Curious from people who follow its development closely.
- What protocol are about to be finally implemented?
- Which ones are still a struggle?
- How many serious protocols are there missing?
wayland doesn’t support diagonal monitors
yeah it does it has from the start.
is there compositor support? is there a way to get kde to rotate my monitor to a specific degree via cli?
keep in mind I have no idea if there are real use cases for diagonal monitors, I just duct taped an accelerometer to the back of my monitor and can only get it to rotate in 90 degree increments with kscreendoctor and thought it would be funny if the picture was just always upright
If I remember correctly, the rotation in smaller degree increments could be used to correct some distortions on some really old CRTs that have scan lines that are skewed diagonally.
I’ve been using it for my daily driver for work and casual gaming with no issues for 4 months now (Garuda Linux)
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is Debian shipping with it default yet?
while Debian is still deciding if they ship with Wayland by default or not, Fedora and KDE are planning to already completely drop x11 for their next release (they ship Wayland by default)
For Fedora I’m not surprised, but KDE is considering dropping X11 support already?
Yes, because Plasma 6 is so flawless on Wayland. /s
Fedora 40 with kde plasma 6 dropped a day or two ago, and they did remove x11, you have to get it from the repo in case you want it, otherwise, it only comes and is planned for wayland, which I believe is great, for once it does seem like the year of wayland
Fedora should drop every other DE except KDE. That would really free up some resources.
It would also uncheck a lot of accessibility requirements that RHEL in particular needs.
I was kidding about Fedora but Red Hat can actually afford to do that. They’re not a generalist distro, they can and should offer their customers a very specific desktop stack.
Part of the reason red hat uses gnome is because it is the only desktop that meets many accessibility requirements. It would be a huge engineering effort to bring any other desktop up to par in that regard. Most graphical Linux software is really far behind in accessibility.
Debian Gnome has had it as default since 2019.
Been working great for me for ~1 year on my desktop and closer to 2-3 on my laptop.
The only thing missing for me was Barrier for input sharing, which libei is supposed to fix. I ended up going for a hardware solution as Barrier is jank af anyway.
Only thing not working for me is HDR (should be fixed in Plasma 6.1), not like you could do HDR on Xorg anyway. Also no HDMI 2.1 but that’s because fuck the HDMI Forum.
Performance-wise, just blows away Xorg in every metric, and explicit sync should make that even better.
What hardware solution did you go with?
A bigger desk so I can just roll the chair a few inches to switch to the work laptop.
My original plan was a keyboard/mouse only KVM, probably a Teensy or a RPi or something of the sorts. But I got lazy as the extra desk space has just made it a non-issue for me. I also have a Logitech mouse that can switch between devices, so if I was going to really need that setup I’d probably just get the matching keyboard.
Oh so a Plasma update broke HDR. I was wondering what happened when HDR went from looking primo to looking washed out and ugly. I’ll just wait patiently on SDR. :)
Could be that the graphics card is outputting an HDR signal (Rec. 2020 color space), but the monitor is in SDR mode. That would result in desaturated colors.
I wish it were that simple, but no. The monitor enables HDR automatically when being fed an HDR signal. I can confirm that HDR is enabled on both ends and it still ends up washed out, whereas before it was perfectly fine. :(
Were you using patched KWin or something? Because experimental HDR support is supposed to be one of the big features for 6.0, so unless it broke in 6.0.3 or something, you shouldn’t have had an update to break HDR in the first place because it wasn’t supported.
No just whatever came from the Arch repo. I’m not entirely sure what version I’m on right now, but it’s been broken for me for maybe 2-3 weeks. It’s not the biggest deal and I’m used to unimportant features like that occasionally breaking.
Well that’s a weird one then. It got released February 38th and took a couple days for Arch to get it. I had the washed out colors too but I didn’t have any HDR before that. That’s ~6 weeks ago so yeah it’s probably 6.0.3, the last that came out about that 2-3 weeks ago. I guess you were one of the lucky ones it worked and then broke! With a bit of luck it’ll be fixed for good on 6.1.
Any chance it’s hardware dependent? First I’m hearing of this and I just toggled it off and on to be sure I wasn’t seeing things - mine is definitely working. I’m all-Intel FWIW.
It works for most people but there’s some issues with some monitors where the color saturation doesn’t work well and result in washed out colors compared to SDR.
It will also output RGB into YUV buffers if you have a display that only supports YUV colorspaces, so you end up with a very green and reddish purpleish screen.
Initial HDR support was introduced in 6.0, and 6.1 is supposed to bring some fixes for the washed up colors. I haven’t found a bug for the YUV stuff and didn’t have time to do a proper bug report.
Ah makes sense, thanks for the additional info!
Just waiting on kde 6.1 for remote input so input leap can work
I use Hyprland daily and it works great The only issue I have is that PhpStorm has some minor issues. Being a Java app, it runs via XWayland. It mostly works, but sometimes menus and popups get confused and won’t stay open.
Some way of globally capturing hotkeys, for things like starting stream, media hotkeys, etc. Only passing key events to the foreground window is shortsighted, but we need a secure way of doing this.
This is already possible
Mind elaborating a bit more?
I’d switched from i3 to sway, but the click offset in Krita made me switch back.
I’m going to buy an AMD video card this weekend solely so I don’t have to deal with the NVidia bullshit anymore. I’m eager to give hyperland a try.
This has long been the best advice. However, just in case you are not aware, some pretty important NVIDIA changes are expected to drop next months it will take a while to work into every distribution but NVIDIA should finally work as well as AMD.
Yes I know. I have read all about explicit sync. It’s going to take at least a few months to trickle into the various packages and distributions and we’re still trusting NVidia to give us a proper driver with it as well. And we’re assuming there’s nothing else that will cause yet more problems with Wayland/etc.
I’m at my wits end trying to be patient with them (on the order of years). I now understand why Linus flipped them off with a loud “F you”.
How’s the AMD drivers situation on Linux? I always used Nvidia since they have official drivers, but might change for the next card if AMD works better. I don’t use Wayland so never ran into the issues.
If your AMD card is older than your latest linux distro release it’s plug and play, no driver installation required
Wayland works pretty well on most desktop environments toobeware fresh released AMD cards in combination with long term release distros like Debian stable, you most likely will need the driver from the AMD website (not recommended)
Mesa is usually pretty quick to update, it’s just that stable distros won’t update mesa all that quickly. I assume most of them have some way to install a newer mesa from a community repo or something.
I love hyprland, but plugging my laptop into a projector for a presentation and forgetting to mirror displays was a fun time. Hard to explain the default anime girl away without people knowing what you’re talking about that. Since then I’ve learned you can disable that background lmao
Oof that sounds hella unprofessional though
It was just a presentation for peers in grad school. For a fun project unrelated to my thesis. Would never have used my personal for a work related presentation. Just a funny story nonetheless. Getting mad shit from buddies beats being fired or passed for promotion anyday lmao
That’s the hyprland community, for good and mostly bad
https://github.com/hyprwm/Hyprland/issues/2930
I have a feeling most of these people are either NEETs or never used a work computer.
I’m on the gay side of the community. Still rough, but a tad better
Judging people’s backgrounds is 100x more unprofessional imo unless they’re like seriously questionable
Idk what specific image was shown. But anything described as “anime girl” could have strong csam vibes assuming this grad school student is older than 11 themselves.
For some reason its normalized in some parts of the Linux community to have sexualized images of children.
The stock wallpaper is not NSFW in any way as I remember
Sounds like a hell of your own making. Always change the background to something generic. Like a nice tree. Always. Nobody gives a shit about trees.
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A little out of date. But still the best source I know of 👍
What do you think you’re doing by putting that link in every comment? Lemmy doesn’t have a terms of service that assigns a license to your text anyways. So if you just say nothing you own your comment and they can’t use it. If they cared about the licence they would already not be able to use it.
I think that’s incorrect: https://github.com/mpsq/arewewaylandyet/commits/master/
It’s what the site says at the buttom, so that’s when it was last generated.
Yeah that looks correct
Five years on wayland here, it’s been great as long you don’t have single Nvidia gpu or need https://xkcd.com/1172/ kinds of x11 features
With Windows getting sleazier and sleazier, I was really hoping Linux would be in a less janky place than it was when I tried to main it a decade ago.
Lemmy has made it clear that it isn’t.
Lmao what
This is clearly bait
Drivers are still a shit show. The drivers in question have changed, but there’s still extremely common hardware with poor support. I know this is the hardware vendors fault but that doesn’t change my experience as a user – I need my hardware to work.
It’s still extremely fragmented. Yes, this is often a good thing because it let’s you pick the features you want but I’m not interested in comparing and configuring 14 different tiling window managers.
It’s still fragile outside of the terminal. I constantly see posts and comments about peoples OS becoming unbootable or show stopping issues they just can’t fix without hopping to another distro or nuking their install from orbit. The 18th most popular distro seems to be popular simply because it makes it easy to roll back fucked updates or sidegrades.
This stuff might be fine for people who love to tinker but I can’t afford to have my PC shit the bed when I need it for work and I’m not interested in having “chill and play some games” involuntarily replaced with “fix the bootloader”.
And I can’t help but feel like the “anybody who isn’t sucking off Linux must be bait” mentality ensures this is a pit the scene will never escape from.
There’s absolutely no chance you haven’t seen the posts describing these problems. You’re commenting on one right now
More bait.
I have to do far more tinkering with Windows to make it usable than I do with Linux. With Linux I typically install it and then change one or two keyboard shortcuts (not even necessary, just a preference).
I wish Windows was as easy. I feel like in windows you always have to go onto powershell or the registry to fix something. Why can’t it just work?
And don’t get me started on how often you have to nuke your install when you run into issues (which, since this is windows we’re talking about, is often).
The drivers are awful and you have to search them all out individually rather than all just being automatically included.
Installing software is a complicated minefield.
I wonder if Windows will ever be as usable as Linux is. Because right now it’s not improving.
Whatever helps you cope.
You’re the one coping lmao. Look if you want to spend more time diagnosing issues with your PC than using it, then Windows is a fantastic choice and I’m happy for you.
I guess that 4% market share is because it’s just so good. The Linux community couldn’t even pull that off without a multi-billion dollar corporation helping them with software compatibility and stability.
Feel free to keep making fun of Windows though – I haven’t made an operating system part of my personality so it doesn’t upset me in the slightest.
4%? Linux has 6.3%+ on the desktop. Then there’s 6.5% unknown which likely includes a disproportionately high amount Linux systems too, what with Linux users being a lot more likely to obfuscate system information from trackers.
Then on mobile, Linux has 72%.
And Windows is popular because it came first and they have a monopoly. Once you have a monopoly, it’s easy to keep. Is Comcast so popular because it’s good, or is it because it’s the only real choice for a load of people?
Well you clearly have made your OS part of your personality, because here you are vehemently defending it and shitting on other OSes.
I don’t really care. If you somehow enjoy using Windows, despite the myriad of issues, then cool beans. Use it. I’m not really sure why you’re so insecure about it that you need to come here and tell us, though.
@PoliticalAgitator @TheGrandNagus Well, it’s mostly because Linux is way newer to the computer scene than microsoft’s OS for instance. When #linux started out, computers using msdos were already being shipped for over a decade, and so they were the de facto standard, and it takes time for people to switch to a better product if they are used to another one and have the ecosystem keeps them in (that’s the main reason people keep buying overpriced apple products)
please don’t post that site. I just need a few more things to work well with Wayland like Nvidia Drivers.
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Barrier
I miss being able to just use one mouse and keyboard for everything
