Mayor Joseph Petty called the incident “devastating”: “As someone who prides themselves on leading a welcoming city, I am devastated to hear about the separation of a family, especially with Mother’s Day around the corner. The fear of ICE tearing a family apart is the worst nightmare of so many in our city.”
Mayor makes a phone call to the DA, then.
City Police were on the scene and instead of stopping the kidnapping by ICE they subdued citizens trying to stop it. Get fucked Mayor Petty.
Mayor should stop talking about his feelings and get off his tail and do something about it.
That’s the ticket! Mob justice! Time to show that the general public and more importantly neighborhoods aren’t going to take this tyrannical crap!
without showing a warrant
I’m so tired of the legalist caveat, implying a Trump judge rubber stamping warrants for these gestapo shits would have made kidnapping and torturing a woman and her infant child acceptable.
The war for ethics has been lost decades ago. Legality is fickle and often unjust but it’s all that people have at this point.
It isn’t. The modern law is a fig leaf over naked plutocracy and apartheid.
It’s what we have in the same way a knife in your back is something you have
And yet people would rather hold on to a terrible status quo than risk it. Especially in times of desperation, and as long as they’re aware things could be worse (for them personally).
It’s the big catch-22 of modern civics and political engagement. Terrible conditions make many people look towards the systems and rulers that bring about those terrible conditions.
But it does highlight that any random brute could put on a mask and do this with no authorization whatsoever. It’s a fundamental human-rights and rule-of-law breakdown to fail to present a warrant. I agree that a warrent doesn’t ethically make the requests anything short of monstrous, though. That kind of legalist can suck eggs.
But it does highlight that any random brute could put on a mask and do this with no authorization whatsoever
I believe this a part of the plan.
We also need to stop using the word “arrest” when it comes to ICE. As you said, these are kidnappings.
The woman’s teen daughter was left holding the woman’s baby and stood in front of the car in an apparent attempt to stop it. After handing the child to another person, she allegedly kicked the car—and was also reportedly arrested on four charges, including child endangerment. Police have not disclosed what happened to the baby afterward.
fuck you
Pure evil.
Yeah i think she was the one endangering the child not the fucking trump SS agents
It’s a classic cop routine:
- Step 1: do some violence
- Step 2: realize it looks kinda bad, look around and arrest somebody else for what they just did
- Step 3: profit (time and a half for their trouble)
1: always be on lookout for slightest challenge to authority
2: arrest whoever possible
Obviously we’ve seen videos where the opposite is true too, not an absolutist, but ya def the MO for many
And the mayor had the audacity to say they don’t agree with what ICE did.
That’s great, but maybe get your police force to stop enabling their actions.
Even better, have your police force enforce the damn law. Arrest these men when they try to kidnap people without a warrant.
Yeah, police have a ton of latitude when they decide who to press which charges on and who they just let go with warnings or whatever, choosing to throw child endangerment at this girl is just straight up trolling
Like getting blood on a uniform and getting ‘assaulting an officer’ added
Based
Cursed cameraman. I’ve seen steadier shots from a schooner in a 35 foot wave.
This is Trump’s America.
Notice how she speaks perfect English. This is clearly someone who doesn’t belong in the US /s
What a fucking joke of a country.
Speaking English isn’t a requirement to be in the country.
Tell that to the long haul truckers being arrested for not speaking English.
It’s not a requirement but it’s a good indication that she’s been in the country for a long time, it’s not like she just snuck in illegally from her home country. That was my point.
Yet
This won’t stop until the job becomes too dangerous for them to do.
With how many people open carry this is dangerous. If they continue to literally KIDNAP people on the streets, somebody will get shot eventually.
people have been saying this for weeks. 0 incidents so far.
Seems like gun owners are A-OK with this going on.
I just moved out of mass a year ago I used to live 15 mins from Worcester where this happened. Just last year they passed a bunch of crazy gun laws so if u didn’t already have firearms your not getting much in that state these days …
Just never look at the YouTube comments. They are HEAVILY botted.
So when you all gonna use all those guns you buy to defend yourself
The people opposed to ICE aren’t the ones that buy the guns.
What a cop out. Every citizen has the same access. For years you have had very good reason to arm and train yourselves. Your country is where it is because you all refuse to fight for it. Rather blame everything you can.
Mmmhm.
Every citizen has the same access
sad California noises
While California does have a lot more regulation around guns, I don’t think it’s necessary prohibitive. As much as the right claims it is.
We’ve got a written test, takes all of 20 minutes, not difficult if you have common sense and all the questions are online.
Then you have to demonstrate to the salesman that you can safely operate the firearm (load and unload). I’d hope someone purchasing a firearm would be capable of this.
Finally there’s the 10 day cooldown period. So you can’t walk out same day with the gun. I do think this one is kinda annoying. It totally makes sense for your first gun, but why do I have to wait every time?
The rest just comes down to model and configuration availability. Restricted to the handgun roster, but there’s still a decent amount available. Restricted to 10 round magazines, I don’t like this one either. And generally restricted to featureless shotguns and rifles.
But if you wanted to, you could go today and start the purchase of a featureless AR15-style rifle with a detachable 10 round magazine. And you’d pick it up 10 days from now. So I don’t think it’s extremely prohibitive.
That’s the state level laws, but many local jurisdictions are much more restrictive.
I’m not aware of any significant local laws in CA. Other than the SF law outlawing sales.
Which one are you referring to?
The SF law (that’s where I live), various “may issue” concealed carry permit policies, extra taxes, local ordinances banning renters from having firearms in the home or in their car, it’s just a litany of small encroachments that add up to great difficulty.
You are wholefully incorrect. There is a lot of people on both sides that own guns. America has more guns then it has people. Sooooo no.
America also has more cows than it has people, and lego is the largest tire manufacturer in the world. While true that some liberals also own guns, for example I am a liberal and I own a gun, I’m not sure how it’s relevant beyond that (admittedly) situationally self-evident truth. Gun culture is centered around, and the vast majority of firearms are owned by, conservatives.
Ok dude some bright examples there you got.
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Ayyyy welcome to Lemmy!
In case that dude/person’s opinions suck we’re generally a lil nicer than reddit which is great for all of us
To be fair, it did bring me laughter on an otherwise very depressing day. So I’m grateful to them for that at least.
Wait, did those examples seem irrelevant to you?
I don’t think that’s correct. Plenty of us on the left have firearms, we just don’t make it our entire personality.
I’d very much like to see a similar study done more currently, but I can’t turn one up from my halfhearted looking around.
That only measures people that record it. You don’t need any paperwork, other than a written receipt that you keep, submitted to the government in a lot of states if you buy from a person and not a store.
It’s a survey, by definition it only counts people that record the information in question. That’s the fundemental premise to the entire field of statistics.
(fwiw, nobody is allowed to do any science on even the submitted records, because this country is broken. Hence why finding current info is difficult)
That has been changing. We’re not buying them as fast but we’re buying them.
Do you have a source for that? I’ve been digging around some looking for information but other than the national exit polls (which removed the question more than a decade ago I guess?) I can’t find any credible studies on it. It would be reassuring (well, kind of…) were you right, but anecdotal evidence and all that
I don’t have a source, just personal experience. We’ve started a shooting club for fun. When we started it in 2019 it was 5 of us like minded folks. We now have many members, club purchased land with ranges, and 3 of the members opened their own gun store.
I mean, that sounds awesome! Wish there was something like it in my area. It’s an inherent sampling bias to reference a liberal gun club for gun ownership rates among liberals, but that’s really cool you guys are getting so much community engagement!
That’s a shame
They won. They got exactly what they wanted, plus anybody who tried to intervene got arrested along the way. From the headline I thought it would be more like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZcoXdZeabA . There’s still massive problems here and our version of ICE have got away with a lot but thankfully nowhere near this stage
It’s better that we’re all arrested rather than do nothing but watch.
I completely agree and think you can’t arrest everyone but I don’t see that happening though. Look at the numbers on the street. If more people surrounded them so they could not physically leave, it might be different. What I see is a few brave people trying to stop them and not succeeding, and everyone else staying inside or filming from afar
There were more than 25 people on the scene protesting and asking for warrants etc. this was on very scant notice. I’d call that pretty decent turnout. Then there was a much larger march down the streets of Worcester. Read some of the independent reports. They corroborate and tell an aligned narrative.
That’s why guns exists and your right to use them also exists. The 2nd amendment has never been more important then now…last time it was in the 1860s…
Yep cause the moment they arrest everyone the leeches will die like every other fucking parasite without a host.
But what if they made Internet posts about guillotines while they watched?
It’s a start. People see others standing up, so they will, too, and it will grow. Eventually we will reach a tipping point.
We should praise the act of defiance, without regard for the outcome. They won this time, but not without a fight. Soon they will have a fight every time. Then they will have to choise between escalating, or finding a new strategy. Either way, they are being forced to react involuntarily.
And is the mayor’s office and the district attorney’s office inundated with calls from their constituents demanding accountability for the behaviour of the local police here? Are there locally elected officials being shouted at by their constituents into taking action to thwart, delay, frustrate ICE operations?
“A republic IF YOU CAN KEEP IT”
“put their hands on federal agents and Worcester officers.”
They put their disgusting little hands on the officers, they deserve to be shot!
The officers do, indeed, deserve to be shot.
Maybe installing a government run by neo-Nazis was a bad idea?
Why aren’t Americans shooting at ICE agents. It’s that what the 2nd amendment was for?
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You’re right. That’s extremely hard to believe.
Sending Americans off to south American death camps is cool though, right?
If this article is any indication clearly some people are against that as well
Right, but if you start shooting, then you’re 100% dead, and for what? A 10pm news blip? Defend yourself, but dont commit suicide for nothing. Organize and resist.
You’re going to “organize and resist” while the USA quietly slips into an authoritative regime.
Then it will be too late.
Dying for nothing doesn’t help the cause either. What do you suggest? Start killing ICE agents on site? How long do you really think you would last?
Where are all those brave Americans chastising the cowardly Russians for not standing up to Putin’s bullshit? What happened? I thought you were all armed to the teeth, and brave as fuck? But now somehow everyone suddenly has become so damn sensible in assessing the threats to themselves personally. I wonder what changed. No longer gong ho about revolution when it comes with personal costs, are we? Who would’ve thought…
But someone did try to take out Trump, unlike cowardly Russians who can’t even stand.
Dying for nothing doesn’t help the cause either.
Is it for nothing?
The USA is a failing country right now. It won’t be coming back from this without intervention.
Protests will not fix the problem because the people in charge don’t care about the laws. They’re on course to start rounding up people they don’t like and shipping them off to black sites. They’re already talking about arresting democrats.
The USA is currently fucked and unless you can ramp up your actions against the current regime, it’s lost.
