Two gay men can’t make a da baby
2020’s aren’t over yet pal, but I hope we both make it.
Also no kids for me. I got snipped precisely because it would be unconscionable and financially impossible for me to bring a child into the world as things are now.
None. My line ends with me.
Fortunately my grand children remain unborn.
The trauma of never letting them be born
Who says I’m gonna have any children in the first place, why would I bring a human being into this shit hole without their permission
Maybe you’re just a bad person
Who am I to judge? (Unless it’s a phat rack)
The rise (and hopefully fall) of the Fourth Reich.
My crusade against advertisements, that burns harder than anything else.
None, because I’m never having children
The same as my grandparents, which was the same as their grandparents and their grandparents before that.
None. A very long time before any of this started going down, both my sister and myself informed my parents that neither of us were having children and that this particular line stops here.
Not because of any trauma (that I can remember). But we’ve both seen the state of the world and decided, with our respective partners, that forcing children into this shit-show is unconscionable.
I completely understand that kind of decision. Unfortunately its only gonna make it worse. If the people potentially making a positive impact on the world stop having children the downward spiral accelerates.
So you think the downward spiral is caused by the people in the population and not the political situation?
Worse for people who are here, yes, but not a reason to bring into being a whole new person.
Not just people
Yes and every other being is probably better off without us.
Kinda implying people born to idiot parents can’t overcome and disagree with their idiocy.
Im not saying they cant, but kids indoctrinated by racist egomaniacs are much more likely to turn out the same way.
Speaking from experience, you have to admit it IS quite rare. Like it’s probably just common enough to raise-up another frustrated, powerless minority. I do have kids, by the way, so it’s not an anti-kid rant.
Going no contact for periods of time.
I love my children so much I chose not to bring them into this fucked up world.
I’ve always thought it cruel to have children as they’re incapable of consenting to sapient existence. Add in living in America on a dying planet, and now you’re just being deliberately cruel by having kids on purpose.
The fascists have no qualms with having kids and raising them to be little fascists, too. I had kids because I wanted to love and care for people as I help them develop into capable and caring people, but I’m also glad that at least 2 of the members of the generation who will be running this planet when I’m old won’t have been raised by fascists.
I think this whole line of reasoning that it’s immoral or cruel to have children at all is just plain dumb and utterly nonsensical. Yes, there’s a lot of fucked up shit in the world. But, other than climate change, this is far from the worst the world has ever been. Brining people into the world now is not particularly worse for them than, say, having kids in Medieval Europe where there was a decent chance they’d die as an infant or get the plague, but the best case you could hope for was to give them the life of a subsistence dirt farmer. Or ancient Mesopotamia, where, again, odds are they’d die in childhood, but they couldn’t expect better than barely surviving on the edge of starvation. Etc, etc, etc.
Yet through all that people managed to find ways to improve their conditions and that of those around them. People fought and built better lives and a better world. Fuck anyone who tells me I should just give up and just resign that the world now and forever belongs to the fascists and capitalists.
Having kids is not cruel. Despite the darkness, there’s still a hell of a lot of happiness to be had in this world. I look at the expressions of pure joy on my kids’ faces as they explore the forest near our house, or when I get home from work, or when they make cookies for their mom, etc. And you’re telling me giving them that joy is cruel? How detached from reality do you have to be to believe that?
Unless there is some higher plane of existence experiencing life is inconsequential. Suffering and joy alike. Nothingness does not appreciate anything.
So I have to evaluate here on earth if the value of some joy outweighs the suffering experienced. The only case I can say that it matters, for myself, is when my own joy brought others joy. That was the only thing that was worth it.
when my own joy brought others joy. That was the only thing that was worth it.
If that’s something you truly value, then you should absolutely have kids. There is no joy greater than that which a child feels, especially one with a loving family.
I also don’t think experiencing life is inconsequential. Sure, it doesn’t have some grand cosmic consequence. Our existence has virtually 0 impact on nearly all of reality. But that’s not the only way to define something as consequential. What’s important to me is my life and the lives of those I care about (which extends far beyond just the people I know personally). My kids’ existence has been enormously consequential for many people who I care about, and my life has been enormously consequential on that of my kids.
I don’t need some grand cosmic meaning behind that. The meaning of life is whatever you choose to make of it. For me, that’s providing as much enjoyment and fulfillment to my family as I can.
Are you capable of guaranteeing these children will never suffer in their lives?
Truly the stupidest thing I’ve seen on Lemmy today, and that’s a fucking high bar to leap.
Of course not. Everyone suffers in their life at some point. That’s called being alive.
I think that’s also an absurd hurdle to insist someone has to clear.
I won’t be passing on anything, instead I will create brand new traumas!
Children beware, beware of the penny sock.
