And their planes made with scrap parts are still flying around.
Edit: A lot of new .world users showing up with ChatGPT responses about how this was a conspiracy, reminds me of an article i read this week.
https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/657978/reddit-ai-experiment-banned
Yes but won’t anybody think of Shareholder Value?!!
who I do remember is Brock Turner, yes that guy… the rapist Brock Turner. who now goes by the name of Allen Turner. that guy
You mean the pathetic rapist Brock Turner, who now goes by Allen Turner (also a pathetic rapist)?
Well I certainly won’t be purchasing any Boeing products in the near future.
I mean, good luck getting across the country without any airplane tickets.
Ah yes “the country” that everyone lives in
surely by “the country” you mean 1 of the european ones with easy access to a fantastic network of very comfortable and fast high speed rail
It’s not that difficult. Just takes some extra time.
Just fly an airline that doesn’t use Boeing that much like Frontier, Avelo, Hawaiian Airlines, JetBlue, Spirit.
I’d rather support murder than fly Spirit.
About a week before OOP’s post the openAi whistleblower also died mysteriously https://apnews.com/article/openai-whistleblower-suchir-balaji-death-283e70b31d34ebb71b62e73aafb56a7d
or y’know, they didn’t.
honestly, you’re not being downvoted for your opinion. you’re being downvoted because you’re just being contrarian without providing anything at all to substantiate your stance. you might have well just wrote “lol” or something else just as asinine. no offense, of course
Lol what? There’s no evidence this happened. It’s up to the conspiracy theorists to provide evidence, which they never do. You cant just be like, prove that DIDNT happen!! Like hello? Has this entire comment thread lost its collective mind? Does truth and evidence mean nothing?
A guy who specifically stated he wasn’t suicidal and had no plans to end his life shot himself in the back of the head outside the comfort of his home a day or two before he was supposed to testify about Boeing putting scrap parts in their planes.
Lol ok
i really don’t think so. that’s not how downvoting works and you know that lmao. i made people mega mad because i don’t believe Boeing murdered a guy, like cut the shit. you can read his suicide note and see his handwriting and his thoughts. i didn’t think to post that??? i thought contributing skepticism was at least an acceptable comment but excuse me for breaking some weird internet etiquette.
i’m not surprised, but you’re missing my point. that said, you accidentally provided what i was talking about. don’t judge the community on your first comment - judge them on how well this one shakes out.
edit - to quote obscureprodigy@pawb.social:
i really don’t think so. that’s not how downvoting works and you know that lmao. i made people mega mad because i don’t believe Boeing murdered a guy, like cut the shit. you can read his suicide note and see his handwriting and his thoughts. i didn’t think to post that??? i thought contributing skepticism was at least an acceptable comment but excuse me for breaking some weird internet etiquette.
(btw i upvote all your comments strictly so that other people can see how much of an ass you are)
i don’t know what point you’re trying to make and i don’t care.
of course you don’t, and that’s entirely the point. now, don’t you have some gooning to do?
…what lmao. that’s your attempt at roasting me? alright.
nope, just saying goodbye.
edit: i love you sweet bae
He only needed to love his family more than he wanted to slap down an abusive corporation
Impossible to know. Conspiracies happen. So do suicides.
it’s really not. the suicide note is available to see. it’s his handwriting and genuinely reads like his own thoughts.
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i don’t know wtf you’re talking about, sorry.
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But one ceo gets killed and the polic and fbi go all in
they’re just doing their job. protecting the interests of big business and the wealthy.
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This is honestly a subject I get annoyed about. The US has ‘whistleblower’ protections but it’s really not there. This isn’t a black-op opp, it’s a failure of protections/proper compensations for blowing the whistle. Imagine you’ve spent your whole life dedicated to one field of engineering. You’ve now sacrificed it to blow the whistle. It’s not fair, nor is it just, but that’s what happens.
Boeing has done so much wrong that it honestly feels negligent to focus on a perceived assassination. And it directs attention away from how whistleblowers could be protected
He wasn’t rich enough for anyone to care about.
I mean, fuck Boeing and the death still seems suspicious. But to claim that there was no police investigation is just lying. Suspect a cover-up or frame or whatever if you want, but seems like there was a pretty thorough investigation: https://www.wdbj7.com/2024/05/18/police-release-investigation-report-boeing-whistleblower-death/
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You’ve misread the passive language here. ‘no prints were recovered’ can mean that they tried to find prints and couldn’t, or that they never even bothered to try getting prints off the gun.
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I’ll admit, this irks me in mystery shows. Those don’t seem like something you’d reliably get.
“Sir, just as you predicted, we found the kitchen knife in the third drainage grate of the northern side of the city sewage system, wrapped loosely in five layers of cheesecloth, wadded with human waste. And, we’ve performed a DNA and fingerprint analysis on the handle. The prints perfectly match your suspect, sir!”
Also, people need to understand that not everything you touch will 100% have your fingerprints.
It could also mean no print were recovered other than his obviously which they may have just not bothered to mention
Yeah that’s the obvious answer here, his finger was on the gun so his prints were there too…
Let me get this straight. You think somebody else wiped down the fingerprints on the gun, shot him, and then stuck his finger on the trigger without thinking about creating any fingerprints? Does seem like someone half-assed the wrong step of that operation…
Somebody wiped it. Even if the victim had prior to the act, there would still be his prints. So it seem to have been wiped after the shot.
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like by threatening his family
Exactly. Boeing investors/management maybe didn’t kill anybody. They simply asked him if he loved $familyMember1 ($age, $location, $bestFriend), $familyMember2 ($age, $location…)…
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An unpopular opinion, but I’m not buying a conspiracy either. The guy wanted to hurt Boeing, had just finished testifying and saw the writing on the wall that Boeing was going to walk, and decided to kill himself as a last stab at bringing attention to it. Worked like a charm too.
This is not an unpopular opinion, the people here are just unhinged. It’s the other side of the same qanon coin.
It’s only unpopular because every time someone dies that’s even tangentially associated with some corporate fuckery the internet instantly calls it an assassination. It’s absolutely stupid, but the hive mind seems to be geared to desperately want everything to be a conspiracy. No better than the conservatives making vaccines a conspiracy.
If only we had the refrence of past experiences to better predict how corporations act in the future.
Chiquita banana hired paramilitary death squads to secure their bananas and they were never punished.
The bigger conspiracy nut theory is ignoring observable reality to make corpos the good guys.
Don’t put words in my mouth.
In no way shape or form do I view corporations as “good guys”. They are greedy, destructive on multiple levels, self-serving, cold, and often straight up evil.
Nobody here has observed shit except a someone died associated with a court case against a corporation. Everything here calling it a conspiracy is conjecture and made up opinion.
The hiring of paramilitary death squads and what banana republics are is a completely different and tragic issue that extends far beyond what a single “hit” on an individual is.
Don’t suck on the words if you don’t want them in your mouth lol
You picked a side
You picked a side
Yeah. They picked truth and honesty over sensationalism.
Spreading lies about corporations doesn’t help. They’re bad enough anyways; we don’t need to make up stories about them to paint them in a bad light, they’re perfectly capable of painting themselves.
The braindead people out there who fight against you understand that playing devils advocate means you are advocating for the devil.
It’s sad that the college educated are incapable of understanding this.
Equating whistleblowers being killed to vaccine conspiracies shows how well people have been brainwashed into state obedience. Any narrative goes.
Evaluating everything as a conspiracy shows how well people have become incapable of critical thinking and applying cold logic and skepticism to both sides of the equation. Any narrative goes.
In this case there is no benefit of the doubt.
What do you think happened with Epstein?
He was not killed.
He did kill himself.
My suspicion is there were deliberate steps to take him off suicide watch and allow him the unsupervised time and means with which to kill himself. He knew he was fucked and his life was over forever coupled with scores of people wanting him dead, along with being raked over the coals to roll over on rich and powerful people. But apparently that’s not enough for people, they have to manufacture a murder.
But no, he was not murdered.
Idk if you actually believe this or not and it doesn’t really matter, if you expect anyone else to believe it you’re an incurable moron
And the cameras all suddenly failed and the guards were sleeping right? Putting the fed in fediverse.
CIA: “Mission Accomplished”
the most interesting part to me is that nowhere along the line did anyone mention just how interesting it all is. you know the real bad shit has started when the press shuts up and universities bend over and one of the richest people in the fucking world has to re-think his pricing displays because it pissed off the King.
edit to add - he put a fucking tax on british tea without congress. that’s a taxation without representation. on british fucking tea.
Jeffrey Epstein. Imagine how many people whose names you haven’t heard just randomly committed suicide one day. Or had an accident. Or just disappeared.
Victoria Giuffre more recently in regards to Epstein.
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Yeah I know. Sadly this doesn’t get any bigger media representation.
I had thought she was in renal failure and her ex husband wouldn’t let her see her kids
A lot of new .world users showing up with ChatGPT responses about how this was a conspiracy
Reminds me of the Epstein thing. It could be AI. But people do love their conspiracy theories, too.
Unless there’s actual evidence that it’s AI, I think this is an absolutely absurd assumption to make.
I’d be more likely to believe that Boeing tried to kill him if he didn’t die
Sounds like suicide to me. I feel like Boeing is still largely at fault for bringing him to that point though.
I would hope that if I publicly proclaimed, “I have no intent to commit suicide,” before my suicide then people would…
…at a minimum, state, “Brother that guy proclaimed he had no intent to commit suicide,” every time it was brought up.
…then ideally that additional scrutiny would be applied at a law enforcement level and the case would be handled with extra scrutiny.
So lacking the ideal, I’m here to remind you that just before his suicide he proclaimed, “I’m not going to commit suicide.”
I’m extremely puzzled how this isn’t brought up every time, people need to remember.
yeah that’s what they said!
doesn’t look like anything to me
There was a police investigation.
They just didn’t investigate Boeing about it because the police investigation determined they weren’t involved.
If you truly believe there should be investigations, you have to accept when the results of the investigations don’t match your expectations. That’s why we have investigations.
The military industrial company a person was whistleblowing against wasn’t investigated in the mysterious death of that person.
Yeah that’s called not doing a proper investigation.
I need to step in here with a major correction, John Barnett was not Whistleblowing. That’s not what the court case was about at all.
No, the court case was for the wrongful termination, which was a result of his whistleblowing.
This is an important distinction, because the whistleblowing was done. John Barnett had nothing more to offer authorities, because he had already turned over all the evidence he collected. That particular case was a done deal years ago.
John Barnett then sued Boeing over his wrongful termination, and some apparent black balling. (i.e. retaliatory rumormongering to prevent John from working in aerospace).
John lost the lawsuit. He then appealed that decision, and it wasn’t going well.
This is the situation that led to his suicide. Boeing 100% drove a man to kill himself. But no, they didn’t fucking hire some guy to go kill John Barnett, that would be fucking stupid.
no, they didn’t fucking hire some guy to go kill John Barnett, that would be fucking stupid.
The possibity will certainly frighten future whistle-blowers.
No.
What disincentivizes future whistleblowing is the prospect of never being able to work in your field ever again, because your boss, or rather his boss, talked to his counterpart at the other aerospace companies, so now no one will hire you.
You then drown in debt, and die penniless on the street, years or decades later. Depending on your luck.
Simply killing someone is messy. You might get caught. Ruining a man’s life to the point where he kills himself? That’s disturbingly easy.
Again, the lawsuit was not over John Barnett’s whistleblowing. That case had concluded a few years earlier, with Boeing being found in violation of some safety standards. They got a fine and John Barnett got fired. Except Boeing didn’t “Fire” him, they forced him to retire.
So John Barnett sues Boeing for wrongful termination, and loses. Boeing has some very expensive lawyers.
John appeals the loss, and that’s what this court case was about. He was giving testimony about how Boeing retaliated against him. And he obviously thought that he was going to lose again.
What disincentivizes future whistleblowing is the prospect of never being able to work in your field ever again
That’s is a standard disincentive across US industry.
Knowing that a company hounded their previous whistle-blowers to death (no matter the method) is and additional disincentive specific to Boeing.
Law enforcement would never lie.
Well of course not, they exist to protect and serve!
!.. the interests of the pedophilic corporate elite, that is.!<
protect and serve (not the people though)
Protect and Serve Capital and those who have it.
If you won’t accept the results of an investigation, then why call for one in the first place. You can do one or the other, but both is dumb. Don’t move the goalposts, just admit that you think X happened and you are now rejecting any evidence you disagree with.
Goalposts didn’t move, no evidence was provided, cope
If you truly believe there should be investigations, you have to accept when the results of the investigations
That doesn’t logically follow. It’s like insisting OJ wasn’t guilty of murder, because the criminal case didn’t stick. But he was guilty of “wrongful death” because the civil suit did stick. What kind of conclusion do we draw when the police fumble the bag and private investigators continue to turn up incriminating evidence?
And even then, you can both have an investigation (even one that turns up culprits) and still have a cover-up.
There’s even a term for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout
According to Victor Marchetti, a former special assistant to the Deputy Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), a limited hangout is “spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the clandestine professionals. When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting—sometimes even volunteering—some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further.”[
