• ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    I come from a white suburban middle class background and from what I can tell the answer is no, atleast among this demographic. The main concern is not the threat of fascism but rather how Trump’s policies will affect the economy. Even here there is a certain level of denial. I hear a lot of reassurances that things will bounce back eventually. Most people simply do not get it, especially in the older generations.

  • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    Imagine reading some fiction book, like fantasy or something like that.

    You see a state that was created by genocide, which was continued until there was barely anyone left to kill, which state then became world hegemon, took control over nearly entire planet economy and proceeded to find new targets for genocide, ecocide, invasion, looting and murdering every political opponent.

    You would think it’s caricaturally evil, worse than Mordor.

    And here you ask “they are now definitely a rogue state”? Now?

    • DandomRude@lemmy.worldOP
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      3 months ago

      True. But what I mean above all is that the US is now more unpredictable in terms of foreign policy than ever before.

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        It sure does look more unpredictable, but is it really? They continue basically everything except trying to wrap up Ukraine and fuck up and loot Europe, but marxists were saying this will happen years ago already (and regardless of which government will be at helm), so it is by no means unpredictable. The one thing that changed is the presentation, it is more honest but more erratic, though it is again what anyone could simply predict looking at previous Trump term and process of building his staff in preparation to the last elections.

      • Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        3 months ago

        Yeah. The usa has always been relatively evil… But also fairly predictable .

        Also worth noting that pretty much every country ever has been evil, with a few notable exceptions —of which none of the eu are included in

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      3 months ago

      Fuck off with this fucking shit. I am here because Germany went fucking nuts and bombed my homeland. I never owned fucking slaves. I wasn’t even considered white until a few decades ago. I am so sick of this shit from you people not understanding that so many Americans are here because fascism forced us here too.

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        I am here because Germany went fucking nuts and bombed my homeland.

        No, you’re there because the people already there decided to let your family in.

        Them being in a position to let you in js a crucial factor. And the reason their society got to control that is because of what they had done to other people beforehand.

        No one is asking you to feel guilt and no one is blaming you. But facts are facts.

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        You still benefit from white privilege. If it weren’t for your pale skin, you most likely would’ve been deported or murdered before you even tried. Your privilege in USA is still based on your skin tone. Now you’re supporting fascism here with you white victimhood story. Everybody in USA has some sad tale. Fuck off with your bullshit, yt.

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          That person is delusional. If North America were a group of Indigenous nations it wouldn’t have been a major immigration target for European refugees.

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    I hope that people outside the US are aware of how quickly the rhetoric is shifting within the US. The right wing machine is rapidly spinning up a normalization of the ideas that: the US doesn’t need allies at all, the US has zero obligation to abide by international treaties, and the rest of the world is available for us to take. By ‘take’ I mean utter economic dominion and/or military conquest and/or territorial annexation.

    The speed at which things are deteriorating here is shocking. An imperial US is a terrifying prospect. This deranged, entitled joke of a country has both an effectively endless supply of armaments and a depraved indifference to the suffering of people abroad and here at home.

    The world has a metastasizing US problem.

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      3 months ago

      Nothing is really changing. It’s the exact same system as under genocide joe. It’s a continuation of a loooong history of violence.

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    I’ve been saying this is inevitable since at least 2004. I’ve been called every name you can pretty much call someone.

    I hate being right it fucking sucks.

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    Those of us who pay attention know.

    However, the media ecosystem is INCREDIBLY conservative and pumps out the rah-rah jingoism whenever it can. Those of who just stick to the mainstream echochambers think the US is a bastion of freedom and peace.

    • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      3 months ago

      How I pointed something out to a family member this morning.

      When Israel attacks housing units in a country it is in a “ceasefire” with, the media says they are “threatening the ceasefire.” If someone fires back. The media will say Israel is being attacked and the ceasefire was broken by the other party.

      While that should seem wrong to many, it flies under the radar for many.

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        3 months ago

        You need to hound maga with shit they care about. Internal anti American shit the gop is doing will go way further than them giving a shit about foreigners.

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          Hounding someone on something they don’t agree with just makes them shut down a conversation.

          Using something like that brings the bias to light without them ending the conversation. You cannot assist someone with seeing bias in media who just blocks you. While it sucks, sometimes small steps help getting you going in the right direction.

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        Great example! These little turns of phrases and wordplay that reveal the incredible right-wing bias of our media are all over the place if you learn how to look for them.

        Another great example you see all the time is “office involved shooting” whenever someone is shot by police. It’s always something like “John Smith died after an officer involved shooting” or “a gun was discharged in an officer involved shooting that resulted in the death of Jane Smith.” Where it should be “Officer Joe Blow murdered John and Jane Smith.”

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      There are protests going on everywhere. Corey Booker did his thing. It’s not enough but people know something is going on.

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    We understand that fully 1/3 of our population are absolutely bonkers. It’s like being in a boat at sea and 1/3 of the passengers are drilling holes in the bottom of the boat. What the rest of the world should know is that no matter how fucked it seems at the moment, it is going to get worse. We are on the precipice of a climate catastrophe. The AMOC is going to grind to a halt, Europe is going to go into a deep freeze, weather patterns globally are going to fall apart and become chaotic. The real problems are in the distance, so you should prepare yourselves.

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      The 1/3 drilling holes in the boat are doing so because the boat is taking on water and obviously they need to drill holes so it will drain.

      No amount of evidence, facts, logic, etc will convince them that their “common sense” is not only wrong, but actively making things worse.

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    Y’all have got to learn to separate the general population from all the elitist fuckhead of the current government. They were all hiding under their cowshit coveted rocks before the oligurkin mutts drug em out for the show