• chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    While I wholeheartedly agree with her message, the reality is that any employee that interrupts a company event to criticize the company until they are escorted out of the room is gonna be fired regardless of the accuracy of their statements. We should be appalled at Microsoft’s complicity in Gaza, not that they fired an employee.

    I applaud her for her stand, but she and everyone knew this would result in her termination.

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      3 months ago

      And we can be hopeful for companies to have solid principles where if they are accused of genocide that they reflect on their actions instead of firing, and hope for a future where that’s the expectation instead of apathy.

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        Don’t anthropomorphize companies. They don’t have principles. Companies are essentially nothing but incentive structures designed to maximize profits. You wouldn’t expect an algorithm or a machine to have principles so why would you expect that of a company?

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          3 months ago

          Coops are companies that are worth championing in a capitalist setting, no? While money and capitalism is ever prevalent and seemingly necessary to interact with for survival, it’s good to have an option like a coop

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          Companies aren’t inanimate objects. They’re groups of people. They absolutely do have principles, it’s just for corporations those principles are usually “fuck everything besides money”.

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      I know that’s not the intention, but saying it like that slides into apology territory.

      We should be absolutely appalled at the firing, maybe to a lesser extent, but there is no better time to point out this than during a big event.

      It’s kinda like saying ‘protestors should not disrupt public spaces’, like they have done everything else, what else do people need to wake up and draw the line?

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      No. Absolutely fuck everything about your argument against the fired employee. We should be appalled at her termination as well as Microsoft’s atrocities.

      Did you mean to say we shouldn’t be surprised that she got fired, or do you truly believe nobody should be appalled at Microsoft’s decision to fire her?

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        Name a job where interrupting a CEO’s presentation in public wouldn’t be a terminable offense. What employee handbook says “If you’ve exhausted all other internal channels and are unhappy with the company’s direction, just call out the boss in front of thousands of people and there won’t be consequences.”

        If your company is that evil and unsettling to change, you call them out and resign. Calling them out but still wanting to be paid is saying you’re okay with taking blood money as long as you’re saying it’s bad.

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          I don’t give a tenth of a rat’s shit. People gotta have a place to live, food to eat, and healthcare, and all of those require employment. Unless you can show me another employer in her field who isn’t committing or aiding atrocities, which I’m confident you cannot.

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          No. It may involve the expectation of consequences, for the sake of planning for retaliation, but anybody who condemns atrocities should also oppose retaliation against the condemnation.

          Maybe some folks commit civil disobedience with the intention of voluntarily facing the consequences, but that’s entirely up to those individuals. Even in that case, they then depend on the broader society supporting their disobedience and demanding their retaliators back down.

          Absolutely fuck everything about this “well they had it coming” apologia mindset.

    • wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org
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      Not wrong there, though I find it humorous they expected her to apologize in the dismissal letter

      • ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        I don’t see the humor in it anymore. Whenever it comes to even admitting the crimes happening to/in Palestine, it’s always decent people getting the entire book thrown at them, while others who actually do something evil get off scott free.

        You can’t just ask for accountability for crimes. You have to kiss the ring and you have to be made an example of. What we are seeing with the response to student action is actually unprecedented and it’s genuinely unhinged. And it’s not just the US, it’s most of Europe too.

        It’s not enough that our brothers and sisters in Palestine are getting rounded up and massacred. You have to support it with every fiber of your being or you’re a terrorist. After planing my whole life to move to the West I’m now genuinely scared I’ll be jailed for thought crime if it keeps getting crazier.

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    3 months ago

    Was going to ship an innovative Windows application, will now stop working on it to focus on other apps.

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    IBM had a role in the holocaust. Those numbers tattooed on everyone in the concentration camp? Those were IBM ID numbers for the punch cards.

    If IBM staff protested about their role, it’s been lost to history. But it’s repeating today with Gaza and the staff who speak out are being demonized. Israel’s Lavender AI is being used to kill civilians. History will prove this woman and the other employees right in the end.

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      Ironic because Thinkpad T- and P-series laptops are some of the most robust machines you can get for a reasonable price these days.

      Of course, the IBM that launched the Thinkpad line is a completely different company than the IBM that helped commit WWII atrocities… But it doesn’t matter anyway because they sold the entire PC division to Lenovo 20 years ago.

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      History will, but these people have made a stand, achieved nothing, lost their jobs and won’t be remembered.

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    3 months ago

    Microsoft will feel the wrat of Europe. Many people are switching to Linux. Even (local) governments with thousants of employees. This all together will have hudge implications in the next few years.

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    I cannot recommend switching to Linux enough! Linux mint is a solid, stable OS with a thriving community and ample support for newcomers.

    There are alternatives to nearly everything, yes YOU CAN absolutely live without microsoft or google tracking your every move, stealing your data, selling it and using that profit to fund unethical bullshit. Take back control, you will never regret it.

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      3 months ago

      I installed pop os yesterday after repeatedly saying I hate Microsoft all week. Bye windows 11!

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      I used to be an avid Linux user a couple of years back – but had to move to macos due to work. I however soon have the freedom to move back soon. Just out of cursiosity, do you know why people are recommending Mint over Ubuntu now?

      I have no horse in the race, i’m just curious what changed as when i used Linux last time you would be recommended Ubuntu 95% of the time.

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        Ubuntu is run by Canonical and people have mixed opinions about them. It mostly stems from their insistence on using snaps to run apps when other versions are supposedly faster (flatpack).

        I think that’s the biggest issue otherwise Ubuntu is fine and I use it on all my VMs.

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            There’s more. When you get away from Windows, you want to get away from ads. But Ubuntu is a commercial package that will remind you gently on occasion of this and include an ad for its own paid plan.

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        Mint is Ubuntu with the icky proprietary Canonical stuff removed and with an extra layer of polish.

        Mint Cinnamon even has a windows-like desktop/taskbar-like setup out of the box. I don’t know of any reason I might recommend somebody replace windows with Ubuntu rather than Mint.

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      Someone broke into my house on Tuesday and installed Linux Mint on my previously windows ThinkPad so I’m setting that up with all my productivity software today.

      Fun fact I thought that my sound card was just gradually dying because I lost onboard speaker output 5 years ago, and lost any BT audio output last week, but it all came back after Mint was installed so I guess it was just windows being windows this whole time. I honestly just accepted that she would never speak again from her onboard speakers.

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        Someone broke into my house on Tuesday and installed Linux Mint on my previously windows ThinkPad

        Now that’s my kind of mischief.

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    Hopefully they will find better jobs with better employers.

    For everyone who uses Windows, try Linux. You don’t know what you’re missing out on until you try it. See the ranking on the right hand side here: https://distrowatch.com/ You can pick something from there on the top of the list.

    Watch YouTube to learn more about each Linux distro that you find interesting.

    I personally would recommend Ubuntu or Ubuntu-based distros, as they have the widest support.

    You don’t have to wipe your Windows-installation completely, instead dual-boot. If you feel comfortable switching entirely, you can wipe out Windows and keep Linux exclusively.

  • commander@lemmy.world
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    Switch to Linux. Don’t use Microsoft email. If possible don’t use MS Office and if you currently need it, encourage Libreoffice, OnlyOffice, etc

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      Regardless of current politics, this is great advice anyways for a lot of people. These alternatives are very user friendly now a days, including many Linux distros. They will do almost if not all what a user needs. Few exceptions.

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        For Europeans the illusion American reliability is rapidly fading as well. If BDS is not a good angle consider cybersecurity as well.

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      One small problem: some services won’t let me change my e-mail for dumb reasons, thus I’m struck with MS for now.

      • Ms. ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml
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        In the past when I’ve had to migrate emails I’ll set up automatic forwarding for anything important like that. Then switch the services you can. Idk if something like that could work for you and it is admittedly a bit of a pain to keep track of. Could limit MS influence on your stuff though

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    Everyone needs to learn about Open-Source, Community-Made stuff, & more useful terms to know