A 2025 Tesla Model 3 in Full-Self Driving mode drives off of a rural road, clips a tree, loses a tire, flips over, and comes to rest on its roof. Luckily, the driver is alive and well, able to post about it on social media.
I just don’t see how this technology could possibly be ready to power an autonomous taxi service by the end of next week.
“I’m confident that Save full self driving (SFSD) will be ready next year”
you do get this wrong, its a flying car
This represents the danger of expecting driver override to avoid accidents. If the driver has to be prepared enough to take control in an accident like this AT ALL TIMES, then the driver is required to be more engaged then they would be if they were just driving manually, because they have to be constantly anticipating not just what other hazards (drivers, pedestrians,…) might be doing, they have to be anticipating in what ways their own vehicle may be trying to kill them.
Absolutely.
I’ve got a car with level 2 automation, and after using it for a few months, I can say that it works really well, but you still need to be engaged to drive the car.
What it is good at… Maintaining lanes, even in tricky situation with poor paint/markings. Maintaining speed and distance from the car in front of you.
What it is not good at… Tricky traffic, congestion, or sudden stops. Lang changes. Accounting for cars coming up behind you. Avoiding road hazards.
I use it mostly like an autopilot. The car takes some of the monotonous workload out of driving, which allows me to move my focus from driving the car to observing traffic, other drivers, and road conditions.
Why someone will be a passenger in self-driving vehicle? They know that they are a test subjects, part of a “Cartrial” (or whatever should be called)? Self-Driving is not reliable and not necessery. Too much money is invested in something that is “Low priority to have”. There are prefectly fast and saf self-driving solutions like High-speed Trains.
I have no idea, I guess they have a lot more confidence in self driving (ESPECIALLY Tesla) than I do.
self driving is the future, but im glad im not a beta tester.
You’re probably right about the future, but like damn, I wish they would slow their roll and use LiDAR
Elon Musk decided they absolutely would not use lidar, years ago when lidar was expensive enough that a decision like that made economic sense to at least try making work. Nowadays lidar is a lot cheaper but for whatever reason Musk has drawn a line in the sand and refuses to back down on it.
Unlike many people online these days I don’t believe that Musk is some kind of sheer-luck bought-his-way-into-success grifter, he has been genuinely involved in many of the decisions that made his companies grow. But this is one of the downsides of that (Cybertruck is another). He’s forced through ideas that turned out to be amazing, but he’s also forced through ideas that sucked. He seems to be increasingly having trouble distinguishing them.
He’s forced through ideas that turned out to be amazing, but he’s also forced through ideas that sucked.
He’s utterly incapable of admitting that one of his ideas is garbage.
There is a reason he fawns all over Trump and that’s because both of them are of a type. Both of them have egos large enough to have their own gravitational fields but lack any real talent. Look his family up, they’re all like that.
They removed their lidar sensors after the prices had already come down.
Musk has drawn a line in the sand and refuses to back down on it.
From what I heard the upcoming Tesla robotaxi test cars based on model Y are supposed to have LIDAR. But it’s ONLY the robotaxi version that has it.
He seems to be increasingly having trouble distinguishing them.
Absolutely, seems to me he has been delusional for years, and it’s getting worse.
He really hasn’t. He purchased companies that were already sitting on profitable ideas. He is not an engineer. He is not a scientist. He has no training in any design discipline. He takes credit for the ideas of people he pays. He takes credit for the previous achievements of companies he’s purchased.
What is it going to fucking take for people to finally actually see the grifter for what he is? He’s never had a single good fucking r&d idea in his life 🙃 he has wasted billions of dollars researching and developing absolutely useless ideas that have benefited literally no one and have not made him any money. It is absolutely incredible how powerful his mythos is, that people still believe him to be or have been some kind of engineer or something. He’s a fucking racist nepo baby. He’s never done a single useful thing in his life. He wasn’t the sole individual involved in creating PayPal (and was entirely unrelated in turning it into the successful business it became), he didnt found tesla nor is he responsible for any of the technological developments it made (except for forcing his shitty charger design that notoriously breaks down and charges at half the speed that competitors do), he did not found SpaceX and by all metrics involved has been loathed by everyone at the company for the past decade for continuously committing workers rights violations and fostering a racist sexist and ableist work environment. The man has done nothing but waste people’s time stoking his ego and sexually abusing a slew of employees for the past 2 and a half decades.
Self driving via cameras IS NOT THE FUTURE!! Cameras are basically slightly better human eyes and human eyes suck ass.
Why was the driver not paying attention and why didn’t they just steer it back into the lane? It’s not called “Full Self Driving (Supervised)” for no reason. Hopefully Tesla get all the telemetry and share why it didn’t stay on the road, and also check if the driver was sleeping or distracted.
Watch the video. Happens insanely quickly. And on straight road that should be no issue so person’s guard was down
Watched it. Is there even any evidence that it was in FSD mode?
Can you prove that it wasn’t in self driving mode? Since you are being so inept about a technology that has had several other reports doing the same thing. You are defending the car which is a known POS.
The claim is that it was in SFD. Where’s the evidence?
That’s not how that works, New-account-with-negative-2500-karma. You supply evidence for your own claims, others can review the evidence.
The claim was that FSD did this, but no evidence was provided to say it did.
My claim is that there’s no evidence to show FSD was enabled.
The fact that many other Teslas have done the behavior that is reported. Are you new to how facts work?
That’s not evidence lol. The claim is that FSD did this, but no evidence was provided to show that it was.
The owner of this Tesla could have also posted the internal cabin camera footage. Wonder why they didn’t?….
You hardly qualify as a person actually looking for “evidence”. You are a sad, pathetic loser looking for attention in negativity rather than having an actual conversation. That’s why your history is the way it is.
In the kindest way possible, fuck off. I don’t care what a piece of shit such as yourself thinks about anything.
Elon took the wheel because that person made a mean tweet about him
Full Self-Destruct
Anything outside of a freshly painted and paved LA roads at high noon while it’s sunny isn’t ready for self drivings it seems
Actual self-driving vehicles, sure. Just not whatever the fuck Tesla is doing.
I’m not sure about even the more advanced self-driving cars. Shit gets fucked with snow and all kinds of other stuff.
Flummoxes many human drivers too tbh.
I’m confident that they all still need lots of work for advanced weather, but you’re not seeing a Waymo or a Zoox drive into a tree for no reason.
Or silly tunnels you can’t get out of.
Tunnels are extra dangerous. Not because of the likelihood of an accident, but because of the situation if an accident happens. It blocks the tunnels easily, fills it with smoke, and kills hundreds.
Except newly built tunnels in rich countries.
The worst part is that this problem has already been solved by using LIDAR. Vegas had fully self-driving cars that I saw perform flawlessly, because they were manufactured by a company that doesn’t skimp on tech and rip people off.
Are those the ones that you can completely immobilize with a traffic cone?
You say that like it’s a bad thing lol if it kept going, that cone would fly off and hit somebody.
Probably Zoox, but conceptually similar, LiDAR backed.
You can immobilize them by setting anything large on them. Your purse, a traffic cone, a person :)
Probably makes sense to be a little cautious with the gas pedal when there is an anything on top the vehicle.
That and if you just put your toddler on the roof of the car or something or trunk for a quick second to grab something from your pocket…VROooOMMM baby gone.
Do I need to pay extra for that feature?
Nope! That one’s free.
Yes lol
A human also (hopefully anyway) wouldn’t drive if you put a cone over their head.
Like yeah, if you purposely block the car’s vision, it should refuse to drive.
The same is true when you put a cone in front of a human driver’s vision. I don’t understand why “haha I blocked the vision of a driver and they stopped driving” is a gotcha.
Lidar doesn’t completely solve the issue lol. Lidar can’t see line markings, speed signs, pedestrian crossings, etc. Cars equipped with lidar crash into things too.
I oversold it in my original comment, but it still performs better than using regular cameras like Tesla did. It performs better in weather and other scenarios than standard cameras. Elon is dumb though and doesn’t think LiDAR is needed for self-driving.
Let me guess……you watched mark rober’s video? Lol
I wouldn’t really called it a solved problem when waymo with lidar is crashing into physical objects
NHTSA stated that the crashes “involved collisions with clearly visible objects that a competent driver would be expected to avoid.” The agency is continuing its investigation.
It’d probably be better to say that Lidar is the path to solving these problems, or a tool that can help solve it. But not solved.
Just because you see a car working perfectly, doesn’t mean it always is working perfectly.
Yikes. Glad they’re ok
Ditto! They were about 1 foot from hitting the tree head on rather than glancing off, could have easily been fatal. Weirdly small axises of random chance that the world spins on
I still don’t understand what made it happen. I kept watching shadows and expecting it to happen earlier.
They seriously need to pull FSD if it were just a matter of people risking their own lives I wouldn’t mind but they’re risking everyone else’s by driving this glitch machine around.
It makes no damn sense! There were worse shadows. it was totally unpredictable
I thought it might be following the tire tracks but no. It just decided to veer completely off.
There’s some difference in the fences on the left side at the exact time the car passed by on the other lane. My guess is that the timing of the other car made the software interpret those changes in the input as something moving instead of simply something being different.
The problem with automation is complacency. Especially in something that people already have a very hard time taking seriously like driving where cell phone distraction, conversations, or just zoning out is super common.
“Kill me” it said in a robotic voice that got slower, glitchier, and deeper as it drove off the road.
EXTERMINAAAAAATE!!!
I fear the day I’m on the receiving end of a “glitch.” It’s ridiculous that anyone can think these are safe after how many of these videos I’ve seen.
As a motorcyclist… Yeah.
