Summary
Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth denied allegations that he texted classified war plans to a Signal group chat that mistakenly included The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg.
The National Security Council confirmed the chat’s authenticity but called the inclusion of Goldberg an inadvertent mistake.
Lawmakers from both parties demanded investigations, with former CIA Director Leon Panetta warning of potential espionage violations.
Hegseth dismissed Goldberg as a “deceitful” journalist. Trump denied knowledge of the incident.
To be fair he was probably blacked out at the time
No justice without truth, Congress won’t impeach and DOJ won’t prosecute, we’ve been here before with Mueller and the insurrection.
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They’re saying he didn’t share classified war plans and you need to check the word usage with such lies. What probably happened was that they declassified everything that was shared. So what he is saying is now technically correct - the war plans are not classified. So he did not share ‘classified’ plans. This would also mean Tulsi is not ‘lying’ when she says that no classified information was shared. Typical obfuscation of facts by words.
Ah yes - the classic Trump approach… just yell Fake News as loud as possible.
Also, start with talking bad of media that was involved (see Orange’s first comment).
I’m seriously hopeful that the people who have historically given into this lie are wising up.
Narrator: “They weren’t.”
In my circle they are, thankfully.
What do they think if this latest bit of bullshit?
My seed of hope: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT-2EobJKzE
Nice!
Don’t hold your breath. The Repubs will just say they haven’t read the news.
While acknowledging that Trump voters are emotional and fear-prone, they’re not entirely stupid and generally not cultists, probably, maybe. Can we have some sliver of hope? The ones I know are certainly not stupid but are tragically misinformed and savants of confirmation bias. I’ve also noticed that they care a great deal. It seems more like a target misalignment problem than a broken turret.
The ones I know are certainly not stupid but are tragically misinformed and savants of confirmation bias
Can you please define “stupid”? Because this feels like a very apt definition of the word you’re trying to use
I think he means there are some otherwise intelligent people voting against their self interests because the echo chambers and media they are exposed to have convinced them to.
Smart people can be misinformed too. Finding a way for them to be informed could help those ones (I wish I knew some of them, because I think I could help, but the trumpets I know are the cultist ones with really screwed up morals).
A smart person is impossible to dupe twice. This is Trump second term, anyone voting for him a second time after the first one does not deserve to be called “intelligent”. They are as stupid as they come and they can only blame themselves for that, especially in an era where information are abundant and vary.
This is moronic, elitist, trash
The only characteristic of stupidity is being misinformed? Everyone is misinformed to some extent. There are myriad aspects to intelligence. We’re all imperfect monkeys.
Nobody is denying that we are all imperfect monkeys nor is stating that being misinformed is the only characteristic of being stupid. I’m simply sayig that making mistakes is human, perservering in being mistaken is diabolical, as we say here in Italy. They knew the man from the previous administration and they actively choose to support him still after they saw what he was able to do with January 6th, besides all other misdees he achieved between 2016 and 2020. They are either morons and idiots or bad people, no inbetween left imho. If you still believe they are capable of changing without receiving an heartfelt apology from them, buddy, I’ve got a coliseum to sell to you, contact me in private
They don’t care.
He’s hurting people they hate, that’s all they care about.
Jesus, these people are so fucking predictable.
Ah, going with denial in the face of concrete evidence to the contrary
Classic Trump move
yes, so typical and yet so effective so far.
Phase 1: eat a baby in plain view at a crowded event
Phase 2: get really angry and personally attack anybody who mentions it and their employer
Phase 3: after a few days just roll your eyes and dismiss with “again with that baby thing?”
If nothing serious happens right after phase 1, holding onto this as future political ammo seems to be worthless. I really hope I’m wrong and that the accumulation of these things is enough to turn enough of Trump’s base against him but they accumulated a whole fricking lot by now and there is still room for more…
“Nuh uh” is what you’re going with, huh? The screenshots, the validation from your own administration… and your response is “didnt happen”?
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”
“Wasn’t me”
— Pete Hegseth
Ah yes, the classic Shaggy defense. What’s that shit conservatives say? We’re still in the first year.
If he was blackout drunk at the time and he doesn’t remember sending it now, is he culpable when he’s sober? No. Clearly not. The buck stops somewhere.
Disgusting comments about Europe in the group chat. The USA is a pariah state; the sooner we disentangle from it, the better.
where can one see the actual comments?
Here: The Trump Administration Accidentally Texted Me Its War Plans By Jeffrey Goldberg
The account identified as “JD Vance” addressed a message at 8:45 to @Pete Hegseth: “if you think we should do it let’s go. I just hate bailing Europe out again.” (The administration has argued that America’s European allies benefit economically from the U.S. Navy’s protection of international shipping lanes.)
The user identified as Hegseth responded three minutes later: “VP: I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC. But Mike is correct, we are the only ones on the planet (on our side of the ledger) who can do this. Nobody else even close. Question is timing. I feel like now is as good a time as any, given POTUS directive to reopen shipping lanes. I think we should go; but POTUS still retains 24 hours of decision space.”
I’m not usually an alarmist, but this one has the hair on the back of my neck up…
This feels like a false flag to target journalists spreading “misinformation.”
I was reading the Atlantic article thinking 'What a bunch of dumb fucks." Until I read this part:
The Hegseth message goes on to state, “Waiting a few weeks or a month does not fundamentally change the calculus. 2 immediate risks on waiting: 1) this leaks, and we look indecisive
Hard stop right there. “This is intentional.”
Then Tulsi comes out talking about “aggressively pursuing” journalists., and now P Heggs is just gonna play dumb?
Smells pretty bad, imo.
(False flag may not be the right term here, but I hope my point is still clear enough)
I think it was a deliberate leak. A mole from inside the administration is trying to warn us of Trump’s actions before he does them.
>Signal is most secure with these new usernames and group chat links, sir, let me arrange this for the whole small group from your account
Ya but… stupidity… hmmm 🤷♂️
If someone left their phone unlocked, that’d make sense. (I assume a serious wartime messaging app would make it very difficult to just leave unlocked like that… could be doing lots of biometrics too)
and we look indecisive
Ugh. I didn’t want to agree with you but this little flex for the faithful seals it.
And yet the information was valid and confirmed? The bombs dropped right when Signal User “Pete Hegseth” said they would; NSC confirmed this was a genuine thread. It seems too elaborate to be a false flag event.
I’m not saying it was bad info. And adding a journalist to a “private” signal chat that was probably going to happen either way isn’t exactly elaborate.
International warfare seems pretty elaborate to me, or am I misunderstanding your point?
I think so…
The attack wasn’t the “false flag” (I think I misused that term), that was going to happen anyway. I think adding a journalist to their little group chat about it was.
They knew it would come out, and now they have the pretext to start going more aggresively after journalists spreading “deceitful” information.
I’m not saying I’m right, it just stinks.
But the information wasn’t deceitful, it was verifiably true. The people this looks bad for is those involved in the group chat, save the journalist. It looks especially bad for Mike Waltz, the user who added the journalist to the chat. I suppose i just don’t see how the Trumpists could benefit from this leaking the way it has.
I hope you’re right
He knows they have the screenshots and the NSC confirmed it, right?
https://x.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/1904221405618577650
NSC statement: “At this time, the message thread that was reported appears to be authentic, and we are reviewing how an inadvertent number was added to the chain. The thread is a demonstration of the deep and thoughtful policy coordination between senior officials. The ongoing success of the Houthi operation demonstrates that there were no threats to our servicemembers or our national security.” - NSC Spokesman Brian Hughes
The Trump administration does not deny this Signal group chat about the war planning for the Yemen strikes is real. Trump’s top national security advisers added reporter
@JeffreyGoldberg
@TheAtlantic
to the war planning text chain on non-government social media app, perhaps breaking secrecy laws. Read this shocking story below.
Sigh. Todays word of the day is kakistocracy.
Pro tip: if you change the
x.comtoxcancel.comyou can make the link use a twitter mirror and not give Musk revenue if people click on the linkMore “sourcing the quote” than anything else, but thanks!
He must have been drunk and had a blackout.
The fucking White House confirmed this shit.
Having complete morons in charge does confer particular tactical advantages.
