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As someone who calls himself that:
“I am a liberal but the liberal want to go after the upper middle class instead of after the top 0.1%”
P.S: I’m from Switzerland, so don’t tell me about Trump. I knoe he’s a fascist and I would have voted against him. But here in Switzerland we have more moderate choices.
“I judge the parties on their rhetoric instead of their record.”
“Trump is going to pivot any day now!”
They believe in the social policies of the Democrats and the financial policies of conservatives?
I mean I would ask follow up questions but at face value that would be what they meant no?
The democrats are fiscally conservative. The GOP believes in budget unbalancing tax cuts and are fiscally liberal.
So the person who says what’s in the post title is probably just a centrist Democrat. Which explains why they’re getting so much hate here.
So you’re of the opinion that somehow by making five hundred austerity cuts saving two million dollars each the GOP will shave a trillion from the budget? Is Trump going to increase or decrease the deficit in your mind?
They don’t pay attention to the world around them.
To the small handful of socially liberal and fiscally conservative folks that found this thread let me ask a few questions:
- Does it make more fiscal sense to build a chemical treatment plant next to a neighborhood of people that can afford lawyers or a neighborhood of those that can’t?
- What is the social makeup of each of those neighborhoods?
- How did that social makeup come to be?
“I don’t hate you because you’re a POC, a woman, or queer. I hate you because you’re poor.”
“I’m a prick but I also like to smoke weed”
A walking example of privilege
“I’m a dumb cunt”
“I’m an uninformed idiot.”
Conservatives are fiscally reckless. Look at every conservative president’s deficit spending, and economic crashes. Look at the states most dependent on federal funds.
Even if you had zero morals and voted 100% on fiscal policies, the best choice is very clearly not conservative.
Is it guaranteed they’re voting conservative when they say that?
Don’t confuse “Republican” with “conservative”, especially on economic matters. Republicans are historically economically liberal, ie. they are for unregulated markets. A fiscal conservative likes to cut spending, yes, but not to cut revenue.
Not even economically liberal, just irresponsible and corrupt.
That’s kinda the inevitable result of economic liberalism, especially with the added zest of corporate personhood.
I link this article every time the discussion comes up:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party
The first paragraph is a doozy.
it ain’t even edit protected
Hence why republicans want to get rid of Wikipedia. For all of its faults they generally do a decent job of going slash and burn on any editors that cannot fully back themselves up or have clear political alegances.
Seeing the complete flopping of conservapedia, of course they want to get rid of it.
Anything that keeps a clear record of what people say or believe in, without that changing based on someone’s mood on a particular day is going to be a flop on that side of the spectrum.
I love yelling at my Facebook “friend” whenever gas prices go up a cent now. Under Biden it was all the damn time he’d cry about that but never acknowledged of it went down.
MUH EGGZ
Poes Law very much applies, but I’m pretty sure Conservapedia is a troll. Just look at their list of “Greatest Conservative Songs”.
Look, I think there is something to it, but you really have to give details. I’m good with free access to healthcare, good with people marrying whoever they want (over the age of 18), transgender rights, etc.
All of that. I love it all. But I’d rather not be taxed to hell and have those funds horribly mis managed. I’m okay with taxes but I know there is so much waste with my funds. That’s where I’d like improvement. I suppose in some eyes that would make me slightly fiscally conservative.
No, that means you just like a functioning government. That has nothing to do with fiscal conservatism.
If you were a fiscal conservative, you would be against spending any money on healthcare, let alone giving “free access” to everyone.
Does the fact that American “conservative” politicians are lying about it make it an invalid position to take?
Having grown up in a conservative household in a red state (US), and having thought this as I transitioned away to more liberal stances as I learned more about the world, I have to say: Spot on. I was an uninformed idiot.
The worst idiots are the ones who never admit when they’re wrong. Having the backbone to admit an error, change, and and move on speaks volumes.
True, I went through that phase as well. It usually came with a side of insecurity. Just happy to have grown in more than just age.
“i vote MAGA, but im too much of a wuss to admit it out loud.”
“I’m discriminating towards poor people”.
“Fuck the poor but I do like to smoke weed”
I think we have countless words. We should use our words.
We all have a spectrum of social and economic and other ideals.
Those who want to lead us have theirs too, and they’re the ones who need us to commit and compartmentalize into ideologies and macro definitions that get twisted.
This is my father. Like, I’m happy that he doesn’t hate me because I’m bi and poly. He’s pretty open about how he thinks the Republican party is cruel and shitty.
His problem is that he associates fiscally progressive policies with California’s creaking and inefficient bureaucracy. In his career, he spent a lot of time interacting with various CA governmental departments and he grew to loathe them intensely. Whenever I discuss progressive policies with him, he always relates it back to his experiences living and working in California and then just shrugs and says “I hate both parties for different reasons.”
It’s funny, because like, shit man, I kinda agree with him on a superficial level. California’s state and local governments sucks at their jobs in a lot of ways (see the notorious San Francisco public bathroom). I agree that unions (of which there are many in California) can sometimes impede quick and efficient work (although I don’t fucking care, I just chill out and am patient with folks and the shit gets done eventually. The process would be more efficient if the company tried to have a more harmonious relationship with the union).
He just doesn’t seem to understand that as far as progressive polities go, California is a terrible example. There are plenty of places around the world that that have implemented progressive and socialist policies while still preserving the things he cares about (efficiency and relative frugality), but he’s never been to those places. He hasn’t engaged with those governments. All he can think of is the “progressive” state that caused him so much anger.
So basically, I think most people like this are fundamentally nice and decent, but they’re ignorant and are blind to the underlying dissonance between their social and fiscal philosophies. My dad has never voted for Trump (he wrote in a friend’s name which was basically a vote for Trump, but fuck man, it’s at least a little better), but I don’t believe he’ll ever accept that voting according to his fiscal philosophy directly contradicts his social philosophy.
EDIT: apologies if this is rambling or poorly written. I’m sleep deprived and distracted and very stressed, and I probably shouldn’t have commented at all.
opposite of me I guess
It depends what country they are in
