• I Cast Fist@programming.dev
    991·
    9 days ago

    My favorite male fantasy that games allow me to realize is that of becoming a successful man despite not executing any meaningful work.

  • Broadfern@lemmy.worldEnglish
    392·
    9 days ago

    I know this is a meme but I’m really really hoping that top line is from a skit or something

  • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    333·
    8 days ago

    “This is why I hate RomComs, it appeals to the female fantasy.”

    (We can both say ridiculous things and be judgemental, or we can just let people like what they like. Not everything has to be “for you,” nor “for everyone.”)

  • Alk@sh.itjust.works
    22·
    8 days ago

    This game is actually great. I played through fully twice, it’s rather short. Highly recommend if you like digging a hole and upgrading your hole digging ability.

    • tiguwang@lemm.eeEnglish
      6·
      8 days ago

      Can confirm. Am dwarf, I don’t like holes. I like elves, fellowships and killing orcs. And my ax!

  • Rhaedas@fedia.io
    185·
    9 days ago

    Girls can like digging holes too. Sounds to me like someone is looking for something to hate, and really reaching here, unless there’s something more subtle to this game (I doubt it).

  • RunawayFixer@lemmy.world
    9·
    8 days ago

    From what I’ve seen, men absolutely love digging holes. Every summer on the beach it’s the same: there’s always men digging holes. They bring their kids to the beach just to have an excuse for digging a hole, a waterfort, some dams, … For the kids ;)

  • Grass@sh.itjust.works
    41·
    9 days ago

    What was the original game actually shown to her that led to that video clip? Who chose the game, etc?

    Meming this is totally justified though. You could easily say that about any and all entertainment media formats without even looking very hard for examples. Its just without knowing the original context I can’t help but feel the woman got the short end of the stick with whatever show that was from.

    • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      112·
      9 days ago

      GTAV, a scene at the Vanilla Unicorn strip club specifically

      It’s… A really fucking stupid thing to bitch about specifically in that game, honestly. Of course a strip club objectifies women, and of course a game about criminality and the seedy underworld will have one

      • Muad'dib@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        819·
        9 days ago

        John Wick is a movie about criminality and the seedy underworld, and there’s no scene where John Wick gets a lap dance. There are women who appear to be sex workers, and John Wick murders their bosses. The audience isn’t invited to participate in the objectification, the audience is invited to hate the antagonist for objectifying women and wish for justice.

        There’s nothing wrong with a game about robbing banks, because most people don’t rob banks, and a video game isn’t going to give them ideas. But a video game where you pretend to be a misogynist can teach dangerous habits, because that behaviour is easy to bring out of the game.

        I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the people sending death threats to Anita Sarkeesian for saying games should objectify women less, are the people who went on to storm the capital to try and install a fascist dictator.

        • DrSteveBrule@mander.xyz
          19·
          9 days ago

          You’re smart enough to understand that games depicting banks robbery won’t lead to an increase in real life bank robbery, but somehow you’re convinced a game with a strip club can teach dangerous habits? I usually run all red lights when I play GTA, how do you think that has affected my real life driving? I played an evil karma playthrough in fallout3, am i a psychotic person in real life? Do you have a complete list of behaviors people have a hard time separating from video games?

          • zqps@sh.itjust.works
            3·
            8 days ago

            It’s funny how this argument puts sexism and the objectification of women, unfortunately very common and normalized types of behavior, on the same level with behavior that’s psychotic and fucking lunatic.

          • Muad'dib@sopuli.xyzEnglish
            59·
            9 days ago

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25681166

            Given that video games typically feature even less diverse and more objectified representations of women than traditional mainstream media, we predicted that there would be relationships between video game consumption and negative beliefs and attitudes about women. In this study, we conducted a survey (N = 351) of male and female adults and used structural equation modeling to analyze relationships among video game consumption, trait interpersonal aggression, ambivalent sexism, and first-order (percentage of false rape accusations) and second-order cultivation effects (RMA). We found support for the hypothesized cultivation model, indicating a relationship between video game consumption and RMA via interpersonal aggression and hostile sexism. Although these findings cannot be interpreted causally, we discuss the implications of these associations and future directions for research.

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28408891

            Research has indicated that many video games are saturated with stereotypes of women and that these contents may cultivate sexism. The purpose of this study was to assess the relationship between video game exposure and sexism for the first time in a large and representative sample. Our aim was also to measure the strength of this association when two other significant and well-studied sources of sexism, television exposure and religiosity, were also included in a multivariate model. A representative sample of 13520 French youth aged 11-19 years completed a survey measuring weekly video game and television exposure, religiosity, and sexist attitudes toward women. Controlling for gender and socioeconomic level, results showed that video game exposure and religiosity were both related to sexism. Implications of these results for future research on sexism in video games are discussed.

            We have a correlation

              • Muad'dib@sopuli.xyzEnglish
                414·
                9 days ago

                You’re right, it could be the other way around. Maybe sexist video games don’t cause sexism. Maybe they attract sexist men instead. Like the woman in the meme is saying.

                You gamergate people are so easy to bait into disagreeing with yourselves

            • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
              4·
              8 days ago

              Ah, surveys, which classify as observational, cross-sectional studies: pretty low on the hierarchy of evidence, yes?

              Now show us studies that apply the same methods on the relationship with belief & attitudes toward bank robberies, risky driving, or dark personality traits as mentioned before. Applying the same methods on those questions would inform us whether such studies put them all on “the same level” as sexism or “objectification of women” (which someone before claimed would be funny), and whether we can put much stock in conclusions drawn from these methods.

              It’s also questionable whether answers to survey questions imply much beyond state of mind that has real-life consequences. Unless there’s clear evidence of that, it’s a slippery slope.

        • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
          101·
          9 days ago

          So depicting violence is fine because people don’t do those violent things. Except people will do violent things (like Jan 6) but when that happens it’s because they they saw a lap dance being depicted?

        • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          3·
          8 days ago

          Hang on, so sex work is work and we shouldn’t shame sex workers, but those who pay the sex workers for their services are gross misogynists? Gotta pick one.

          • GeneralVincent@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            8 days ago

            That’s missing a key past of the argument, objectification. Do the game devs add women exclusively as eye candy or as interesting, complex characters? I haven’t played GTA5 so I legit don’t know.

            Maybe her comment here was silly and misplaced, but I think the gaming community really has (had?) excessive misogyny. And it does tend to cater to men more than women. Look at any recent major AAA games, the top 50 best selling video games, top rated games of all time, etc. The overwhelming majority ether have a male protagonist or customizable character. Only a handful specifically have a female protagonist.

            Most gamers aren’t gross misogynists, but there are plenty of ways game devs could better represent women as equals.

            • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              2·
              8 days ago

              and there’s no scene where John Wick gets a lap dance. There are women who appear to be sex workers, and John Wick murders their bosses. The audience isn’t invited to participate in the objectification,

              I do not agree that paying a woman for a lap dance is objectification if sex work is real work and should be respected. If sex work is bad and shouldn’t be respected then sure, that’d be a bad thing to pay for, but it can’t be both.

                • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  1·
                  7 days ago

                  Right, then I responded to them, then you responded to me responding to them, and now we’re here. You said it’s missing part of the argument but it is the argument you jumped into, so “nuh uh” is what I’m saying.

          • Muad'dib@sopuli.xyzEnglish
            23·
            8 days ago

            Yes we should pay the fictional video game ladies who don’t exist for their sex work. I heard Rockstar programmed them into GTA V without paying them a dime! We should go on strike until they pay their NPCs a fair wage.

            • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
              3·
              8 days ago

              Well you could kill them and steal it back afterwards I suppose but you do have to pay the fictional game ladies fictional game money, yes. They need it for their fictional kids and to buy fictional food in the fictional grocery store, duh. What, you think they take USD?

                • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                  4·
                  8 days ago

                  They did pay the voice actors real money, and the fictional women use fictional currency. They are being paid both fictionally and IRL. Sucks to suck my guy, get good.

                  Btw I like that the root of your sarcasm is “No, stripping isn’t real work, real ones shouldn’t get paid because the fake ones only get fake currency.” You’re a weird dude.

    • SippyCup@feddit.nlEnglish
      81·
      9 days ago

      She’s watching a clip of GTA5 that takes place in a strip club.

      This was a BuzzFeed video, Claudia Restrepo was a writer for Oscar Hates Sexism, and the video was something like “feminists play grand theft Auto”

      The scenes were specifically chosen to illicit a reaction. I can’t find the original video but from what I recall, were some of the worst in the game.