Cool…
This one goes out to all the small government, privacy loving, Republicans out there, supposedly hating invasive big brother tactics and representing the values of the American heartland.
Would be much appreciated if you could have a word with your people about this.
Then fucking come over assholes
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Threatened? So they didn’t ID them.
What’s wrong is that officers of the law are allowed to lie like that, yet still want to be respected.
In lying’s defense, they shouldn’t be respected when they say that regardless of its truthiness
Yeah, it’s frustrating. We need to end Qualified Immunity pronto.
Laser pointer
They’d come kill you for that.
they’re already on the verge of it, may as well hang for a sheep
Is it plausible this might cause the helicopter to crash somehow? I wouldn’t want to risk that.
No no, couldn’t have that, would be a shame
a helicopter crash in a populated area has a high likelihood of collateral damage
This first thing you should do when going protesting, is to leave your phone at home.
Having a small faraday bag around is useful too, that’s what I do.
I wouldn’t trust a foil bag to do anything 100%.
the only 100% way to not be caught is not bring it.
it also provides an alibi. “see, my phone was here all day long.”
I mean, a proper Faraday cage will block anything unless the US government has figured out how to break the laws of physics…
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Without GPS or tower based error correction any location prediction based on conservation of momentum in the phone will be useless before very long if the phone is moving.
Since you’re posting this all over the thread, I’ll also have to repeat the information that gyro/accelerometers are not capable of doing that. Small measurement errors stack up and throw it completely off.
A proper Faraday cage, a truly excellent one, just the most Faraday of all the cages, is easily defeated by physical attacks such as getting your phone cloned when you get mass arrested and summarily released on OR.
I’m talking about an actual faraday bag, not a foil bag. That, combined with a powered off device keeps you fairly protected. They aren’t going to get into your phone if it’s powered off.
it also provides an alibi. “see, my phone was here all day long.”
There’s going to be a deviation in usage regardless, it’s not providing an alibi. A gap of time when you’re not using your device that you normally would be is a marker they look for. They key is keeping them locked out (again, power them off).
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I don’t think their gyroscopes are good enough for that level of inertial navigation. You could just fling it around tossing it up in the air and down again, that would totally mess with its navigation.
The far greater threat is that you just have the phone taken off you. For that reason alone you should use a burner, but I don’t think you should be worried that they can track you based on gyroscope history.
Phones can figure out its location using gyroscopes and accelerometer
This is plainly false.
The error stack-up from the imprecision of a phone’s MEMS sensors would make positioning basically impossible after a couple of dozen feet, let alone after hours of walking around.
There are experimental inertial navigation systems that can do what you describe, but they use ultra sensitive magnetometers to detect tiny changes in the behavior of laser suspended ultra cold gas clouds that are only a few hundred atoms large. That is not inside your phone.
You seem to know a lot about this. I’m just generally fascinated by this method of tracking. Would the sensors ever become accurate enough in the future? Or is there a limit to their accuracy due to physics with a small sensor?
It will always be a matter of “for how long?”. Location from integrated acceleration is what we call a stiff problem. Meaning that any error is compounded as you continue to integrate (slight over simplification, but good enough for the point). There will never be a sensor that has zero error, so it’s just a question of how much integration you can do before the errors make the results unusable.
Unless your device is already compromised, that information isnt being logged when the device is powered off so it’s kind of moot.
“powered off”
Unless I’m holding the battery in one hand and the phone in the other I don’t trust it being turned off either.
The reason it being turned off matters is because LE has a significantly more difficult time extracting data from that state. And again, a proper faraday bag prevents signal leak.
You guys are welcome to do what you want, I’m just explaining the best way to stay safe if you don’t want to leave your phone at home. There are plenty of legitimate reasons someone may want one as a lifeline just in case.
My concern would be that the police would confiscate my phone. Not that they would necessarily be anything on it, but I don’t want them to have my nice expensive phone. They can have this crappy cheap one instead.
Do you have a recommendation for a good cheap android phone (didn’t worry, I’ll run a rom) that one could get to have a “clean” phone?
I’ve been thinking about getting a phone that has none of my socials on it for when I go to Canada to get vaccines
Load the foam with Iranian counter interceptor malware and infect the oppressor from inside. Give them spiked ammo.
If you think you need a phone, it should be a burner.
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Gyro/accelerometer data isn’t accurate enough to do that. Small errors in the data add up and will quickly drift away from the actual location. You can use it for video game controllers, but not tracking over large distances. Edit: there’s a reason the best VR tracking often uses external methods, not controllers alone.
But most phones have GPS and that’s where the real problem is.
Gps jammers should be peaceful protest standard issue, along with stinkwater drone, foamweapons and open source open hardware anti air missiles
Just so we’re all aware, GPS jammers will invite the interest of the FCC. Now, protests aren’t about being well-behaved, but just know that there’s an entirely different federal agency being brought in.
That gives me a good idea. A week before the protest buy burners, use them frequently near republican supporters’ house, go to a protest, use your phone all the time in the protest, dump them near the police, let them enjoy the fruits of the regime they supported.
Diabolical. In theory, of course. Definitely just in theory.
Gotta clean and sterilize them.
Radios or mesh devices only
I bring my phone. I likely won’t be breaking any laws, and I can afford a lawyer. So yeah arrest me and waste the system’s time. Just another data point they have to sort.
And if it gets to the point where none of that matters we were cooked anyway
Police issues a dispersal order, but blocks all routes to safely leave the area.
Congratulations, you will now be charged as having committed a crime and good luck proving in a court that there was no realistic option for you to leave.
Also police seizes your phone. Congratulations now they access your data and either go after people you have had contact with or they claim you to be part of a criminal organization as they pin other charges on people they found a connection with.
I doubt they will find anything of use. The most powerful thing I can do is slow them down. It’s rhe best use of my privilege
This is the sort of nuts and bolts of protesting that Americans are learning the hard and fast way.
Lawyers operate in courts. We don’t have due process anymore.
Just go out wearing a MAGA hat. They only have small brains it’ll probably confuse them.
Like how insects are always pretending to be wasps so they don’t get eaten, see it’s scientific.
Or even just dress how they’d expect their own to dress, don’t even need a dumbass hat. I wear an old tan leather jacket and a Swedish combat cap which apparently translates to friend for them. Also applies to the anarchists though, they see my clothes as friendly.
Then as I said we’re already cooked. But also that is demonstrably false anyway. Our judiciary is under heavy threat, but still functioning
Barely functionning isn’t good enough, it has to be beyond reproach but today it has daily miscarriages.
And cover up your face and any visible tattoos or any other identifying features
Put a rock in your shoe too. Gait identification can be shockingly accurate.
Dune sand walking
and cover your face if you are in a shithole country like USA, Turkey, Russia etc
USA … the world’s richest third world country.
Shouting from a helicopter “Please disperse because we’ll come to your house and murder your families if you don’t” sounds like an actionable threat. And helicopters are difficult to fly on a good day. Would be a shame if someone up there had an accident.
I don’t know about you but if I’m on the ground (protesting or not) the last thing I want is a helicopter coming down anywhere near me.
Tangling hazards
Would be much appreciated if you could have a word with your people about this.
I’m an American, but my only experience with LA was traveling through for 2 days about 10 years ago. AKA no experience with LA.
This action appears to be originated from LAPD and therefore the local LA government. I have always considered LA to be deeply blue, and would therefore think that their local LA government would be Democrat, not Republican.
So should this not be the local blue voting populace having a word with their blue elected politicians?
LAPD is not under the control of any government. They have literal warring gang factions within the LAPD. It is an occupying junta force.
LAPD is notoriously corrupt and vile even among other police peers and has been for a long time. Its only competitor is the NYPD
LAPD is better than it used to be but it’s still full of assholes.
LASD has been worse and probably still is.
The police are violent thugs everywhere, not just Republican cities and states.
It’s because they have almost complete immunity from being prosecuted for wrongdoing and also, well, they are incredibly well armed and often use their monopoly on violence to threaten blue politicians.
I grew up in a city where cops didn’t like their own chief of polcie because he wanted to drug test the force regularly after several got caught doing drugs on the job. The chiefs own force stalked him, harassed him, made violent threats against him and his family, until he was ran out of town. The police union sued him and said drug testing them violated their rights. The police union won in court. Those drug tests never happened.
That’s kinda what I’m getting at. This isn’t R vs D, and further perpetuating that is lending into the division of the country that the powers that be want.
This is class war, always has been. Police are the arm wielding power of the rich, used to push down the working class.
Police unions give unions a bad name. Fucking thugs.
Bruh wow
Follow Hong Kong tactics and use umbrellas to shield from above.
That’s in LA. It doesn’t count. They’re not people. /sarcasm
Conservatives are unironically like this. They cheer when we have earthquakes and fires.
As someone who lives in Hurricane Alley, have you tried just not living where earthquakes happen?
That seems to be the standard response of those in California when a hurricane hits my area…
You won’t have much of a choice when FEMA is gone. I mean, less and less people will have homes there anymore.
Right, because nobody lived here prior to the existence of FEMA.
I, for the life of me, cannot understand how people can look at the history of what our, and most other governments have done, and then say, “Hey, you know what? We need more of that!”
Yeah, it’s not like there’s a reason fewer and fewer insurance companies will write a policy in that state every year. It’s not like the property insurance rates are the highest in the country.
Interesting that a Californian making a callous comment about living in hurricane country is somehow equivalent to the conservative media industry absolutely cheering bloodshed any time natural disasters strike us. 🙄 If California celebrated like this any time, much less every time, a natural disaster hit somewhere else it would have its own dedicated conservative channel playing it on loop.
I’ve lived through multiple hurricanes because I haven’t always lived in California. People from everywhere say that stupid shit about hurricane prone areas. Take the chip off your shoulder.
It’s more than a callous comment. It is the epitome of victim blaming, and the fact that you are attempting to make apologies for it is telling.
Go have this fight with someone that wants to have it and didn’t make it clear that kind of behavior isn’t alright. Maybe somewhere other than on a thread about cops threatening to come assault protesters in their homes.
It’s a very personal issue for me.
I lost everything and had to start over with little more then the clothes on my back, and then to hear people say I should’ve just moved?
Did you hear that from the president and the press? Or just random assholes on the internet?
I’m someone that is from tornado alley. I celebrate when they get hit now because it means that they have to experience the consequences of their actions.
My family is still there and I hope they can get out but, most of the people I met their would shake your hand while stabbing people like me in the back.
though the actual audio sounds like they’re making a joke, they could very well have the plates and do that
This would likely be done through cell phone tracking devices like a stingray, not plates. I don’t know how many people are in their cars at a protest.
Checking out women sunbathing in backyards or other places.
What about walkie talkies? Short wave radios? Older tech comms devices?
What about open source open hardware anti-air missiles?
