stop using the photo of that kid lol the actor has enough bad reputation for staring in that series, he needs to do something crazy next to break out from that role
I swear he looks AI to me, I don’t know why.
What bad rep? Being acclaimed as one of the greatest actors his age? He’s just playing a character. The kid doesn’t even look like the character anymore.
It’s pretty easy to give up trying to build a future for yourself when it has been made abundantly clear to you that your future is not part of the grand plan.
Seems like a great way to ensure that a lot of goodhearted people commit suicide while a lot of assholes get promoted.
And it’s pretty easy to realize you can take a future by scam, violence, and fraud easier than you can by dedicating your life to making other people rich.
Maybe a nation of roving bandit gangs is what we need for a while
I thought school was for basic education, not getting ready for the labor market.
The point of school is to churn out workers. The government didn’t throw money into education because it felt generous.
Ya’ll are forgetting it also doubles as childcare for all the workers you’re employing, but paid for by the state, which is why capital was behind it.
Oh, 100%. But we wouldn’t need childcare if the kids could work the factories. Unfortunately, that needs a minimum level of education.
In a democracy, you should have good schools for the simple reason as to have a people that’s actually able to carry a democracy.
I don’t think I need to learn chemistry and physics to get a job.
They’re worth learning to understand the universe and the history of how that knowledge was derived and/discovered.
If it helps you get a job, all the better, but they’re worth learning for their own sake.
And that’s how we accidentally get chlorine gas made by the janitors
That hasn’t been the case… Ever I think. We’re still trapped in the industrial revolution’s education system - create laborers - but with a lot of extraneous bullshit tacked on in an attempt to mesh it’s obsolescence with modernity and labor-saving tech. It’s always been about controlling the workers.
Hmm maybe at one point but that point is long gone
Sorry to burst your bubble. We’re all just pawns for the capitalists.
My bubble is already completely destroyed.
At least keep walking and become a queen.
I had to check where I had seen your name before. :)
I say burn the board.
:) But don’t hold that in my favor.
Burning the board reverses development. Which decision in the past was wrong that could have led to a better society?
We would make the same mistakes again.
We could create a white pill. When groups of humans become enemies and it’s ok to hate them, then somebody is playing a fascist playbook and it becomes time to offer an alternative to all participants. (Which is just other words for ‘pawns of capitalists’.)
From my current pov, there is no good life, hell not any life on this planet in the future, under capitlism.
The infinite extraction of profit needs to go.
That is what I mean by burn the board. Because the idea that the pawns are only able to run towards the enemy in the hope of becoming a queen (which is the epitome of the carrot on a stick) is just sick.
How to change human nature? People could stop being pawns and redefine the game but they don’t do it. Here, NEETS stop playing the game and they are immediately shunned by society. People can’t stand to see in others what they have to suppress in themselves.
The end of capitalism would require some benevolent people to be in control or a majority of society that doesn’t fall for manipulations.
The best that I can imagine is that those who don’t like capitalism create their own island, kind of like the situation in brave new world. Fortunately I am not that clever so I hope that others find a better solution.
How to change human nature?
you mean the neoliberalist take of social darwinism. thats debunked. people are born good and empathetic. even evolution has not happened as capitalists like to picture it. not the strongest individuum has prevailed but the most kooperative group.
People could stop being pawns and redefine the game but they don’t do it.
The next neoliberalist take of individualizing systemic problems. people have zero real influence on their lives. there are also very few countries that even have a semblance of democracy. even in germany, people are so manipulated that they obviously decide against their own self interest.
The best that I can imagine is that those who don’t like capitalism create their own island, kind of like the situation in brave new world.
That is currently being done. Many places are building horizontal, base democratic communities. It also has been done many times over, but capitalist countries have destroyed a lot of them. Sometimes killing the people involved.
The western countries are in a very precarious situation in terms of democracy. Capitalism is ultimately a fascist system (absolutist hierarchies, eviction of the weak, darwinism) and will always lead to fascism if unrestrained.
Some ideas of people are either solely worker owned companies, full blown democratic socialism or base democracy with federation. All promising concepts.
Fuck these losers. Just discard them from society.
Lmao
US version of Japan’s Hikikomori?
We need a new Judo craze in America.
What happens when you do Judo?
You become confident, and typically very humble. You also get fit AF.
What happens to guys who are confident, humble, and fit AF? They are viewed positively by women.
It’s hard work but very fun. You do need decent health insurance though because it’s easy to get injured. The younger you are when you begin, the easier it is.
You can do BJJ instead but that’s way more expensive and not always so humble.
Lol, there’s already an obsession with martial arts in America. I don’t think having more people with Joe Rogan brain running around is going to help anyone.
Yeah but they’re not talking about getting ripped and doing steroids and shit, but taking classes from an expert.
And I imagine Joe Rogan didn’t start his career by immediately getting ripped and doing steroids.
I just don’t really think something as simple as taking judo classes is really going to do much to tackle a problem that likely started at the socioeconomic scale.
A large part of conservative propaganda is telling individuals that cleaning their room or working out will solve their problems. When in reality the problems are much more complex and likely systemic in nature.
I just don’t really think something as simple as taking judo classes is really going to do much to tackle a problem that likely started at the socioeconomic scale.
I think a role model of positive masculinity is a good place to start.
think a role model of positive masculinity is a good place to start.
Right, but what about being a judo instructor makes you automatically a positive masculine role model? Steven Seagal instructs aikido an even less aggressive martial arts and he’s a giant piece of shit.
Nothing automatically makes someone a good role model obviously, but going through a program like Judo teaches you a lot of things like being humble.
I’d actually contrast that to supposedly softer martial arts like aikido where you don’t actually train with resistance and therefore don’t get that humbling effect that I was talking about.
We need a new globbin craze in America!
(I’m not saying this at all because I am the head of my local globblenoobin or because I’m a globbin enthusiast that thinks the solution to everything is everyone should be globbin like me.)
What happens when you do globbin?
You become confident, wise, and typically very humble. Some would say you become among the most humble people you could ever find. You also become lit AF.
What happens to guys who are confident, wise, and lit AF? They are viewed positively by women.
It’s very hard work but very fun. All you require is fifty thousand kopecks and a note from your local beetlebobbin. The younger you start your globbin journey the better, because it’s easier to become the head of a local globblenoobin if you start early!
You can always do glubinobin instead, but it’ll never be as good as the most highest esteemed globbin!!!
You can just say smoke weed.
What happens when you do Judo?
You get brain damage from getting kicked in the head all day and then you become more misogynistic, more violent and generally more right wing as a result. Unless you know of a way to pit these golems against incels and get rid of the problem that way I’m pretty sure we are going to need a more general and far reaching approach than Judo.
there are no kicks or punches in judo though
Oh yeah, I was thinking of taekwondo
Oh yeah confidence by physical appearance, the best kind of confidence… Let’s hook up him in modern society, maybe we should teach him that there exist plastic surgery too…
Confidence and being humble starts when you accept yourself aa you are and you value that. The hyper fixation of the current state of society of creating gym bros is the opposite.
The only thing about judo is the Zen part, that most of the centers don’t teach. Because they are hyper fixated on creating gym bros.
Someone that bases his confidences on what he does is not confidence. Confidence is a self appreciation and it does not depend on what you do.
Society is fucked up if the tip for helping young boy to be confident is to send them all to do martial arts. And I’m especially talking about western martial arts that deviate so much from the original meaning that they have in China or Japan.
Tell me you’ve never been to a judo class without telling me you’ve never been to a judo class.
I took kung fu as a teen and I remember my teachers telling me a story about how the grandmaster essentially beat up a homeless person for asking for money.
I think they were trying to communicate how badass the grandmaster was but it just made him seem like a dick.
Raising kids these days must be a real minefield with all this toxic culture being so accessible.
If I choose to have children, they’ll be home-schooled, and their internet use will be entirely supervised until they’re older. None of this, hand-a-toddler-a-tablet nonsense.
And most parents are too lazy or too tired to police their children
The kids are also at school half the day or more, we’re trying to teach and reinforce critical thinking as much as possible with our son. And I’m trying to show him that there are lots of ways to solve problems when examples arise.
But I’m also a dad that both fixes the cars and cooks the dinners and solders the electronics and sows on the buttons. He’s a smart kid, and a contrarian like his folks, so I hope he’s gonna be ok.
Fundamentalist religion is at the top of the toxic culture, and it has been around since before the incel term.
Anyone offering easy answers to complex questions should be suspect. And that does largely incriminate all religious groups around the world. They often espouse seemingly decent and benign ideologies. But unfortunately the mindset that latches on to those things, idealogues; are the danger. Even if the ideology themselves aren’t necessarily.
We had an easy answer - a decent paying job that offered a decent lifestyle and a hope for a better future but the rich took it away.
They often espouse seemingly decent and benign ideologies.
Sometimes they are so conditioned that they don’t even think of their bigotry as bigotry.
I think organized religion fills their heads with problematic ideas about gender roles.
Heh, while religion isn’t required for that. It’s impossible to argue that it doesn’t help with it. Putting faith in anything and turning off critical thinking is always a recipe for disaster.
Pretty sure the old testament gives wives more authority in the community and in the household than what our current government is aiming for.
Fucking hell there are instructions for abortifactants in the OT
Don’t pin this on religion, this is purely the bias of petty men coloring their interpretations.
Usually, it’s just another term for the same thing, I would say.
I don’t think that raising kids was ever easy.
I think the point is that parents have less influence than ever when kids are getting their values from online communities.
lol no one raises kids these days, they leave that to youtube
I’m sure they expect others to take care of them though. Like giant house pets.
What a terrible article. NEETS and lie flat movement has almost no overlap with incels.
Ostensibly the whole world has been online for enough time now. Yet everyone continues to demonstrate a remarkable lack of ability to grasp internet cultures.
It makes no sense. Like trying to explain technology to my elderly grandma. Except she knows she’s very old and out of touch. What’s everyone elses excuse. It’s made even worse because everyone else thinks they are digitial culture savvy.
It’s intentional to cause infighting and and to help build the association between neets and incels.
Ars Technica is owned by Conde Nast media conglomerate, which is owned by Advanced Publications, which is owned and controlled by the billionaire Newhouse Family.
That’s why Steve Newhouse wants these types of articles to be written, because it obfuscates truth and pushes division.
Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives
They overlap because they are all rejects and failures with no prospects.
Since we’ve past growth now there are precious few winners in a zero sum game. Why even try, if you’re not cut to be a liar and a thief?
…I’m honestly not sure if this is sarcasm or not - if you’re pointing out a problematic point of view or if you’re attacking the people the article is talking about.
And what do you base that of? It’s incredibly easy to identify the cause of that overlap…
I am not at all concerned about a group of losers crying over not getting pussy.
It’s much deeper than that. The brainrot thinking is affecting more, and younger, boys. To the detriment of US and world society. These boys need rescued, not spit on.
I mean, you should. Because they’re gonna start organizing and buying guns
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Was this written by an LLM?
First sentence I already thought this sounds 100% like an LLM
First sentence was a dead giveaway, I didn’t bother to read further
Fuck off, LLM post
What key on your keyboard did you press to write out the Unicode character U+2014, the em-dash several times?
My guy, this was AI generated
What a shit headline. Yes we should care about people saying fuck it. But not this colored pill horseshit.
The term “incel” doesn’t really make sense. It’s not involuntary, by any definition of the word that I’ve seen.
Almost anyone can find a partner simply through effort. Diet, exercise, hygiene, etiquette, dressing nicely, socializing, actively seeking a partner. Notice something about that list? Pretty much everyone can do those things. It’s just a matter of effort.
Yes, there are some exceptions, for example from people with severe disability, but those people rarely call themselves “incels.” The majority are people who are perfectly capable of doing these things.
If you don’t practice basketball and you don’t even go to the tryouts, you don’t get to say that your not making the team was “involuntary.”
The bit you’ve missed off your strange list is being someone a woman would want to be around. Incel fits perfectly because they think they should just get women with no effort whatsoever.
You missed something important in that list, in typical incel fashion.
I notice a severe lack of ‘working on self and mental health’ amongst other really important things that were missed in that incredibly short list. Which is the central problem with an Incel. It’s a central problem with many things.
Also just finding someone isn’t an instant sign of successful in relationships. There are plenty of dysfunctional relationships that are evidence that a person might even be more healthier alone and working on self in order to set standards on finding better relationships than just be in such a relationship all just to avoid being labelled involuntary celibate.
Personally I always disliked the word Incel as a stand-in for antisocial personality disorder. Cuz really that is what it is. Sex or no sex. They have the same attitude even if they were getting some. They just complain about the lack of sex (or have poor view about women in general) cuz that’s the only symptom they usually notice and come up against that might be hinting there is a deeper problem with themselves.
As someone who was previously involuntarily celibate, I have to say that this comment really misses the actual problem, which is mental health. I had basically been suffering from some combination of depression, social anxiety, and high functioning autism from around age 8. This didn’t leave me with much in the way of friends or social skills, but it didn’t reduce in the slightest the horniness I felt.
To me, trying to figure out how to get women to have sex with me felt like dying of thirst on a desert island covered in land mines. In my constantly precarious mental and social situations, I was always terrified of trying anything because I feared that doing the wrong thing would lose me the few friends (ie, acquaintances who tolerated me) that I had. And I feared that letting on to anyone that I had any sexual interest in anyone ever - that I had any sexual urge at all - would lead to everyone I knew immediately abandoning me. And this, I was quite sure,would result in my own death via suicide. This was the case to the point that, one time, my friends asked me if I was gay, probably assuming I was closeted. They were right. I was closeted. I just wasn’t gay.
So since I couldn’t talk to anyone in real life about my problem, I turned to the internet. I ended up in /r/seduction and… was immediately grossed out. It was weird and manipulative and unnatural and and just generally unappealing to me as someone who was committed to treating other people with basic human dignity. So instead I turned to the normal/liberal/leftist side of the internet, which was… unhelpful to say the least.
Saying that it is voluntary assumes that the steps needed are straightforward and obvious. But you might as well say that primitive tribes were voluntarily living without electricity for 200,000 years. After all, you just have to spin a magnet! Just put the work in! What’s wrong with them?
Saying that it is voluntary assumes that the steps needed are straightforward and obvious.
This is a social problem, so the solution is to look at what successful people do and copy that. If that’s not straightforward and obvious, then nothing is straightforward and obvious. This is exactly the same thing primitive tribes did, and every one of your ancestors did. It is a process of learning, which makes it similar to science, but it requires no knowledge that you can’t get from just personal observations, completely unlike electricity.
You say that you couldn’t talk to anyone IRL about your problem, because of your social anxiety and autism, but that’s also a matter of effort. Rather than working on overcoming your social anxiety first, you went straight to seduction. That’s skipping all of the groundwork, and you knew it at the time. Choosing a plan that is guaranteed to fail is a voluntary choice.
the solution is to look at what successful people do and copy that
If you’re fat it’s your fault. Just look at thin people and do the same, it’s easy.
I said it was about effort. Do you think “effort” means “easy”?
You’re talking about old times and primitive tribes which had cohesion and helped people. Nice try though.
This is a social problem, so the solution is to look at what successful people do and copy that.
Then the question becomes (1) who is successful? Most people are not advertising every romantic encounter they have. Least of all to the weird kid who doesn’t talk to anyone. (2) Of the things they do, what makes them successful? Many of the black pill incels seem to have found the answer here, which is “be tall” and “have a strong jawline”. This is similar to questions about “how can I be well liked?” or “How do I make oodles of money?” There are a million possible answers, each as plausible-sounding as the last, all contradictory. And following any one line of advice requires a significant commitment of time and resources before you see results. (3) What do they actually do? It is very rare to actually see someone ask someone else out on a date, or go for a first kiss, or to hear how they flirt on a first date. These are private things, and therefore are difficult to emulate.
You say that you couldn’t talk to anyone IRL about your problem, because of your social anxiety and autism, but that’s also a matter of effort. Rather than working on overcoming your social anxiety first, you went straight to seduction. That’s skipping all of the groundwork, and you knew it at the time. Choosing a plan that is guaranteed to fail is a voluntary choice.
This very much was not obvious to me at the time. I was also working on my social anxiety and social skills, but any sort of solid framework or set of steps where one thing led to another was completely opaque to me. Meanwhile, it took me about a decade after I realized that I needed to improve the way I connected with others until I actually managed to get laid - a lot of that time I was a teenager where it was unlikely to happen anyway, so let’s cut that time in half and say 5 years. Can you really say that spending 5 years overcoming social anxiety, while agonizing over your lack of a sex life is a voluntary lack of sex? If someone spends a decade struggling with depression and couldn’t get a job, would you say they were voluntarily unemployed during that time?
Seriously, the idea that there is no such thing as “involuntary” celibacy because you can just work on yourself completely misses the fact that these people have real problems.
I was talking about effort being key, and these questions obviously come from somebody who didn’t even try. All you have to do is lift your head up and shift your eyes slightly and actually look at what other people are doing. I know this stuff doesn’t come naturally to an autistic person, and so it requires even more effort. Did you try to find a self-help book for how to improve your social skills? It’s not like this is a new problem. Dale Carnegie wrote How to Win Friends and Influence People in 1936, and I doubt you’re older than that.
Can you really say that spending 5 years overcoming social anxiety, while agonizing over your lack of a sex life is a voluntary lack of sex?
It’s not about voluntary/involuntary at that point. In my original analogy, if you practiced basketball for 3 weeks, you might not make the team, but you wouldn’t call that “involuntary”. You just hadn’t put in the required effort. Calling it “involuntary” makes it somebody else’s fault, as if it wasn’t up to you. But it’s not the basketball coach’s fault that you didn’t make the team. And it’s not women’s fault that you were unhappy with your sex life. It was your own bad previous decisions that caused it. If you failed a math test because you didn’t study, you wouldn’t say that you “involuntarily” failed it. This is true even if you didn’t understand that you needed to study. We simply don’t use the word “involuntary” in that way.
Seriously, the idea that there is no such thing as “involuntary” celibacy because you can just work on yourself completely misses the fact that these people have real problems.
The truth is the truth, whether it makes people feel bad or not. Almost everybody has problems, and they all still have to figure out how to live their own lives. Because most people realize that they need to do something themselves to achieve their goals, and they can’t simply shift the blame on to others.
Did you try to find a self-help book for how to improve your social skills? It’s not like this is a new problem. Dale Carnegie wrote How to Win Friends and Influence People in 1936
I did try that actually, and I’ve read that book several times. Each time I come back to it because “it’s a classic”, and each time I roll my eyes at how trite, unhelpful, and sometimes manipulative the advice is. It’s a parade of funny tidbits that an already social person noticed about the way they already acted. It is, quite simply, not a good book on learning social skills or overcoming social anxiety. At all. Which is kind of my point - if this is the book on the topic that everyone recommends, and it is such hot trash, then someone who doesn’t know what they are doing is gonna have a hard time figuring out what to do. Of course, there are other books - but now the floodgates are open, and you now must wade through thousands of books on social skills, social anxiety, becoming confident and charismatic, the brain chemistry that causes your depression, how a new diet can fix your mood issues, how it’s all in your head, it’s not about how you act but how you dress, about 500 different inspirational figures who overcame their own neuroticism and became captains of industry, etc. Soon you are more messed up and turned around than you were before you started.
Calling it “involuntary” makes it somebody else’s fault
If I am walking through the forest and a sink hole opens up underneath me, and I fall in and can’t get out, I am involuntarily in that hole. Not everything has to be someone’s fault. Sometimes things are just shitty.
And it’s not women’s fault that you were unhappy with your sex life.
I never blamed women for my sex life. Mostly because blaming half the human population for something is silly - there is no way that many people could effectively coordinate to conspire against me. I also never blamed any particular woman for not being interested in me - after all, there were many women I was similarly uninterested in, and though I didn’t understand exactly what was unappealing about me, I accepted that they could have their own preferences and were entitled to that.
What I did do was develop a complex about how I was fundamentally broken as a human being which led me to consistent suicidal ideation throughout my adolescence. So, I mean, that was fun.
It was your own bad previous decisions that caused it.
Ah yes, my terrible previous bad descion of being bullied and socially ostracized as a child. Thank you for telling all the 8 year olds out there that the fact that they have no one they feel they can trust in their lives is their own fault.
If you failed a math test…
A more apt analogy would be if you failed a reading test because you have dyslexia which was never diagnosed and for which you never received appropriate support. And then the school just kept pushing you through the grades as you failed every single test and fell further and further behind.
Almost everybody has problems, and they all still have to figure out how to live their own lives.
Well sure. But I’m not going to tell a subsistence farmer in Sierra Leone that they are voluntarily poor because they could just risk life and limb to illegally immigrate to Europe and then work there until they can finagle legal citizenship, get a job as a janitor and work their way up the corporate ladder until they are CEO of BMW. And I’m not going to tell someone with only one leg that they voluntarily can’t walk on two legs, since clearly they could just make their own fully functional prosthetic just like Boston Dynamics made. Yeah, everyone is living a life, and they can’t expect sweet baby Jesus to just step in and solve all their problems. But at the same time, having problems isnt the same as choosing to have those problems which is what “voluntary” means.
If I am walking through the forest and a sink hole opens up underneath me, and I fall in and can’t get out, I am involuntarily in that hole.
That’s not how we use the word, though. Nobody calls that “involuntary” if it’s just a hole that happened to be there. If somebody put you in the hole, then it’s involuntary. The way “involuntary” is used in English, there is a connotation of an entity with a will that overrides your will.
If How to Win Friends isn’t a good book, then read a different one. There are even ones about relationships for autistic people now. Don’t complain that there are too many. That’s why we have ratings. When you say “the floodgates are open”, you’re just trying to blame somebody else for your lack of effort.
But from your description of it, I can tell that you didn’t actually try How to Win Friends. IIRC, the first lesson is “smile”. Then, there are other lessons like, “practice giving genuine compliments” and “use people’s names when talking to them.” Literally, all you have to do is follow the instructions, and you’ll have better results. But it sounds like you rejected the advice without trying it. Or in other words, no effort, blame the author and the people who recommended it. It’s really the same thing over and over.
I never blamed women for my sex life.
You literally described it that way in your first comment: “trying to figure out how to get women to have sex with me”. You could have said, “trying to figure out how to have sex with women,” but you didn’t. You phrased it that way because that’s how you think about it. You blamed the women, and you still do.
But boy howdy. You really want to compare yourself to starving subsistence farmers in Africa?
Overall, there is a lot of dishonesty in your last comment. I’m trying to figure out whether it’s that you simply refuse to admit the truth to yourself, or if you’re doing it intentionally.
That’s not how we use the word, though. Nobody calls that “involuntary” if it’s just a hole that happened to be there. If somebody put you in the hole, then it’s involuntary. The way “involuntary” is used in English, there is a connotation of an entity with a will that overrides your will.
The reason the term “involuntary” is used is to differentiate from voluntary celibates, like Catholic priests, who the cultural zeitgeist most readily associates with the word “celibate”. You’re reading too much into it.
Don’t complain that there are too many. That’s why we have ratings. When you say “the floodgates are open”, you’re just trying to blame somebody else for your lack of effort.
You phrased it that way because that’s how you think about it. You blamed the women, and you still do.
So you are saying I’m lazy, and also misogynistic… Seems weirdly antagonistic for what is essentially a semantics argument. Like, seriously, I’m giving you my personal lived experience, and you’re putting words in my mouth and calling me names. You’re clearly getting way too worked up over this, so I’m gonna end this conversation before your temper tantrum gets worse.
This is a social problem, so the solution is to look at what successful people do and copy that.
This is how the pick up artist community started. Be careful what you wish for.
Literally just saying how things are, not how I wish them to be. The straightforward and obvious solution for one person is often not the best, in general. But it’s still a solution for that person.
Incel is just a pejorative that makes them get even more blackpilled. Use “emotionally unstable” or even “constitutionally weak”, because if they knew the real issue, they’d be more predisposed to actually fixing themselves so that they can also get laid.
Also, legalize sex work. Just get them laid. Watch the alt right and fascism crash harder than a drunk driver speeding at night.
‘don’t call me incel or I’ll meme even harder’
XD
They’ll remind isolated with weakened impulse control because of ignoring their mental health - which is the problem I was eluding to.
But hey, your cathardic Schadenfreude is all that matters. I wonder what that says about you.
You joke, but this is what actually goes through their heads.
I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what goes through their heads. Been making a damn near academic study of them since stormfront took over 4chan
Sex ain’t gonna fix 'em.
but it will make them less celabete
But it won’t make them better people.
Therapy will though, which is why framing and semantics are important.
Then again, I’m a humanist. I humanize.
Pretty fucked up to think that sex workers should be subjected to a bunch of misogynists.
There’s a disconnect with capitalism and culture. Getting laid isn’t going to fix that.
Sex workers can choose their clients, if they want to take a misogynists money, what the fuck business is it of yours?
See… you’re pretty much aggressively agreeing with me and that’s fucking ridiculous, but also clown shit.
In this thread a bunch of people are suggesting that sex workers would/ should take on clients that have a higher than average probability of hurting them… failing to acknowledge the fact that sex workers may or may not take on a particular client.
The overall sentiment behind the comments like that is putting an obligation on to sex workers, “fuck this guy and save the world.”
Sex workers can say, “no” to a potential client just as well as they can say “yes.”
There’s also several places that already have legal sex workers; yet here we are with this problem.
Also, why do we assume that them having sex with a sex worker will magically fix the serious mental issues they’re facing? Will they suddenly become likeable dudes that women want to be with after that sex worker experience? I’m pretty sure Elon has had sex with a few sex workers. Let’s ask him…
Sex Euros should be subject to protections under the law, including the law, the courts and the healthcare system - rather than subject to persecution, ostracization and having to fend for themselves outside of the law. They’d rather want sex motels decked with panic buttons and security on guard.
Think before you assume you’re actually concerned for someone’s well being, and if you think continued illegality will somehow eradicate sex work - let me remind you that it hasn’t worked thus far. Please reconsider your stance.
Again, just because a bunch of assholes on lemmy think that sex workers should bear the burden of fixing the worlds’ incles; doesn’t mean I need to agree with that idea.
If they want to take that task upon themselves; that’s their call. If they don’t want to take that task on, that’s also their call.
You’re going on about the legality of sex work… different discussion.
No, it was a side argument regarding mental health. Fixing mental health is an everybody issue, especially when people are products of their environment. Having a healthy sex life is part and parcel of improving mental health, on top of exercise, a good diet and actually handling or leaving toxic environments.
You’re not able to see my main point because you want people to suffer, because you think they deserve to suffer, because you want to feel superior and calling me an asshole indirectly at the same time because you’re too much of a pussy to tell me directly.
So the only asshole I see here is you.
Fixing mental health is an everybody issue
No, it’s really not. People with mental health issues have absolutely no fucking business trying to fix some other person’s mental health issues. It’s NOT your place to tell individuals what they should or should not be doing. It’s NOT your place to tell people how to live their lives.
You’re not able to see my main point because you want people to suffer,
What in the hell is wrong with you? You’re the one who wants to force sex workers into fucking incels “to benefit society.”
because you think they deserve to suffer,
LMFAO - show me where that is in anything I’ve said… I’ll be waiting.
because you want to feel superior and calling me an asshole indirectly
If it makes you happier to call you an asshole directly - fine, you’re an asshole and I think you’re dumber than dog shit too.
