Didn’t Israel overstep and attack Iran’s embassy in Syria? Why are we defending Israel against retaliation for their own stupidity?
I guess because we’ll do ANYTHING for dear Israel. When I say we I mean the west broadly speaking, no soy americano
It’s amazing, isn’t it? It’s like they have blackmail material against the whole west. Like some sort of universal western governmental kompromat.
Very relevant darknet diaries episode:
There are other episodes on Israel’s Spyware as well.
Why are we defending Israel against retaliation for their own stupidity?
Because Joe Biden is the president and he unconditionally supports israel.
Yes. They attacked and then were like you better not attack us in retaliation! Neener neener!
And if you criticize us you’re antisemitic. More neener neener!
Are we only now calling Iran antisemitic?
Are we only now calling Iran antisemitic?
No. We are only now starting to call Israel and Zionism antisemitic.
It takes a while, but the truth always catches up.
Well the word antisemitic unfortunately is now used for anything by Israel for anything against them, even though their leaders are committing atrocities in retaliation for atrocities. A lot of Israelis don’t like what nethanyahu is doing and a lot of Palestinians don’t like what Hamas is doing.
They didn’t “overstep” . They committed an act of war. It’s as simple as that. And now the yanks want to help them start an illegal war. .
We do not want this. It’s being done against our wishes
What are you doing to prevent it? If you’re doing nothing, then you do want this.
Not calling you out specifically.
I’m so sick of this answer. It’s not always possible for me as an individual to do something about this. People in the US cannot be easily motivated to force gov to do anything. The bulk of the nation has it good enough they won’t riot and force change.
It doesn’t mean action isn’t being taken or is not desired.
The point of my comment is trying to show solidarity with the nation / entity that’s being shit on. You don’t have to be a dick because I can’t stop a 300+million person nation to change but want to show support and empathy.
That just sounds like cowardice and laziness. There are lots of people doing things, and you can’t come up with even the smallest bit of effort.
Attend a protests. They’re usually on the weekend. Tell other people you went to a protest. It signals that it’s okay to talk about Israel and their crimes against humanity.
Change doesn’t happen easily, but it snowballs over time. Do something! I’m doing it right now.
It may be against your wishes, but it’s being done anyway.
The governments of the world are run by sociopaths. The idea of democratic/federal/republican governance is not inherently evil. The people and syndicates who’ve siezed power most certainly are.
Biden is acting the same way Trump would (nominally): our (the billionaire class) interests are paramount. Netanyahu’s naked aggression is aligned with our sociopathic ruling class’s interests.
Our military commanders are wilfully neglecting their duty to our republic and remaining passive or silent about the legality of our country’s enabling of Israeli escalation.
Our only hope seems to be Trump and Biden dying of age-related diseases or conditions, and younger voices of reason step in to guide our foreign policy.
My forlorn hope, in the face of continuing catastrophe.
The governments of the world are run by sociopaths.
They’ve always been run by these kinds of people. Which means this…
The idea of democratic/federal/republican governance is not inherently evil.
…cannot be true, can it? After all, these kinds of people created “democratic/federal/republican governance” exactly for this purpose, didn’t they?
The Greeks created democracy, though. They were the first to think of a government where the people have a say in the managers of their affairs and resources. Would you really say the ancient Greeks were sociopaths?
The Greeks created democracy, though
No, they didn’t. The Greeks just argued about it a lot, wrote those arguments down and invented a term for it - a term we still use. The idea that people should have power over their own affairs is as old as human civilization itself - if it wasn’t, kings and emperors wouldn’t have had to invent all those creative methods of terrorizing people into submission, would they?
Would you really say the ancient Greeks were sociopaths?
People in ancient Greece weren’t a monolith.
They’ve always been run by these kinds of people.
No. Not always.
After all, these kinds of people created “democratic/federal/republican governance” exactly for this purpose, didn’t they?
Exclusively sociopathic people didn’t conceive of the idea of democratic/federal/republican governance, or put another way, governance with distributed authority and consent of the governed.
I don’t know what you’re trying to say, but, all I have is a general sense of “Wtf are you talking about?”.
No. Not always.
I’m afraid the answer is yes. Pick any of these (alleged) “Great Men” who (supposedly) “represented” us in the past and I’ll point out how they pushed us to the disasterous conditions we are facing today.
Exclusively sociopathic people didn’t conceive of the idea of democratic/federal/republican governance,
Take the US as an example of how it’s (supposedly) “democratic” system of governance was designed from the ground up to be decidedly anti-democratic. If you want to see capitalists and fascists glorify this fundamental aspect of US history, click here. This should not surprise you - being anti-democratic is about as right-wing as it gets.
The idea of democracy itself, and it’s embrace by masses of people long, long before the ancient Greeks gave it a name is not the result of this malady you speak of - but the powerful elites that co-opted it certainly was and still are.
We’re like the college-age big brother of the school bully. If you try to stand up to the bully, we’ll come kick your ass because no matter how much of a little prick he is, he’s family and we’ve got his back.
This is a great analogy.
So what if our little brother was more than just a prick? A stray punch thrown during a fight knocks some innocent kids’ teeth out? What if he killed someone one day by pushing them around too hard? How do you deal with that when the cops are too busy and your parents aren’t home?
I wish we, as College-Bro, would quit blindly defending our “family” and start thinking about the recipients. Our little bully brother needs to be grounded for a while like our Russian cousin.
My real question: how would you ground a child holding a loaded gun?
A first step would be to stop giving him more guns
Why are we defending Israel against retaliation for their own stupidity?
Israel is more important to the American government that American citizens.
It’s why we still support Israel, despite it being one of the main reasons for 9/11.
Wait, what’s the Israeli connection to 9/11?
Or did you mean Saudi Arabia?
Osama Bin Laden’s letter “To the American People.”
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ubl2016/english/To the American people.pdf
As for us, our Iraq was invaded in response to pressure from capitalists with greed for black gold, and you continue to support the oppressive Israelis in their occupation of our Palestine in response to pressures on your administration by a Jewish lobby backed by enormous financial capabilities.
They threw hundreds of thousands of soldiers against us and have formed an alliance with the Israelis to oppress us and occupy our land; that was the reason for our response on the eleventh.
It’s crazy how few people know this in 2024. It should be a lesson to you all about how much information is being manipulated on all sides.
Would you say that Bin Laden was a good man?
I don’t know enough about him to make that call.
What a weasel response.
Not really.
It takes a mature person to admit he doesn’t know.
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He didn’t do that though and you’re just grasping at straws to avoid accepting information you don’t like.
I see it all the time.
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Why are all my comments get removed but none of his?
What’s going on with these mods, lol.
Yeah.
You’re the kind of person who believes whatever they like.
That’s my point.
That does not mean he was right.
Soooo… where is the lie, exactly?
Here?
you continue to support the oppressive Israelis in their occupation of our Palestine
Or here, perhaps?
They threw hundreds of thousands of soldiers against us and have formed an alliance with the Israelis to oppress us and occupy our land;
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You still haven’t pointed out his (alleged) lie, hasbara.
Will this be taking you long?
Didn’t Israel overstep and attack Iran’s embassy in Syria?
You mean that thing Israel has been doing since 1948?
Yes. Yes they did.
Why are we defending Israel against retaliation for their own stupidity?
It’s not stupidity. It’s impunity.
