Summary

The US tourism industry faces a major decline as harsh immigration policies deter visitors.

High-profile detentions of Western travelers have led to a forecasted 9% decrease in visits, reversing a previously expected 5% rise, and risking a $64 billion loss.

Germany and the UK updated travel advisories following detentions of citizens without clear visa violations.

Canadian tourism also dropped significantly amid tariff threats. Denmark and Finland warned transgender travelers about entry issues.

Experts cite anti-immigrant rhetoric and unpredictable enforcement as key deterrents.

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    Look, I’ve been to the states a good 7 or 8 times and I’m really very fond of the place and the people generally. That includes the, hands down, best summer of my life on a college visa.

    I will not be going back there until shit calms down. I just can’t gamble on the notion of spending weeks in a cold, overly bright shithole cell on the whim of anyone on the way through just for a holiday when I can spin over to any country in Europe and just get a smile and a “Welcome” from the border security on my way in.

    It just wouldn’t be a rational choice.

    edit: I just want to add in that the EU pumps an enormous amount of money on the Erasmus scheme. If you’re not in the know the idea is to get kids in college in one country to do a year of the course in another country in Europe. The only real goal of this is to make people realise that they’re just like everyone else in Europe so we never have an internal war again and it is (along with a few other bits) the best money the EU spends IMO.

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      I will not be going back there until shit calms down.

      Don’t expect it for a long time. You talk about the Erasmus to teach people they’re just like everyone else to prevent an internal war.

      Here in the states, I honest to god cannot see how our two sides can come to a peaceful resolution and that terrifies me.

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          Hell, they want to enslave a chunk of their own side. Shouldn’t be long until it’s illegal to be too poor.

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            I feel like there is a /s I missed. It’s already illegal to be poor here. Don’t have a house/apartment to sleep in? Crime.

            Can’t pay taxes? Crime.

            Wanna stay warm by burning a Tesla? Crime.

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        I know folks in Georgia, S. Carolina, and N. Carolina who’ve never been more than a couple hours drive from their birthplace in their entire lives.

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    I won’t be bringing my non-USA citizen family to the USA for a holiday for at least the next 4 years. Even with a perfectly good visa, folks are getting detained. In the past I would spend more than $10k for roughly a month long visit on them (not including airfare to the USA). That money will now go to the EU or Japan.

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    On Friday there was a meeting at work where everyone insisted that they will not go to the US office anymore.

  • Realitätsverlust@lemmy.zip
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    Why even go visit the US? There’s nothing worthwhile to visit. And fatty american food I can get in almost any country

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    The thing that sucks is that the USA is awesome, it had great nature, great cities and good food / people.

    The orange dipshit can’t take that away.

    That said, only visit / give your money to blue states, that’s what I’m doing.

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      The one thing that really came home to me traveling in the US was how unbelievably different different parts of it are. If you were an alien or otherwise didn’t know where the borders of countries were you would not believe that Florida and DC could possibly belong to the same country they’re so completely different in culture.

      I honestly think that’s part of the problem the US has, they only have two parties and that’s nowhere near enough diversity to cover all of the different kinds of cultures the US has. I have to imagine people in North Dakota have completely different priorities to people in California. Yet there’s absolutely no political recognition of that.

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        Not just political but cultural, most of the great planes states were borne as nations during the height of the Cold war (the dust bowl kinda stalled/reset a lot of progress) which seems to have fucked them up weirdly. A lot of Americans can’t seem to move past the fiction of a unified culture meaning they can’t actually work within the reality of cultural and national differences. The United States isn’t a nation it’s 50+ nations in a trenchcoat descended from a shit tonne of different cultures and nations.

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    Do not under any circumstances come to America. We are experiencing a Nazi take over.

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    Hah, not intentionally. There are (or at least used to be), a lot of US folks who used to go there to drink since the age is 21 in the US. That’s dangerous, I suppose.

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    Good, this gives me a little hope that the rest of the world is starting to understand how awful the US is, and that there just might be a few actual consequences for that awfulness.

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      The nature and scenery in the US is honestly stunning, and you’re lucky to have the NPS to make all of it so accessible.

      In saying that though; there is natural beauty everywhere you look in the world and it’s very easy, and often cheaper to go elsewhere.

    • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
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      Note this means tourist areas should see prices drop on food in grocery stores because the supply was being created pre-decreased population. The decreased cash flow will hurt businesses and the suppliers will decrease production as to not have to sell at slim to no margins which will bring the prices back up soon enough (or the farmers/distributers will go out of business themselves).

      It will give people in those areas a false narrative for the time being though because they will be happy about lower prices and less car traffic… But all the resteraunts will have less patrons, and less money going to servers, less jobs to be had eventually.

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        I doubt prices will drop as fast as bankruptcies will increase because the distribution chain has that price inflation and it will react slowly. The tighter the margin the more quickly the business will fail.

        Employment will also drop quickly because firing people is a fast and easy way to reduce overhead so service quality will dive off a cliff.

        But, hey, less traffic! Yay!

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        I’m a us citizen living in Japan and I wouldn’t consider. Unless someone’s dying, I’m staying out. Taking my non-white wife who barely speaks any English is 100% out of the question.

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    Just imagine a legal tourist in the US gets their wallet stolen.

    Once, when people in the US had rights, he would contact the police, who would help him getting in contact with the embassy.

    Where would the tourist end up nowadays? In Gitmo? Or a South American prison?

    • Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca
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      Most of the trips that have happened in February and March were planned and often paid for before that time and couldn’t easily be changed or cancelled so many went ahead. There will be a continuing drop off. Airlines are reassigning their planes because so few Canadians are booking trips to the USA, even as a stopover to anther country. Some border businesses have already lost 50% or more of their business.

  • yeehaw@lemmy.ca
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    I am starting to wonder how Americans would vote now if trump allows another election?

    • Treczoks@lemmy.world
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      Just wait a bit more. The real pain has not yet set in. Wait until they have to decide whether to keep their mom alive or feed their children. It won’t take long.

    • Wren@lemmy.worldM
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      I’m pretty sure we all know how everyone would vote if given the chance to do it again. I only wish those that didn’t would have the humility it takes to admit they made a huge mistake.

    • Keener@lemm.ee
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      It wouldn’t matter how people vote. Trump and Musk will be controlling the results.

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      I live in a red state. We have a method of voting individual bills into our constitution as a majority process.

      We have voted in a reform to get big money out of our politics. The Republican majority in the state forced another vote with the most obfuscated language to get the state to overturn it. We have voted time and time again against Right to Work which is an anti-union bill. The Republicans have constantly tried to get it to happen. St Louis managed to get its police out from under State control, leaving Kansas City the only state in the nation with the state controlling the cities police… until the Republican ran state forced St. Louis back under its control.

      We voted in a higher minimum wage and guarantees for sick leave. We also voted in protections for abortions overturning the harshest ban in the state. These were overwhelming majorities. We as a state also overwhelmingly voted Republicans in, who have just overturned the min wage and sick leave bill, and are trying to figure out how to overturn the abortion protections.

      So if we had a COMPLETELY free and fair election. I guarantee you, at least the portion of the country I’m in, would still vote for anything with an ® next to their name.

    • lazynooblet@lazysoci.al
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      Trump supporters continue to vote red despite decisions effecting their lives in profound ways.

      Look at the anti-vax response after their own child dies of a preventable disease. It’s moronic.

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      That’s looking increasingly like a big “if”, unless you mean a Russian style election.

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    Who in their right mind would want to visit to US at this moment? It’s a clusterf*ck and even with a visa and a return ticket you could be detained.

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    Coming in May myself, anything I should know about how best to behave and handle interactions at the airport to get through safe and quick?

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      Make sure: you have the correct visa, know the address you are staying at, have an exit flight and can prove you have enough money to fund your trip, you can explain the purpose of your trip, prepare to surrender social media passwords and have nothing remotely critical of Trump or the US on it and you have no suspicious contacts. Prepare to have your privacy invaded.

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        Unless you go as far as having hidden partitions with a fake benign fascade this isnt good enough. How it goes is they plug your laptop into their forensics software, it reports encryption, they say unlock the encryption, you say no, they deny your entry and confiscate your hardware.

        The only way I know of is to format a clean laptop and burner phone with nothing on it and put all your necessary work files in the cloud so you can get them back after getting to your hotel – and even then I’ve heard people denied because it was clear the machine was formatted too recently and they suspected people trying to do this trick and they dont like tricks.

        so your burner laptops and phone have to look “lived in” but still benign. It’s much easier just to video chat whatever business youre trying to get done in the usa, and if you’re a tourist there are lots of better places to go anyway.

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          Wait they can just take your laptop and keep it? I’m not even in their country yet. Crazy

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            Wouldn’t matter if you were a citizen. Civil Forfeiture is a thing here. If the authorities think your property was used, or was intended to be used in a crime, they can seize it. Your property doesn’t have constitutional rights, so they can literally hold a trial against your stuff, with no legal representation and keep it permanently.