OP sounds like a jerk, but he’s not wrong. The calls for de-federation are about as ubiquitous as reports in online gaming.
De-federation should not be taken lightly. It undermines the whole point of Lemmy. It magnifies the shitty people on your server (you aren’t locked in there with them. They are locked in there with you). It promotes echo chambering and limits external viewpoints that help us form good opinions. It makes the server boring.
IMO threads should be defederated on principle. Having a massive and evil corporation like Facebook here goes completely against the spirit of the protocol.
At first I disagreed about your characterization of OP based on just this post, but then I saw the comments on this thread.
Anyways, I also think defedding will cause a problem. It might even cause this platform as a whole to fail or to have one site rise and be the main site which is the opposite of what this is all about.
I was joking and having a laugh at people who take the internet way too seriously, lighten up this place is for shitposting remember. I thought this whole thread was funny
It really, really depends on the instance’s users. So long as they’re tolerable, there’s rarely a reason to defederate. If you host mostly trolls, spam, illegal photos, or hateful content, tolerating it is unnecessary. I’m not here to interact exclusively with folks who seek only to regress my understanding, personally.
Relatedly, the most delightful folks exist on a broadly defederated instance, beehaw. Also relatedly, solarpunk hosts my second favorite userbase. You guys are fantastic.
Yeah, most instances should remain federated even if they’re somewhat distasteful. Just the extremes and harassers like Hexbear and lemmy.ml should be defederated.
I dislike lemmy.ml having an unwritten code of conduct upheld via admins but that really doesn’t extend outside their instance. Their users are largely fine so I’m fine with the instance. I do avoid their communities, though. Those are unpleasant due to the code of conduct.
It’s absolutely chock full of authoritarian propaganda and aggressive users. I abandoned an old account because they followed me around and downvoted everything I posted.
I love the idea of the Fediverse and want to see it thrive to the point where Facebook and the other corporate social media fail. I don’t think that’ll ever happen while aggressive propaganda instances like lemmy.ml are so prominent.
Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad about ran by the developers. Lemmygrad is the extreme version of ml.
I love the concept of the fediverse but there are many people who just want to troll people. It needs some diversity of ideas to be successful long term
Yeah except Echo Chamber paranoia is completely unfounded
It’s been proven that social media companies defy human social behavior and intentionally force you to see more content that will lead you to encounter “the opposing view”, not out of some inherent Grade A Grillin’ centrist urge to make everyone play nice, but because they know damn well that it drives up engagement from everyone being at each other’s throats in these forced encounters.
See also why you just cannot seem to escape tangentially seeing content related to users you blocked on Instagram or keep getting recommended users from in their social orbit that you “might know”.
The truth is that the ability to just ignore people who you don’t want to engage with is what keeps society peaceful most of the time, because going out of your way to force contact with people who disagree with you isn’t breaking down your personal barriers it’s laying the groundwork for a restraining order.
OP sounds like a jerk, but he’s not wrong. The calls for de-federation are about as ubiquitous as reports in online gaming.
De-federation should not be taken lightly. It undermines the whole point of Lemmy. It magnifies the shitty people on your server (you aren’t locked in there with them. They are locked in there with you). It promotes echo chambering and limits external viewpoints that help us form good opinions. It makes the server boring.
Don’t do it
What about threads?
IMO threads should be defederated on principle. Having a massive and evil corporation like Facebook here goes completely against the spirit of the protocol.
At first I disagreed about your characterization of OP based on just this post, but then I saw the comments on this thread.
Anyways, I also think defedding will cause a problem. It might even cause this platform as a whole to fail or to have one site rise and be the main site which is the opposite of what this is all about.
I was all ready to rush in and defend him for getting downvoted, but he’s asking for it.
I was joking and having a laugh at people who take the internet way too seriously, lighten up this place is for shitposting remember. I thought this whole thread was funny
Hexbear and to a lesser degree ML and grad evoke the fear of becoming the Nazi bar, but for tankies.
If many new users land on “all” and sees a bunch of crazy posts, and dogpiled Engel posting on every mention of the west, they are gonna just leave.
If everyone is cool being known as a home of ultra leftist, often drifting into true tankie autocrat worship, then so be it.
I’m aware who built Lemmy and so on, no need to recite the lore.
If people want to discuss defederation there’s nothing wrong with that.
It really, really depends on the instance’s users. So long as they’re tolerable, there’s rarely a reason to defederate. If you host mostly trolls, spam, illegal photos, or hateful content, tolerating it is unnecessary. I’m not here to interact exclusively with folks who seek only to regress my understanding, personally.
Relatedly, the most delightful folks exist on a broadly defederated instance, beehaw. Also relatedly, solarpunk hosts my second favorite userbase. You guys are fantastic.
Yeah, most instances should remain federated even if they’re somewhat distasteful. Just the extremes and harassers like Hexbear and lemmy.ml should be defederated.
I dislike lemmy.ml having an unwritten code of conduct upheld via admins but that really doesn’t extend outside their instance. Their users are largely fine so I’m fine with the instance. I do avoid their communities, though. Those are unpleasant due to the code of conduct.
Do you mean lemmygrad?
No, I mean lemmy.ml
It’s absolutely chock full of authoritarian propaganda and aggressive users. I abandoned an old account because they followed me around and downvoted everything I posted.
I love the idea of the Fediverse and want to see it thrive to the point where Facebook and the other corporate social media fail. I don’t think that’ll ever happen while aggressive propaganda instances like lemmy.ml are so prominent.
Lemmy.ml and lemmygrad about ran by the developers. Lemmygrad is the extreme version of ml.
I love the concept of the fediverse but there are many people who just want to troll people. It needs some diversity of ideas to be successful long term
Yeah except Echo Chamber paranoia is completely unfounded
It’s been proven that social media companies defy human social behavior and intentionally force you to see more content that will lead you to encounter “the opposing view”, not out of some inherent Grade A Grillin’ centrist urge to make everyone play nice, but because they know damn well that it drives up engagement from everyone being at each other’s throats in these forced encounters.
See also why you just cannot seem to escape tangentially seeing content related to users you blocked on Instagram or keep getting recommended users from in their social orbit that you “might know”.
The truth is that the ability to just ignore people who you don’t want to engage with is what keeps society peaceful most of the time, because going out of your way to force contact with people who disagree with you isn’t breaking down your personal barriers it’s laying the groundwork for a restraining order.