• KeenFlame@feddit.nu
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    2 years ago

    It’s very rational, it’s always been mocked and looked down upon to be optimistic. But through the ages it has been proven to be true that we achieve much more than we imagine.

    However the pessimism built in to most people probably helps this drive and is actually a good thing.

    • Venator@lemmy.nz
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      2 years ago

      We’ll have all that, and escalating poverty at scales that are difficult to imagine…

  • squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    2 years ago

    It’s a cult. Altman is one of the TESCREAL devotees. He truly believes that he can build the electronic messiah.

    • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
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      2 years ago

      Optimism, pessimism, those are never healthy. They cloud your view of the truth, and make you assume that you know what you don’t.

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        2 years ago

        So if a pilot is in a failing aeroplane and is coming down for a landing that he knows is almost certainly going to lead to death. Having a more optimistic view of the situation is always bad? What about the people on the plane that are either going to die instantly or live, why be scared beforehand.

        One of my favourite quotes is:

        “The young do not know enough to be prudent, and therefore they attempt the impossible - and achieve it, generation after generation.”

        And this brings me back to optimism. How many times have you watched a sports game where it was shut out and over then in the dying minutes of the game you see a team win it and the commentators will say something like “no one thought that was possible, except for the men on the pitch and at the end of they day that’s all that matters”

        I can’t believe I’m defending optimism because I’m thr least optimistic person in the world.

        • Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyz
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          2 years ago

          I can’t believe I’m defending optimism because I’m thr least optimistic person in the world.

          I’m defending realism even if I’m extremely pessimistic, so… welcome to the club.

          So if a pilot is in a failing aeroplane […]

          From the pilot’s PoV, both optimism and pessimism mean the potential loss of the tiny chance of survival - one because it underestimates the effort necessary to achieve the desired result, another for giving it up. While realism is the option that actually allows you to seize that chance, and say “we’re probably fucked, but I can increase my odds of survival with my effort”.

          From the passengers’ PoV: if they know that the plane will crash, and can’t realistically do anything about it, optimism means wasting their likely last moments of life. While realism means accepting “I’m going to die in a few moments; better grab the gorgonzola from my bag and enjoy it, I probably won’t be able to gift it to my cousin. Komm, Susser Tot!”

          And this brings me back to optimism. How many times have you watched a sports game

          I don’t watch sports, but I think that what I said still applies: optimism leading to less effort than the necessary to win, pessimism leading to giving up, realism leads to a cold analysis of the situation and what should be done to get the best result.

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    2 years ago

    If it weren’t for the thieving class and the people who fall for their bullshit, I’m convinced we’d be having serious discussions about what it means to live in a post-scarcity society by now.

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    2 years ago

    Abundance is already here, tons of food are destroyed and thrown out when they accidentally make too much while people are starving, there’s no money in abundance, it’s the artificial lack of supply that keeps prices high and profits soaring.

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      2 years ago

      Food isn’t the only resource in the equation. Most of the resources are limited and even diminishing.

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        I agree but I think their point was more along the lines of “Even if we have complete abundance of everything (as in, the capabilities to produce anything in abundance), capitalists will continue to create artificial lack of supply to continue profiting off of the workers. For example, look at the food abundance we have”

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          capitalists will continue to create artificial lack of supply

          I think it’s not that, but just:

          capitalists won’t spend their money to create logistical chains for free.

          “Collect and distribute supply” won’t do itself, someone should do that. And noone will do that for free

  • dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net
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    2 years ago

    It’s grifting, pure and simple. All those things may be possible but Sam Altman is spewing this line of bullshit to keep the venture capital flowing into his company.

    • DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      Exactly. As a SW engineer, I don’t know how far we are from an AGI exactly, but I am confident enough Altman and openAi have no idea where to even start.

      • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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        2 years ago

        In Venice he never claims that he will be the one to do these things, at least in that tweet he doesn’t claim to be the one that’s going to do those things.

        I’m not sure what the line about creating new realities means. I assume he means VR and not that AI is going to give us the ability to access hyperspace or something.

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        2 years ago

        As a software engineer that works in AI, the “breakthrough” we’ve made is in proving that LLM’s can perform well at scale, and that hallucinations aren’t as big a problem as initially thought. Most tech companies didn’t do what OpenAI did because hallucinations are brand-damaging, whereas OpenAI didn’t give a fuck. In the next few years, all existing AI systems will be through LLM’s, and probably as good at ChatGPT.

        We might make more progress now that researchers and academics see the value in LLM’s, but my weakly held opinion is that it’s mostly surrounded by hype.

        We’re nowhere near what most would call AGI, although to be blunt, I don’t think the average person on here could truly tell you what that looks like without disagreeing with AI researchers.

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      2 years ago

      This reads like Musk promising everyone that his imaginary train will be faster and cheaper than everything else.