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No, it was chrome crashing. I dont use Windows
I literally only use Windows for video games these days and Steam OS is looking better and better for that.
You can also use wine and other emulators to play games.
I use Debian for video games. Haven’t had a problem yet.
Doing the same on Ubuntu myself after trying Bazzite for a couple weeks. Bazzite kept messing up SSSD and would prevent me from authenticating with my home domain.
Will definitely try SteamOS once it is fully released.
Most distros will run games just about the same as any other. No point waiting for SteamOS like it’s the golden egg.
I use Mint btw.
Buts its unique Gamescope is hard to recreate
Just install gamescope then
Thats very wrong. Its hard to get just gamescope as Login together with steam and think everything works.
I am unsure what was missing but many people get low fps when doing it by themselves while the steam deck works fine.
I’ve only used it with Heroic and had no issues
No issues doesnt mean there is no difference. Its still not the same at all.
Look into bazzite. LTT and Game Foundry have made videos about it too, and they were pleasantly surprised
Pretty much any Linux distro will work for gaming. Some just do more work for you at the beginning. Linux mint, Pop OS, Endeavor, manjaro, etc, you can game on basically any of them. After familiarizing myself I eventually swapped to Arch, but if any of the other distros I mentioned work, and you feel satisfied with it, then stick with it. Its about finding a distro you enjoy and can work around despite it’s flaws.
Yeah, some distros just make it easier for the user
I really wish sim racing worked well on Linux. The other stuff I need windows for I can work around or compromise. But the sim rig is just too damn windows dependant
Will it work running in a VM with pass through?
SteamOS will not be your best option for desktop. Stop waiting for it. It’s made for the Deck and console like experiences, not desktop. It’s immutable too, which is great for a console experience, but probably not ideal for a desktop user.
Just go download Linux now. There’s nothing special in SteamOS that you need. I use Garuda, which is Arch based (which SteamOS is also, if that matters), and has a version specifically designed for gaming. It comes with most of what you could need set up, and a tool to quickly install any packages you may want for additional things like controllers or whatever.
immutable too, which is great for a console experience, but probably not ideal for a desktop user.
What?
I know what it is, my question was more at the “not for desktop use”
I think being able to rollback is better for new users
Sure, that is an advantage. There’s a lot of advantages. I just don’t think it’s good for users willing to learn. It’s good to make sure the user can’t fuck up, but then it also limits what they can do. I think if you’ve made it here and can use a full OS currently, you should try a non-immutable distro. If it turns out you fuck it up then you can swap to something that’ll hold your hand.
Fair enough
It’s immutable too, which is great for a console experience, but probably not ideal for a desktop user.
I’ve been enjoying Fedora Atomic, personally.
Aurora DX (which is based on Fedora atomic) has been the best distro I’ve used in a long time. Immutable OSes are great for general purpose desktop use! I set up a container for each development environment and never need to worry about conflicting dependencies anymore. But yeah, I wouldn’t go with Steam OS for that. Steam works fine on pretty much any modern distro, so I don’t see any obvious benefit to using it.
I installed Bazzite on my ROG Ally to get rid of Windows. I have a gaming laptop with Windows installed for 3 games that aren’t compatible with Linux and that’s all it’s used for.
Bazzite works wonders for gaming. Nvidia cards are supposedly the one’s you will have to tinker with a bit, but everything besides VR has worked for me without needing to do a thing. Only really needed to install ALVR to get that working which took about 20-30 minutes to get set up.
You can also undervolt, overclock and all that with LACT. I believe it’s installable through the software center too if I’m remembering correctly. It fully supports Nvidia cards now.
VR is indeed a thing that keeps me chained to Windows for now. I spend a lot of time in Visual Pinball VR especially! But it’s not the biggest problem having a dual boot situation and only using Windows for games. Perhaps one day even VR will be doable in Linux and I can abandon Windows entirely. For now, it looks like my gaming sessions are going to be spied on so I better aim to impress. Heh.
I mean, I get that Microsoft is trying to compete with MacOS and its Time Machine software, but why not just start from there and add the other bits as optional to the user? lol
Time Machine is just backup software isn’t it? It’s not doing an involuntary index of all your activity and content you interact with, right?
Yes, as far as I know it just backs up the system and user files.
I’m certain this can be disabled in windows at any moment as without it loads and loads of criminal evidence would be available for discovery and litigation against the wealthiest people and businesses across the world.
A real fear is being a worker in a world with micromanagers inspecting your workweek, 3 second snapshots at a time.
Windows as is, is a valid, fast and private OS. The lack is that it is by default a bundleware, full of telemetries, spyware, services which nobody needs, trials and other crap “to improve the user experience”. All this can be gutted by an advanced user. The alternastive for those which need use Windows, is to install one of the WindowsX series, an independent modification and optimization, without all these M$ crap.
valid, fast and private OS wut?
Yes, as said, the problem isn’t the OS as is, it’s all the crap, spy- and bloatware which M$ put in it.
@Zerush @muusemuuse all of that “crap, spy- and bloatware” is baked into the OS and the only reliable way to remove it isn’t not use Windows.
The problem is 100% the OS.
It isn’t, I use currently W11 24H2 with less than 0,9GB on disk, no unwanted nettraffic shown in Portmaster. Full BOOT in less than 5 seconds and snappy responses. No problems with it, no unwanted apps in the updates or other issues. This certainly wasn’t the case as default in my new laptop. Well “un-microsofted” Windows, not even with it’s original UI.
Tools that claim to lighten windows are almost always riddled with malware. You should never ever trust them. Those project build a base of loyal users, then change and add in malware later, compromising the system.
Windows is not a system you modify like that. It’s actually surprisingly Mac like in how you have to handle it. Be responsible. Build an OS up and out, bow down and back.
The hellzerg Optimizer is FOSS and well known since years, do not confuse with proprietary tools, like those from IObit or Ashampoo, these are certainly not recommended. Anyway, also with the default Windows GodMode you can do a lot, also with the Regedit, if you know well what you do (somewhat risky)
All this can be gutted by an advanced user.
Quick way of accomplishing the “de-bloating” of windows is by 1) managing your own DNS and blocking telemetry connections network wide (quite easy to do with PiHole + Docker Engine) or 2) installing Glasswire and blocking connections on the specific device however, I believe Glasswires Firewall is subscription based so this may be a turn-off for people.
Either work and are more efficient than digging around your Windows install and finding all the different variants of the same bloatware.
I use Portmaster, there go nothing in or out without my permissions.
Ah I figured Portmaster was only for Linux, I dabbled around their software and found it quite good!
I think the reason I stopped using it in lieu of OpenSnitch was because 1) most features were locked behind a subscription and 2) already had PiHole running so the firewall wasn’t something I really needed.
Regardless thanks for letting me know it works for Windows, I’ll started recommending it over Glasswire!
There are no need of subscriptions in Portmaster, it’s FOSS. Well, the subscription is only if you want to use additional also the inbuild SPN service (optional service), which need an paid subscription like any good VPN (server cost money). I Prefer to use Portmaster over Pi-Hole, because Portmaster permits per app settings, Pi-Hole don’tm apart is way easier to setup, with already a good default settings, its almost download it, run install and peace. Then maybe open it, browse your listed apps and block their traffic if needed with an click.
Windows has a built in firewall, so why install a paid one?
Not nearly as user friendly for the non-networking types hence why I recommend one with a fancy GUI.
Edit: Also, I suspect Microsoft will do Microsoft things and hide/prevent their telemetry from being blocked, ultimately I don’t know the state of Windows right now as I’ve made the switched to Linux many years ago.
Simplewall works quite well too! And it’s free.
I don’t see anywhere where I can see the source code of that build. Not saying it’s a bad project just that I’d like more transparency.
I’m more trusting of the debloat scripts that I can read and inspect. https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat
Well, there are several methodes, WinX is one of the options and naturally can’t be OpenSource, because Windows isn’t, even not in this debloated version. As you said, there are several FOSS tools to do it, maybe the best is the hellzerg Optimizer, very capable to eliminate the bad Windows habits and apart improving the system-
Microsoft turns things back on all the time though. It doesn’t matter what you set if they can unset it whenever they want.
This is what forced me onto Linux for the first time, and permanently.
It’s partly great, mostly fine, and 10% of the time god damn fucking annoying. Mostly having to learn the fucking game of thrones factions of installing things.
But I don’t feel like there’s a piece of shit company in my computer trying to completely ruin it, so it’s a win. The positives outweigh the negatives, even as someone who wasn’t really into the idea of switching.
But even if it was half as good, it would still be an improvement, given Microsoft destroying itself.
@jaggedrobotpubes @zdhzm2pgp have you considered Mint. It’s almost as user friendly as Windows.
The only thing I haven’t been able to work out is SMB sharing which I need for my server that currently runs Windows and for my Jellyfin server.
I don’t remember what I did to get smb sharing working in Linux mint, but I do remember asking chatgpt how to do it and it definitely works for me now. Anytime I get stuck I ask chatgpt or Gemini how to do what I’m trying to do and its made my switch to mint extremely successful.
Unfortunately most users don’t care about privacy, they only move then (subscriptions) prices rises
I’m typing this on a Microsoft Surface that I flashed with Linux Mint… satisfying…
Fuuucking hell. I have to keep a laptop on win for work purposes and i just finished decrapifying 11 last night
https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links
It should have little to 0 crap since its the version used by companies
Microsoft has shown over the years they will undo your preferences if they aren’t what they prefer. They are the worst
I’m reading this on a Microsoft Surface that I flashed with Linux Mint. Quite satisfying!
Message to Microsoft:🖕
How’s that working for you? I’ve got a surface, and I like it, but I know that Windows is not exactly an efficient piece of software.
Can’t spell “copilot” without “cop”.
you can definetly spell “linux” without “cop”
I just want to tip my fellow colleagues that need to use windows for their job (and also maybe have invested thousands in pc games).
This is my favorite tool for debloating and uncrappifying and more. If you have others please reply with yours. 😊
Or install an OS without most of the crap? https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links
I use linux so idk how that is but I heard is lightweight in bs
Hey, thanks for the laptop IT guy! Yeah everyone around the office has been very welcoming, I’m happy to be here. I’m pretty handy with computers so hopefully I won’t be bothering you too much haha…. Yeah anyway, I know you just imaged this laptop, but the thing is, I really don’t like all the fluff in the Windows updates, can I instead provide my own Windows image? It’s straight from Microsoft but you get it through a site called MASS GRAVE. And then you can apply the group policies and enable the drive mapping scripts and reinstall the secure company network client infrastructure —
I think when most people mean work they mean corporate where you have zero control. I’m just happy they let me use PowerTools. At home, manually amputating pieces of Windows has been a bit fiddly but no less fiddly than what people think configuring is still like.
It’s annoying, but for most people, even among the technically inclined, it’s fine. For now. I’m more likely to pivot to Linux than to OSX eventually.
No offense, but isn’t this kinda pointless considering most of use use android phones? And don’t think Apple is any better either folks.
Well this news helped motivate me to overwrite my Windows 10 install with Linux Mint as of yesterday. So far so good.
I switched to Linux Mint a few months ago on my main PC. I do not regret it. In fact, when I need to use one of my windows PCs for something, I am instantly reminded why I switched. If you are new to Linux, there will be some bumps here and there, but it can all be overcome with some help from LLMs. I hope more people make the switch. As a windows user since 3.11, I don’t want to go back to windows now.
Took this crap off my computer and installed Fedora as my daily. If I need to run Windows, I’ll run it in a VM.
Fedora’s like the Windows of Linux.
No it’s not
Yes huh.
What aspects then? You can’t just throw out a baseless statement without justification and think others will agree with you.
Why would you assume I expect others to agree with me?
because you gave no justification for calling fedora the windows of Linux. Simple as that.
When I originally switched, I kept an ultra clean windows 2000 VM going for a solid decade. Any time I needed it, I could install stuff, do the work, and then blow away the crud that always builds up with Windows. I would suggest using the oldest version of Windows you can practically use, de-bloating it, and taking vm snapshots.
You could even firewall it using another VM or the host if you wanted. Put windows in jail, erase its memory, and cut it off from the outside world so it behaves, lol.
I have yet to need Windows for anything and I switched when my WinXP machine decided booting was too difficult.
