So, Ive recently gotten back into writing and been thinking about how much more fun it would be to write Outside. Problem is, the sun hates screens. I have an Alphawrite Neo, of course, but I’ve always been insecure about lugging a weird educational device around with me in public. So I started looking into Eink tablets that could be used with a keyboard and
Jesus H. Christ, that price tag!
I just want something to type on something. Apparently thats strange, so maybe there will be something cheaper as just a word processor. It seems that the only reasonable offering here is the Freewrite Traveler, though, so I look it up and
WHY‽ It’s the same price!
Okay, maybe I could just get a Raspberry Pi 400 and attach an eInk monitor to it. Apparently, this is not the usual use-case for E-ink, but there are in fact e-ink monitors out there! Most were around a thousand dollars for some reason, but here is the cheapest one I could find:
That’s around the price point of a Boox Go, for reference, which has a really slow screen refresh rate.
Why is there no affordable e-paper products that arent a pain to use? I am aware of cheaper ones, but the ones ive seen reviews if aren’t able to keep up with typing in a way that seems responsive. And I’m aware that you can find eink displays (as in the component) for as low as $30, so they should be able to be cheaper than this!
They charge what
the market will bearthey can get away with.I don’t understand: why must it be eInk? I know glass displays aren’t the best because of reflection but an iPad gets super bright and takes a keyboard. You can easily find a used one for $100-150
E-ink in general is expensive from what I’ve seen. I was pricing out building a little project and found even the tiny displays (a few centimeters on the diagonal) were ~US$50. If you look for anything big enough to be more than a low power always on display, it gets quite expensive quite quickly. Add on the cost of development for completely unique software because the off-the-shelf stuff is mostly not compatible, and the other general hardware costs for making it a product instead of a project, and the pricepoint is not that wild. Hopefully they come down over time.
Allow me to suggest the humble typewriter. There are dozens of us (dozens!) who enjoy the tactile feeling of hammering out a few pages with no electronics or distractions of any kind.
Kobos used to be cheap as fuck but I hear that one company owns the patent for e-ink screens and they’re bilking the manufacturers
https://www.waveshare.com/7.5inch-e-paper-hat.htm?gQT=2
You can use these with the raspberry pi (50 $). Im pretty sure you can find cases online but you will have to 3d print them somewhere.
That’s only 800x480 though. The BOOX ultra has a screen resolution of like 1900x2400 IIRC.
plus it has other nice features like it’s already made and it’s much thinner than your rpi version, and runs a custom android ROM so you can just install android apps.
Op wanted something cheap, not the best option. You also dont need HD quality for a portable e-ink writer.
It is thinner but the raspi pi isnt exactly thick, and your android apps aren’t an advantage over a linux OS which you have full control over.
It’s also funner to build your own.
So, Ive recently gotten back into writing and been thinking about how much more fun it would be to write Outside.
I know it’s not what you’re looking for but since it’s the tools I’m using for the exact same purpose you’re mentioning, maybe they’re worth suggesting?
There is no copy paste, no edit, no syncing either but depending what you wish to write, you may not need that—I certainly don’t, and I even prefer this to more high-tech solutions for my purpose.
- It’s dirt cheap. Less than 30 cents for the Bic (I buy mine in bulk, normal price should be approx. 1.5€), and less than 3 euros for the notebook itself and they both offer at the very least a few weeks worth of writing autonomy. I reckon most countries should have local manufacturers for those tools (less shipping and less waste are always a nice option). Here in France, I like to use the French Bic ballpoint pens and the French Clairefontaine notebooks/papers (it also helps that they’re excellent products)
- It works great under the sun, on the beach, at the pool, or under the rain. Ballpoint ink is waterproof and quality paper (like in this notebook) can work under the rain and it can even be immerged under water. It will buckle but it will be usable (and readable, if one is using a ballpoint or a pencil) after it dried.
- Highly portable. It fits in any pocket (and small bag), and the Bic sits nicely within the spirals so no risk of losing it and I never need to search for it.
- It needs no charging. It needs no software or firmware updates. It has no bugs.
- It works great with any pen you fancy, be it this cheap Bic pen or some multi thousand € fancy fountain pen.
- One can use it to write absolutely anything. Poetry, the next best-seller, a secret plan to conquer the world, a list of errands,… You can also use it to sketch, to mindmap, to outline, and so on.
- It’s not unbreakable but one will need to put in some real effort. Meaning the thing can take a few beatings without any issue. Plus, if it’s too damaged, it’s cheap to replace.
- Thieve appeal? None. Try letting a tablet or a phone, even a cheap old one unsupervised on any table in a public space…
- Privacy? OK, it’s not encrypted but at the very least no corporation is spying on my notes, ever. And I’m free to write anything I fancy, without worries.
- Backups? None. I don’t need any since I use for quick notes that I then reuse back at the desk: ideas, dialogues, short descriptions (a few keywords will often do it’s rare I need to write complete sentences), or stuff like that. Even stuff I want to write about in my journal (that stays at home) I will simply write a few quick words so when I read them back later one I will remember what it was all about.
- Icing on the cake? Zero distraction. No social, no games, no Notifications to distract me, and no endless settings and tweaks for me to use as an excuse to fool around and to not be writing ;)
I know it’s low-tech and not trendy at all, but it works great and have been doing so for… centuries (for the notebooks in its current form) if not for millennia (handwriting) and has been used by many authors whose work we’re still enjoying/admiring to this day.
I know it’s low-tech and not trendy at all
I doubt anyone here is looking to spend that much money to make a fashion statement.
I doubt anyone here is looking to spend that much money to make a fashion statement.
Sure, we would know it by now if ‘fashion’ was working at all to drive sales. And if it was, by now we would be surrounded by ads absolutely everywhere, and our landscapes would be filled with mountain-like piles of trashed useless craps that we would feel the need to regularly throw away in order to make room to buy the newest and latest whatever trendy crap. That’s obviously not the case. Aren’t we lucky.
Let me ask you this: for what reason do you think most people buy the latest $1000+ smartphone?
Is it because they need the hardware, be it the titanium or whatever metal body because they regularly heat their phone so much that titanium is the only reasonable option? Or is because it looks somehow cooler? Or maybe it’s because they need more pixels in order to share a sharper video of, say, the latest revolutionary brain surgery procedure they devised? Or is it in order to share some video of their cat, or their latest shopping spree, or film themselves in front of whatever touristic destination they fancy visiting? Please, do note that I wrote ‘most people’ and not all of them, as I certainly don’t doubt a few targeted consumers do indeed need whatever new features are made available.
So, as a matter of fact, I do think a lot of people are more than willing to spend whatever amount of money they consider reasonable, be it a couple hundred bucks on e-ink device, or 1 million dollars on a diamond incrusted fountain pen, or even 50 billions to buy their own Twitter (which is also a writing device, mind you). Or do you think a 1 million dollars fountain pen write that much better? Hint: it doesn’t.
Do I think the OP is one of those person? I have no idea and how would I know? But, contrary to you, I don’t care at all because I don’t think it matters.
I simply offered a cheap (answering the OP exact concern) alternative to e-ink, an alternative I know is very often overlooked because, well, it’s so low tech (which is not great in a society that has a constant
hardoninterest for high-tech).
There’s also systems for digitizing this, if you want to be able to just upload and edit it later.
I don’t have much to say except I love the amount of effort you put into that comment! Thanks for making the fedi awesome!
Thank you very much, you’re more than welcome.
it has no bugs
unless you stick it into an anthill
You got a point :)
- Its niche to want such a device
- E-Ink is currently only made by a single company.
I have an inkplate 10, software is a bit lacking but everything is FOSS and the hardware is quite nice. They have smaller ones too, though I personally want bigger. It’s also possible to jailbreak Kindles from what I hear.
Well, the refresh rate is due to the e-ink technology. There is still a mechanical component to it, so what you can experience today is actually blazingly fast.
The other part is that having the display glass itself is not enough. You’ll need a driver chip. And one that drives an e-ink display fast is neither easy nor cheap.
Being used to drive Porsche’s all the time, you could ask why are these Lamborghini’s so unaffordable?
I take my alphasmart anywhere I’m planning on writing. The only looks I’ve ever gotten were followed up with “what is that?”
It may have been an educational device but it’s a fabulous distraction free portable writing tool.
I was one of the few AlphaSmart kids in my district growing up, and I still occasionally miss them for writing
Hahaha, damn. I think I’d raise my eyebrows too if I saw you typing on that in the train. But hey, if it works, it works!
I like typing on my Surface Pro 7 on the go, how can a flabby shallow keyboard like that even be comfortable? I don’t know, but it is. I have a ducky one 3 keyboard with blue switches at home to compare with. I like typing on both of them :-)
Eink charge around $30 for their lowest-spec screen. Device builders have to price that in, along with the niche market, and the fact that those who want to use Eink are unlikely to be replacing it for several years.
The Ratta Supernote A6X2 Nomad is 329USD, cheaper than the devices you found. The A5X2 (bigger) is 505USD though.
Devices I’ve owned:
- reMarkable 1 (boo subscription!)
- reMarkable 2 (boo subscription!)
- Supernote A5X (happy with this one)
I currently own the Supernote A6X2 and I’m super happy with it. I use it almost every day to diagram stuff for programming. I also read technical books on it. The Supernote A5X (the previous version) was also very good. I just ended up liking the smaller size better.
My favorite feature is that Supernote does NOT require a subscription! The device also has plenty of other features. You can read PDFs and ebooks, of course. You can even install the Kindle app on it, though you can’t install any Play Store app. The palm blocking is good. There are gestures to help you write faster. There’s a shape tool. Different pencil sizes, highlighters. Paper backgrounds. Hand writing recognition. And you don’t need to buy replacement pen tips!
Supernote cons vs reMarkable:
- The Supernote isn’t as polished as the reMarkable. The Supernote definitely isn’t bad, especially the newer A6X2, but it does feel a notch below reMarkable in terms of the build feel.
- If you really, really, REEEEAAALLY want to pretend you’re writing with a pencil and paper, then the reMarkable will be closer to that. Writing on the Supernote is just different. It’s more like writing on a notebook with a pen.
I love my A5X. Use it just about every day for work. It’s one of those things that’s expensive, but if mine died, I would order a new one same day.
Rumor has it they’re expensive to manufacture. Add to that a small market and some patents and you get elevated prices.
Amazon might sell Kindles below cost because it drives book sales on their platform, but it’s hard for anyone but Amazon to make that model work.