the lucky ones it worked and then broke! With a bit of luck it’ll be fixed for good on 6.1.
Any chance it’s hardware dependent? First I’m hearing of this and I just toggled it off and on to be sure I wasn’t seeing things - mine is definitely working. I’m all-Intel FWIW.
It works for most people but there’s some issues with some monitors where the color saturation doesn’t work well and result in washed out colors compared to SDR.
It will also output RGB into YUV buffers if you have a display that only supports YUV colorspaces, so you end up with a very green and reddish purpleish screen.
Initial HDR support was introduced in 6.0, and 6.1 is supposed to bring some fixes for the washed up colors. I haven’t found a bug for the YUV stuff and didn’t have time to do a proper bug report.
Ah makes sense, thanks for the additional info!
Could be that the graphics card is outputting an HDR signal (Rec. 2020 color space), but the monitor is in SDR mode. That would result in desaturated colors.
I wish it were that simple, but no. The monitor enables HDR automatically when being fed an HDR signal. I can confirm that HDR is enabled on both ends and it still ends up washed out, whereas before it was perfectly fine. :(
Just waiting on kde 6.1 for remote input so input leap can work
HDR is only experimental on gnome and kde with weston not having an implementation.
I think 10 bit color depth hasn’t even been worked on much.
VRR I think is about finished although X11 has it too.
And the Nvidia wayland support is slowly improving although still full of bugs and stability issues.
10 bit color is supported in wlroots(sway) and hyprland, can’t speak for other desktops.
VRR on X11 doesn’t work with multi screen setup, so it might be broken for a lot of people
With explicit the protocol and the Nvidia patch for it next July, most Nvidia problems will be solved
I’d love to find an alternative to xdotool’s auto type feature (or ClickPaste from Windows).
There is
wtypebut unfortunately it doesn’t work in KDE nor GNOME because neither of them support the right protocol. I’ve run into the “<DE> hasn’t implemented $PROTOCOL” a few times in the past and it’s certainly a bit annoying.Aside from when that comes up, I don’t really have any complaints. A tool we used for work was never going to be fully functional on Wayland because of its dependence on Xinerama (I think) but thankfully we’ve moved away from it.
I like ydotool, uses a systemd user service, but fulfills my needs of KB shortcuts to paste text into vnc sessions
I can’t run xscreensaver in wayland :(
The real problem right here
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A little out of date. But still the best source I know of 👍
I think that’s incorrect: https://github.com/mpsq/arewewaylandyet/commits/master/
It’s what the site says at the buttom, so that’s when it was last generated.
Yeah that looks correct
What do you think you’re doing by putting that link in every comment? Lemmy doesn’t have a terms of service that assigns a license to your text anyways. So if you just say nothing you own your comment and they can’t use it. If they cared about the licence they would already not be able to use it.
I’ve been using it for my daily driver for work and casual gaming with no issues for 4 months now (Garuda Linux)
With Windows getting sleazier and sleazier, I was really hoping Linux would be in a less janky place than it was when I tried to main it a decade ago.
Lemmy has made it clear that it isn’t.
Lmao what
This is clearly bait
Drivers are still a shit show. The drivers in question have changed, but there’s still extremely common hardware with poor support. I know this is the hardware vendors fault but that doesn’t change my experience as a user – I need my hardware to work.
It’s still extremely fragmented. Yes, this is often a good thing because it let’s you pick the features you want but I’m not interested in comparing and configuring 14 different tiling window managers.
It’s still fragile outside of the terminal. I constantly see posts and comments about peoples OS becoming unbootable or show stopping issues they just can’t fix without hopping to another distro or nuking their install from orbit. The 18th most popular distro seems to be popular simply because it makes it easy to roll back fucked updates or sidegrades.
This stuff might be fine for people who love to tinker but I can’t afford to have my PC shit the bed when I need it for work and I’m not interested in having “chill and play some games” involuntarily replaced with “fix the bootloader”.
And I can’t help but feel like the “anybody who isn’t sucking off Linux must be bait” mentality ensures this is a pit the scene will never escape from.
There’s absolutely no chance you haven’t seen the posts describing these problems. You’re commenting on one right now
More bait.
I have to do far more tinkering with Windows to make it usable than I do with Linux. With Linux I typically install it and then change one or two keyboard shortcuts (not even necessary, just a preference).
I wish Windows was as easy. I feel like in windows you always have to go onto powershell or the registry to fix something. Why can’t it just work?
And don’t get me started on how often you have to nuke your install when you run into issues (which, since this is windows we’re talking about, is often).
The drivers are awful and you have to search them all out individually rather than all just being automatically included.
Installing software is a complicated minefield.
I wonder if Windows will ever be as usable as Linux is. Because right now it’s not improving.
Whatever helps you cope.
You’re the one coping lmao. Look if you want to spend more time diagnosing issues with your PC than using it, then Windows is a fantastic choice and I’m happy for you.
I guess that 4% market share is because it’s just so good. The Linux community couldn’t even pull that off without a multi-billion dollar corporation helping them with software compatibility and stability.
Feel free to keep making fun of Windows though – I haven’t made an operating system part of my personality so it doesn’t upset me in the slightest.
@PoliticalAgitator @TheGrandNagus Well, it’s mostly because Linux is way newer to the computer scene than microsoft’s OS for instance. When #linux started out, computers using msdos were already being shipped for over a decade, and so they were the de facto standard, and it takes time for people to switch to a better product if they are used to another one and have the ecosystem keeps them in (that’s the main reason people keep buying overpriced apple products)
4%? Linux has 6.3%+ on the desktop. Then there’s 6.5% unknown which likely includes a disproportionately high amount Linux systems too, what with Linux users being a lot more likely to obfuscate system information from trackers.
Then on mobile, Linux has 72%.
And Windows is popular because it came first and they have a monopoly. Once you have a monopoly, it’s easy to keep. Is Comcast so popular because it’s good, or is it because it’s the only real choice for a load of people?
Well you clearly have made your OS part of your personality, because here you are vehemently defending it and shitting on other OSes.
I don’t really care. If you somehow enjoy using Windows, despite the myriad of issues, then cool beans. Use it. I’m not really sure why you’re so insecure about it that you need to come here and tell us, though.
I’m using it on Plasma 6 with AMD graphics and so far it’s going good. When I had Nvidia I had issues with electron based applications. Games have been running pretty good regardless of the GPU, though Forza horizon 5 wouldn’t launch under Nvidia for some reason.
Did you have electron/chrome applications flicker? I’ve been dealing with that since switching to Nvidia (I didn’t want to but Plex only supports GPU encoding on Linux with Nvidia).
Yes, that was the exact issue.
What distro out of curiosity been running a 3070 on nixos with hyprland/plasma6 and haven’t had any issues
Arch with Plasma
Will probably be fixed with driver 555 next month (explicit sync support).
Barrier
I miss being able to just use one mouse and keyboard for everything
On KDE Plasma, my only outstanding bug is that the “window shade” button on my window controls is broken. Too bad since I use that feature a lot.
On GNOME everything seems to work as far as I can tell. It’s pretty smooth!
The window shade problem is keeping me from Wayland. AFAIU there’s currently no commitment to ever fix it on Wayland, it’s only a maybe.
For anyone interested, it’s being tracked here.
I remember a showstopper a while back being that you can’t resize the title bar while shaded. That’s already the current behavior on x11, so I would be fine with that caveat continuing if it meant wayland support.
