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There is a very special place in hell for all nintendo lawyers.
Nintendo can count on its games being pirated even more now. Good for me that I never touched a nintendo in my life.
I helped add to that by modding my launch Switch this past weekend. Nice to be able to play Link’s Awakening without that ugly-ass blur!
I have never played any Nintendo games. Idk what people see in them. I feel like people buy them mostly because of nostalgia. First game you ever played and all that, and then they buy switch for their kid.
This is bad news for emulation though.
Most of them are good games. Nintendo cares about their games, especially first party ones.
I don’t care for them anymore, but the SNES, N64 and Gameboy eras were and still are magical.
I have bought them because they are fun.
Wow. Fuck Nintendo. I own 2 switches and ToTK. Of course I emulate it, so I don’t have to play at 20fps. And I can mod the game. Not buying another nintendo product again. I’m done. I’ll just pirate it since it seems I don’t own it anyways. Can’t play it where I want, how I want, so why play by the rules at all.
Fuck nintendo .
Say it again
FUCK NINTENDO
Fuck Nintendo. I paid full price for BotW late last year, $100 fucking dollars for a six year old game. I wasn’t happy about it but whatever, greatest game ever right? What could go wrong? Turns out BotW is a mid game at best and I got bored before my trip ended.
I am still completely baffled at the reception that game got.
BotW was pretty much the only modern Nintendo game I wanted to play. Seemed mid/fine when I tried it but yeah many say it’s great.
Here is the latest stable build of Yuzu that I’ve got from 24 hours ago for anyone who wasn’t able to download it in time.
Anyone downloading executable code from a random person on the internet needs to take a course in digital safety.
I assume you’re not being malicious, OXero0, but none of us can possibly know that.
For anyone thinking of downloading it, wait until the popular, vetted forks show up. If you don’t already have a working version, you don’t need it today.
But she said shes clean, and the scabs are from a genital tattoo!
So surely its okay for me to fuck the 3 dollar hooker?
Best to get a copy or two of the source code
Yes, everyone should be careful downloading files from a rando on the internet. But at the same time, most people just want to get the files and don’t want or know how to deal with the source code. And everything is on archive.org but not everyone knows about it, and they probably don’t want to wait for a new emulator when they know the old one works. I’m not saying that you should trust me, you don’t know me, I don’t know you, so as you said, it’s best to be careful anyway. Btw, I’ve read that Yuzu collected telemetry, and now that Nintendo owns the site, it’s best to set up a firewall and block Yuzu from accessing the internet so be safe.
Let this be a lesson: if you try to forcibly pry open the gates of DRM hell and let software be free, you best let it be truly free and only money off it from the donations of your supporters. Don’t be like yuzu and monetize the living hell out of your emulator. Don’t stuff it with telemetry, don’t hide releases behind a patreon paywall.
That all being said, fuck Nintendo.
tbf there was never a paywall. ea = latest yuzu master branch with some work-in-progress-but-almost-ready-for-general-use prs merged in.
anyone could have taken the repo, merged prs from the list and built it, with no need to pay for anything. It’s free software after allThere was actually someone who did that, the repo was called pineapple-src and it was fairly popular
Yeah you’re right, it was brought to my attention that the lawsuit was about decrypting games, especially Tears of the Kingdom, before they were released. The monetization was just to provide earlier access to precompiled binaries
Bleem was a paid and they won, but this was before the anti circumvention addendum. Yuzu wasn’t sued for being an emulator, but because it used the keys file to decrypt games.
Should have let the decryption be fully external, and not just needing the keys
I can load a pirated copy onto a modded console, does that mean that Nintendo is liable for their software being used for piracy?
Yeah, they better pay themselves some damages… Oh wait.
And I was thinking of cloning the repo. Fuck
I set up a script the other day to check the repo every half hour or so and download any updates. I will give myself a reminder tomorrow to post it on Dropbox or something, if you don’t find it elsewhere.
Torrenting is probably the best idea.
Money is a weapon in western society. You can’t win just because you’re right
Yup, I don’t think I’m buying any Nintendo products anytime soon
I mean, why would you? Nintendo has been anti-consumer for a long time now.
This is just a drop in the bucket for them, not nearly as bad as trying to extort lets players/streamers into giving over half their income to nintendo and shit like that.
F you Nintendo.
Nintendo got them alone in a dark room and told them that if they don’t settle, admit and pay something they might be able to pay off in their lifetimes (Nintendo doesn’t care about the money, 2.4 million is nothing to them), Nintendo would tie them up in legal battles for years, still making them broke and probably blocking them from doing something new.
Or something.
Fucking corporate shills. Why can’t we just all have fun gaming. Piracy increases sales.
There’s no way they would state that directly, or they would be labeled a vexatious litigant. They might have emphasized their desire to refuse future settlement offers if the first one wasn’t taken, if you catch my drift.
Personally I think there’s a direct indirectness in everything you say to a person when alone in a dark room.
For those looking for the latest Yuzu and Citra releases: Yuzu Win/Linux Early Access, Yuzu Android, Citra Win/Mac/Linux/Android.
I’m sorry but how is using the actual keys from a legally purchased system circumventing anything? It’s like saying using the actual key to your own front door counts as breaking and entering.
You didn’t read the article did you?
I’m pretty sure the keys aren’t a part of the actual game/download, it’s a part of your Switch. So if you have an emulator with one of those keys built in, it’s piracy.
I think what they should have done is prompt the user to put it in themselves and then we could just find keys on the internet and avoid this whole situation. But I’m no expert
I think what they should have done is prompt the user to put it in themselves and then we could just find keys on the internet and avoid this whole situation. But I’m no expert
That’s exactly how it is… Yuzu does not distribute those files. They give you a guide on how to dump it yourself from your own Switch.
Oh… Huh, yeah then I’m with you lol, idk how they ended up winning that battle
Yuzu settled. They basically laid down and died. But I don’t blame them. $2.4m is probably nothing compared to what they would have paid in legal fees to actually go to court. Even if they won.
DRM is evil. Laws prohibiting circumventing DRM are also evil.
It isn’t, but when you are a small project the law is inconsequential if a massive corporation goes after you and you don’t have the money for the legal battle.
It shouldn’t be illegal, but it is because the law about it was written by the industry 25 years ago because our lawmakers think the internet and indoor plumbing work the same way.
Hey man, IP, you pee, whatever.
Except of course anyone can manufacture and sell plug compatible pipes.
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Honestly
Yes, but the emulator doesn’t circumvent any copy protection. It utilizes the decryption key from your own hardware (assuming you dumped it yourself) to run ROMs which have already had the DRM circumvented by whatever was used to dump them in the first place (which the emulator doesn’t do).
This is generally the same reason why emulators have been ruled legal in past court cases.
Because the dmca says so.
Because you’re using the system outside of its intended purpose to break the law. That’s basically the definition of hacking.
I’m not sure why it being illegal to sell a tool to do that is a hard concept to grasp for so many people.
I’m not against emulation or pirating, but no shit this was going to happen eventually.
The electronic key I purchased and collected from my own hardware is “hacking” because Nintendo’s doesn’t intend it? Maybe the legality of selling a tool to get the key is a hard concept to grasp because the premise is objectionable. If a Switch makes a good doorstop then it will be doing it’s “intended purpose” if that’s what I intend for my property.
I’m against companies having unjust control over our own computing. Eventually we will stop tolerating the abuse of people contributing to an open/libre community.
You might own the hardware, but you don’t own the rights to the OS that runs on it. The encryption key is part of that software.
It’s not a hard concept to grasp. If I was openly selling a tool to break the activation lock on Windows, I could expect the same result.
Sony tried to claim ownership of an encryption key and were justifiably mocked them for trying to own a long number. A number tied to a copy of Windows can be owned/resold in Europe - I don’t know the exact legal justifications but needing the key to actually use the software you paid for probably has something to do with it. Nintendo chooses to encode a key exactly because copyright law prevents people decoding it, otherwise I could use software I paid for how I want and on hardware I choose.
I think user software freedom aught to be a more known concept in society.
That’s a ridiculous idea. If I buy a computer with an OS that has an encryption key to protect the hard drive, and later I need that key to remove my data to another system, I have an entirely reasonable expectation that I’m allowed to do so, regardless of how much the computer manufacturer doesn’t want me to.
Okay, so no, it’s not hacking. It doesn’t fall under hacking laws. It’s not illegal to sell hacking tools. Basically, everything you said is wrong.
In this case, it’s all about copyright and the DMCA, which made it illegal to break the copyright protection systems companies put in place or to make or distribute tools to break copyright protection systems.
So, nothing to do will selling things or hacking. Everything to do with copyright and draconian dot come era laws.
Circumventing copyright protections by using encryption keys in an unauthorized manner is hacking.
This case might not be explicitly about hacking, but profiting off tools that use IP to circumvent protections is illegal.
It’s not hacking. Sorry.
Nintendo’s angle is more along the lines of:
- We gave our friend Switchy the keys to a lockbox.
- You tricked Switchy into giving you our keys.
- We didn’t authorize you to use those keys.
- Using our keys without our permission is circumventing our DRM.
- Yuzu is a tool that enables you to use our keys.
- It’s illegal to distribute tools to circumvent DRM.
It’s a massive reach, but it’s a plausible argument—or even a good one if the judge is a technologically illiterate luddite. Beyond that, Nintendo is the kind of litigant that will drag out a lawsuit until the other party is forced to settle.
A court in Germany has recently decided that reading the code of a software you legally purchased and finding plain text passwords there is illegal hacking.
The person was hired to do a security audit (by a third party) and disclosed the finding to the software developer, not even to his own employer.
The developer decided to sue him instead of fixing the problem.
At this point I have lost all trust in the technological capacities of judges out there.
There’s a different kind of judge now than the technologically illiterate?
I can’t quite remember the name, but there is actually at least one U.S. judge that takes the time and effort to learn about the technology in depth before making a ruling.
He’s William Alsup, who presided over the Oracle vs Google case about Java API copyrightability.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Alsup#Notable_cases
Thank you. I need to bookmark this glorious man’s Wikipedia page.
Then companies must go out of their way to avoid them.
Not sure it will ever get better. Maybe a single person being allowed to decide a case that requires a technical understanding should be consulted by experts in it. I guess a better lawyer probably should have made that happen (shouldn’t have to). But, as the old geezers die off and the younger “tech savvy” people take over, they will no longer be young or tech savvy, technologywill keep progressing and pass us up too. And you don’t want an actual young person as a judge. So… the system is just broken.
If I’m not authorized to use those keys, how do I use Switchy?
I guess all Nintendo games are illegal to play by that argument, even with their console
