BTW, who even had the brilliant idea to block pr0n for French of all people?
You can say porn here on lemmy
But think of the children!!!
Because for the right, apparently porn is bad for children, but people grooming the same children is fine.
But in all seriousness, being goomed by 2 people when I was not even 14 has done more damage to me than playing black ops 2 with all the graphic scenes on my Wii-U when I was 12
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You’re right
I heard that in Trekkie Monster’s voice.
If you at all think that people can be addicted to social media, you could draw a correlation from this to porn addiction.
I know a lot of you either don’t think porn can be addictive and/or don’t think it can have negative effects on society.
Ask yourselves why the logic works for social media but not porn.
To be fair, potentially addictive or not, I wouldn’t support a ban on social media either. The practical requirements needed to effectively restrict access to information in the modern age (both porn and social media being examples of information) are such that I generally view the cure as worse than the disease, so to speak, and view the least bad option as being to just give up on legal restrictions and just deal with the consequences instead. Addiction is harmful, but most consumers of such information aren’t harmed by it, and restriction inherently requires monitoring and removing internet anonymity to a degree that I find unacceptable.
Didn’t say anything about banning porn or social media. Just saying that they’re both addictive and have negative consequences on society. Yall can keep your porn. Relax.
Ask yourselves why the logic works for social media but not porn.
Because they’re two completely different things.
https://www.pornaddictsanonymous.org/
Let me know if you need help in another country.
Exactly. The world is addicted to porn.
So alcohol and tobacco should be entirely banned as well? We should start with these, they’re way worse
https://www.pornaddictsanonymous.org/
Let me know if you need help in another country.
I’m all good, thanks
To be clear: yes it has some impacts, but I believe the majority of problems could be avoided if the parents did their job and told them that it wasn’t like that in real life. The impacts are in most cases not as extreme as other addictions by a large margin.
Asking for identity like this isn’t fine as we all know porn isn’t really well accepted by everyone, including employers, so having a data leak or just having our preferences linked to our identity doesn’t make us confortable.
People will always be able to go around and find porn every way, and I bet people that ended up on porn either searched for it, or went to a shady website you can’t regulate anyway, or went to some social media where some asshole posted explicit photos, which imo is the most likely.
If everything you can get addicted to were made illegal, there’d be nothing legal left.
https://www.pornaddictsanonymous.org/
Let me know if you need help in another country.
maybe we should ban all the vices you don’t partake of but leave the rest intact
https://www.pornaddictsanonymous.org/
Let me know if you need help in another country.
You absolutly right, but here in the Mecca of internet freedom, we don’t likey.
But we love our mods. What about freedom of speech online? People just too addicted to porn and can’t even muster an ounce of criticism or critical thinking.
Ehh… Application of a addiction model is somewhat controversial for pornography (the ground seems divided on whether it’s a compulsion or an addiction). Social media, however, is no less controversial (it’s just the media likes to hype this more).
I will say - the point of a porn site is to sell user data and deliver ads, whereas the point of social media is to keep the user scrolling by any means possible. By its design, the latter cultivates addiction as a clear goal (the goal to scroll is artificially imposed), whereas the case for the former is less clear (the goal to masturbate isn’t something porn created). In essence, one creates a drive and then sates it, whereas another sates an existing drive.
Honestly, I think, at the moment, we’re on the “violent video games cause violence” stage of the research. In other words, not enough data to decide so the media has decided for us.
pornhub is so sanitized now, im guessing its mostly because of the OF videos. most of them are on sites that arnt affiliated with PH.
After the big purge of some years ago, PornHub has became useless. The good real videos are elsewhere.
I think that you are just a bit too kinky
They removed a lot of videos that were perfectly legal and fine :-/
More than TikTok’s US ban doesn’t mean much given they blocked users who originate from the US regardless of VPN location
No one reads the damned article. France didn’t ban porn nor Porn Hub, they put in a place an age verification law and now PH is banning French IP addresses.
Right, and TikTok banned users it previously identified as being from the US rather than doing the IP-origin ban PornHub uses given they don’t require an account nor app.
Idk why your getting downvoted. Your exactly right
You’re*
Reminds me of the running joke I had with a French bloke in a place were I worked in about how Jacquie-Et-Michelle (NSFW) was a part of French Culture which none of our other colleagues seem to - or at least admitted to - get.
There are other, much better sites, lol.
go on…
xHamster is my go to!
Get Alldebrid, yes it’s paid but it’s cheap if you are just getting a vpn for porn you might as well get Alldebrid and you can use it to stream movies on stremio as well , then install the Alldebrid browser extension. Go to Adultdb.io click one of the links, scan the page with the extension. It will find the rapdigator link even if you don’t solve the captcha. Then click on the link in the extension and then it takes you to the Alldebrid page where you can download or stream the movie at basically the best quality. Also Alldebrid works with torrents so you can add torrents from xxxclub.to and usually it’s already cached and you can watch it immediately.
As a «produced porn» enjoyer…
Usenet Stashdb Local stash instance
Treat porn like you do tv shows :p
I don’t really care for home video stuff
Home video stuff is arguably the best!
Often filmed with nothing but desire to share the joy. Vivid, real, as opposed to the carefully curated studio plastic, or OF crap where people have it for the money, and with all the ethical and other concerns about it.
But I know there are always two sides to look at the issue. Studio production is obviously more perfected, and that’s what many like
To each their own!
Pervertube. Thisvid. Motherless.
I just realized indicating these websites might have revealed a little too much about the kinds of porn I like to watch. ☹️
Absolute degeneracy, thank you.
Whoa. I haven’t heard of Pervertube. I have specific tastes involving a dirty mattress with no sheet or at least one overflowing ashtray.
NEW PORN!!!1!!!1!!!
Which one pops the “you are leaving the trans section to go the straight section, are you sure?”
I really don’t think I should be called out just because I like straight porn.
spankbang, xvideos, eporner…
xnxx
hmm those equivalent, I would not call them better
Different, I would say. Best home vids? PH. More fetishes? Xvideos.
Spankbang alone blows PornHub out of the water in my opinion. So does Xvideos. I guess it depends what you’re into? I don’t like all of the incest shit on PornHub.
Good ol’ Anja und Katja definitely helped me out in my teenage years.
More of just a softcore/strip kinda guy. I find porn corny and offputting so I’m usually just browsing /s/, fapello, or the endless tumblr blogs for every fetish imaginable. (suggestions welcome).
gallery sites, are my thing, I guess, redtube is another good one with a lot of solo stuff. Motherless, though I hate going there because some of that content is a little on the teen-obsessed side, and kinda creepy, but I do like the way the site is designed.
<_< are we having this discussion right now?
xvideos is a PH affiliate i think
They basically all belong to the same company except for a few.
Why do people even go to pornhub… there are so many other options
The French are totally down with revolution and cigarettes; VPN is a focus for nerd shit; inherently not French.
He said PornHub not Proton
I don’t really give it much thought, I load pornhub, click a recommended video, do my business and then close the private tab (yes I know this doesn’t hide your activity but it does stop pornhub showing as a search suggestion.). I’m not a connoisseur it’s a means to an end.
I put what I’m looking for into DDG and then click the first result. 30% of the time it’s PH, and 30% of the time it’s Xvideos.
what about the 40%? reddit?
e621
good taste
Because it’s simple and it works. When most people want to watch porn they don’t spend an hour researching their best option, they just go somewhere they know and watch something there.
So instead of switching to a different website, they spend an hour researching, buying and setting up a VPN in order to still use PornHub?
What do you mean “setting it up?” You just install it, and click connect (or chose a country with one of their servers) easily.
Unless they do research, they will have to buy one of the advertised VPNs.
Both require time and energy.
search ‘free vpn’
install first result
click connect
“research”
Ok buddy
What would you recommend? :)
naughtymachinima for 3d stuff \
For other real videos, gotta check whether the french fucks blocked others like xnxx, xvideos, redtube. I don’t know which ones are also owned by the same parent company
This is depressing.
it’s not like sexual desire is human nature
Sexual desire is one thing. Pornography is another. Porn is evil.
Believe ot or not, there’s nuance in the world. Not everything is good or evil.
Irrelevant to what I said.
You said porn is evil. Seems pretty relevant to reply saying things aren’t all good or evil.
I could explain it slowly
in simpler termswith easy words, if it helps?If you have a position state it directly instead of hiding behind a low effort platitude.
I did. My position is that there is nuance and not everything can be described as good or evil.
Please learn to read.
hows proton?
Dr. Cox was right: “I’m fairly sure if they took porn off the internet, there’d only be one website left, and it’d be called ‘Bring Back the Porn.'”
Does oglaf count as porn?
Asking for a friend.Well, it’s blocked by my porn blocker, so I’d say yes
I had totally forgotten oglaf existed, thanks for the reminder!
Scared to click, someone pls provide context
These are comics, often with a nsfw gag, it’s safe to click on, it’s very mild.
Lol, there’s even a warning. The first one I saw was fucking hilarious, thanks for the recommendation!
Oh, she’s trying!
Bro’s name is Dr. Cocks
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Tumblr the Depraved?
I still miss og tumblr and my little porn account i had going there.
I hate how hard this made me laugh
Blocking porn has got to be the most “why even bother” thing
Political theater. “Won’t somebody think of the children?” is an easy win for politicians.
Plus an excuse to collect more data.
Yeah the point is just to soften the populace to the idea. Our fucking PM covered for pedophile priests in a Catholic school 30 years ago, he doesn’t give any fuck about kids.
Except it’s fucking awful to wait for buffering over Tor or a VPN
Why use Tor? It’s been compromised for years now. Just use I2P. You can torrent with that too.
Can you elaborate on how tor is screwed?
An example: https://youtu.be/XDsLDhKG8Cs
It’s an easy proxy.
It doesn’t do the one thing it’s meant to do.
allow region blocked people to circumvent restrictions? AFAIK it still does that.
That’s not the sole purpose of it. The way it does it was what was important. And that method is flawed.
I mean, neither does the Web by now.
If you are paying for a VPN and you have buffering problems, change to another VPN, that one is shit.
Could just be their local internet quality. Which, still, not a VPN problem.
Sometimes routing between two IPs is fucked. Had that, and proxying to another location then to the destination again fixed it. Internet 😵
Could be worse. Could be you’re in the early 90s with only a 56k modem.
You’d have good games and no bullshit on your PC.
And great LAN parties.
My VPN’s perfectly fine. To be fair, it’s not a free plan of a VPN that’s heavily throttled, but I can even play multiplayer FPS games with only a few milliseconds of additional delay, and my overall max upload and download speed is almost exactly identical to when I have my VPN off.
Video over Tor is pretty awful, simply due to the way Tor works; Bandwidth is inherently limited, because it’s shared by everyone using the network. Same reason you should avoid torrenting over Tor.
But if your video is buffering over a VPN, you need to find a new VPN provider. Mine maxes out my gigabit connection.
It’s not about blocking porn.
It’s always about control. Conservatives want to control how you consume sexual content.
It’s not about that either. It’s about connecting photo ID to browsing profiles and deanonymising the internet.
¿Por que los dos?
Like Reddit or YouTube with proper keywords didn’t exist
Been there, done that
Meanwhile in Australia, they just passed a bill requiring social media to verify the age of their users to make sure they’re over 16
Ouch
What a great way to prevent minors from living their lives
Reminds me of when my buddies discovered our friend’s YouTube account… He only had one public playlist, and it was 100% full of softcore porn. Nothing else. It was all softcore porn. We gave him a pretty good ribbing for that one, and still make a point of reminding him that better porn sites exist every time it comes up.
Always hide your playlists and subscriptions haha
But softcore has the benefit to help you retain normal libido and to not be dependent of more hardcore stuff
We gave him a pretty good ribbing for that one,
I guess you could say he got ribbed for his pleasure.
I feel like reddit and YouTube are completely different leagues when it comes to porn… Porn is the only reason I haven’t deleted my last reddit account. YT doesn’t even really have real porn…
YT doesn’t even really have real porn
Indeed, but there’s still things to find if you’re a young scared kiddo, and I’d say it’s pretty soft so it’s okay
Politically speaking, it’s easy money. You pander to the conservatives with blocking propositions, get votes.
*Who is going to champion the flip side?!"
Me. Porn is fine. Teach your children how to handle it. Teach them that it’s not realistic and some of it is straight-up dangerous. Put a filter on your internet if you’re too scared to talk to your kids about uncomfortable topics.
VPN companies and data brokers have a financial incentive to lobby for intrusive age-verification and restrictions, and prudish politicians are conveniently present in every political system. The porn lobby is powerful, but it seems they’ve been losing this battle recently. Or maybe they’re cutting deals with the data brokers, who knows.
I mean for context with the TikTok comparison using a VPN didn’t get you around the TikTok ban unless you also made an entirely new account.
That’s because they banned the accounts.
Anyone who has an account on pornhub deserves their ban.
Why? Making playlists and commenting gameplay is great
And sharing things with your family
So, all the uploaders deserve a ban?
I’ll make an exception for uploaders.
What’s wrong with having an account?
I’m pretty satisfied as a subscriber. Slowly using proton mail for more and more important accounts. Constant usage of the VPN. Trying to use the calendar more but still haven’t broken my Google Calendar habits. Proton Drive I use over google; I just need a Linux desktop application. Proton pass, still haven’t given that a go. Comfortable with KeepassXC and managing the backups myself. Proton Docs, it’s OK. Solid start. Hoping that notes partnership/acquisition eventually replaces Google Keep for me as a cloud notes application. I have pretty strong confidence now in the company regardless of the slow Linux developments
Or as they call it in France, Le Porn
I want to watch one with Marine Le Porn
Deepfakes are bad
Le pr0n
Pron du fromage
sigh…
And you know what they call a quarter pounder with Cheese in Paris?
A 113.3981 gramer with cheese?
I’m shocked that this many people feel the need to disobey a rule that is only there to help the children. Next step must be to ban VPNs altogether, and enforcing all Internet users to be identified with their real identity (/s obviously).
The VPNs will be harder to ban. Not just from a technical standpoint, but politically as well. Big businesses will be absolutely opposed to VPN bans.
I feel they could easily ban VPN companies (maybe?), which is what 99.9% of people that want to browse from a different location use.
This won’t affect companies at all as they would be using their own VPN.
The only way the sovereign nation of France can ban VPN companies not based in France is to block the IP address of every single entry point of every single VPN company and keep doing so as they add new entry points (I bet the response on the VPN company side would be to start having some kind of dynamic VPN server thing).
And then, as somebody else already pointed out, any technically inclined person can just rent a VPS anywhere in the World and fire up their own VPN server on it.
VPN becomes VPS and life goes on.
There will be a lot of businesses who feel the (justified) need to hide the entrypoint to their infrastructure behind a VPN.
Teacher, leave the kids alone!
All and all its just a-nother dick in the porn.
Jokes on them I just have an incredibly high volume of DNS traffic
Wait, this can’t just be another useless DNS blocking, or is it?
I was making a joke about running wireguard over UDP/53
It’s not. I use next and it’s blocked.
That’ll be really slow.
Can confirm, used DNS proxying to bypass cruise ship WiFi paywall once. It worked, but god damn did it send me into dialup flashback lmao
I’d like to hear more about how that works…
It’s called DNS tunneling it’s typically used for data exfiltration tactics, but it’s also great if you’re desperate to punch through even the toughest paid WiFi paywalls to Google something really
quickslow because you fucked something up on your phone lmaohttps://dmachard.github.io/posts/0047-dns-tunneling-overview/
Fun fact: they already tried. In the same law where they tried to ban E2EE a few months ago. It went about as well as you’d expect.
if the VPN ban doesn’t work then the only reasonable course of action would be to ban the internet entirely. it’s the only way the children can be truly safe.
Honestly and truly, I don’t think humanity is ready for the internet.
Back to the Minitel !
Don’t give them ideas. If they block no-log VPNs I’m going to become a real threat 👀
