• Buelldozer@lemmy.today
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    8 months ago

    Conservatives have been hating on the BATFE for decades. They don’t hate them because “they shoot white people too” they hate them because they are a bunch of thugs with badges who run around violently enforcing unpopular laws, many of which they create themselves.

    It’s why they refused to seat a permanent director for 16 years and continually starve them of money. There was a strong push during the Trump Presidency to abolish the BATFE and fold their duties into the FBI.

    Conservatives ain’t great but you’re wrong about why they hate them.

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      I think you’re just myopic, they hate them for all those reasons and hate CPS and the atf because they effect whites on roughly the same level as others.

      It’s level playing ground and their super upset about it, sure that ground may have a beautiful sheen of shit and muck but it’s flat as fuck.

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        8 months ago

        Yes. The BATFE is a clear an present danger to every American and has been for a very long time.

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      they hate them because they are a bunch of thugs with badges who run around violently enforcing unpopular laws, many of which they create themselves.

      What do you think “they shoot white people too” means? What you wrote here is exactly that. It’s a bunch of thugs with badges who shoot (violently enforcing) conservatives because of laws conservatives wrote. 90% of them wouldn’t give a single shit if the ATF was only shooting black people over the laws they created specifically to oppress black people. They hate that they are being targeted by their laws when those laws were intended to target others.

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        90% of them wouldn’t give a single shit if the ATF was only shooting black people over the laws they created specifically to oppress black people.

        Federal Gun laws weren’t “specifically created to oppress black people.” Some State level ones were but the Federal ones apply to everybody and Conservatives have always hated them and the Agency that enforces them. The undeniable fact is that Ol’ Whitey hated the ATF before BIPOC folks even knew that the 2nd Amendment applied to them.

        This idea that literally everything from laws to the reactionaries who are against them is racially motivated is one of the dumbest fucking things to appear online in the past decade.

        Get it straight, there is no struggle but the class struggle.

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          …the Federal ones apply to everybody…

          That’s how the racist ones work, my man. The laws apply to “everybody”, but somehow most of the enforcement is on black people. Black people aren’t in prison disproportionately because the law says “black people carrying drugs is illegal”.

          Get it straight, there is no struggle but the class struggle.

          Ahh. “No issues, but white issues.”

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          As a lefty pro-2a, you nailed it. We gun owners don’t hate the ATF because “white people get shot” we hate them because they’re fucking thugs who create their own rules.

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          Get it straight, there is no struggle but the class struggle.

          BIPOC here. Do I do that before or after I liquidate the useful idiots who got the brown shirt on for people-like-me-killing without questioning their billionaire masters?

          Don’t get it twisted yourself. You’re not wrong in the nuance. But nuance is exactly what they took out back and shot first. Doesn’t make the lies lethal.

          I get your anger, as the stupid gets in the way of real conversations regarding race–that is, that it does not matter, class does.

          By design dude. Yell out and disengage because of the “stupid” and you too become an unwitting catspaw in the class war.

          Fuck the ATF. ACAB Fuck over reach that takes autonomy for anything other than protecting the autonomy of others.

          Fuck the dragons but more than anything else, fuck the willingly complacent and the empathy pretender.

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      8 months ago

      You’re wrong.

      Proceeds to argue the exact same point the parent comment was making. Why have reading comprehension skills just fallen off a cliff amongst the general population here?

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      Preach. They unilaterally decided that a .22 rifle I bought, perfectly legally, like a few million of us, was now a “short barreled rifle” and a federal offense. That was my first taste of their bullshit.

      They invited public comment, which resulted in much, “Uh. No. BS.” And then did it anyway.

      This wasn’t like the EPA making a call to stop pollution. This was a call to make a wimpy gun a federal offense. Now we could have registered them, hell, even skipped the $200 tax stamp if done by $date.

      And if any of you see no issue with registering guns, let me leave you with this: Trump might win.