I use the apps my friends use but it gets tiring to keep up with so many.
Fuck, I actually do have all of them.
I have 2 more :(
- Have friends
- Talk to them.
What kind of a take is this? What are you trying to say? “don’t use messaging”? Amish take? Genuinely trying to understand
Your options are RCS, Signal, or Lemmy mentions. Or losing contact with me I guess but I’m irresistible
So… proprietary data collecting thing owned by Google, service that requires phone number to sign up, or service that does not even pretend to be E2EE and (worse) routes chat traffic through multiple potentially-adversary-controlled servers on its way to you?
- RCS is licensed GSMA, not owned by Google
- Signal requiring a phone number is a REALLY minor drawback
- Obviously lemmy mentions would not be for messages intended to be private, but for anyone to see, just like this one here.
You know RCS is not proprietary, right
But like saying Android isn’t proprietary.
Like yeah, technically true, but in reality everybody uses a proprietary version of it controlled by Google.
it might as well be with how much control google has over who gets to implement it and how
“I only talk to other nerds” basically
Nah everyone has RCS these days except people with old phones and iPhones, and even the iPhones are going to be rcs compatible soon
The average person just has no idea about RCS or protocols in general and are incidental adopters of it just like SMS. Sometimes these nerd debates about platforms and protocols emphasize technology features over actually connecting with people or doing something productive on said technology.
What is RCS?
It’s a messaging standard, it’s pretty much SMS + Internet features. Developed like a decade ago and apple he been trying to dumpster it since then.
RCS, Signal, or Lemmy
I wish. But I don’t know a single person that uses any of those.
Reality check: nobody cares about you if you do not comply with societal “common denominator” norms.
As unfortunate and bullshit as that sounds, it will always hold true. This is the reason I have Whatsapp and Discord work profile sandboxed and highly restricted running through custom HOSTS ruleset + NetGuard. I concluded these are the 2 platforms needed to minmax information “freedom” and social compliance.
I have all of them. Plus linkedin. This is madness
Do not have Instagram and FB Messenger. Discord and WhatsApp are sandboxed, permission restricted and firewalled.
Signal is a fucking desert despite converting so many contacts. Nobody uses it in the past few years.
i use aliucord on my phone, it has plugins, the old ui, and no telemetry
I do not want to risk an unnecessary ban, and I use an old official version anyway. Discord gives a lot of “freedom” as far as information and insight into internet social activity goes.
Beeper handles most of these
Beeper doesn’t seem to exist yet
There’s a waitlist, they’re churning through it
i really fucking hate discord.
Why does EVERYTHING have to be proprietary. Fucking capitalism.
I really wanted to keep faith in it after the ui overhaul recently - VoIP performance was SO much better on Xbox, latency specifically. But good GOD the mobile app is just a pile of garbage nowdays. I have so many friends stuck on that platform, I still end up sharing links there to Lemmy memes and like 60% of the time when I share to the app it permenantly sticks on the splash screen??? 🙄 notifications are fucked these days too, myself & my friend group regularly miss messages entirely, even with direct @ mentions?!
Worse, I dropped a crap review and complained that function has dropped horribly since the update and the devs INSTANTLY replied like “Have you tried pretending you’re a beta tester for us? Do you mind doing a buncha troubleshooting you definitely haven’t already done?” (They wanted me to reinstall the app… Smh)
Anyway - fuck discord. I’m planning to shift to Revolt, but if anyone has better suggestions I’d be happy to try some!
im genuinely surprised discord even tries testing things on the two test branches they have. Yes, you heard me correctly, they have TWO separate testing branches. Bugs literally should not exist on the stable branch.
also when it comes to voip, i’ve enjoyed mumble, it’s pretty solid, minimal, configurable (highly integrated into games already, it’s old af though so maybe not new games) and works pretty well. Revolt seems alright, but it’s plagued with bugs, and weird issues, plus it’s self hosting is just, jank.
We could use a self hosted discord replacement tbh.
Reject Discord, go back to Teamspeak
Its pretty amazing for voice communication in gaming.
As a messenging app? Meh
dude discord has been one of the worst experiences for voip in gaming IME. I started using mumble SOLELY because discord was actually just disappointing. Though tbf maybe if i paid out the ass for nitro it’s better? I ain’t paying for that though.
Though yeah, for messaging, it’s dogshit, It’s a mess.
A funny advice I will give is recommending you and your friends use noise cancelling audio gear. It will help regardless of the platform.
this is honestly the only good thing about discord, the krisp noise reduction is actually kind of good. It only took them like 3 years to implement it on the linux client. And we’ve only had system wide noise filtering since the dawn of time.
Although since we’re on the topic, discord manages input/output in the single most inconceivably stupid manner possible.
On Linux I use an app called NoiseTorch that creates a virtual mic to cut out background noise in any application
i get much better call quality in telegram
I don’t get why people like it either. It’s a mess of chats.
Gamers using it for gaming. In game Voice communication is trash
And that’s fine, but why do gamers use it over any other VoIP option? And why the infinity chat channels over infinity servers?
Content creator branding, and “community”
Because it’s the standard for gaming. I use it and would drop it in a heartbeat if it wasn’t standard for every mmo out there.
Don’t like it - don’t use it. It’s a free (capitalist) country.
that’s the cool thing, i dont, but you know who does? You, and you know how i would need to contact you? Through discord! Uh oh!
I don’t use discord
damn didn’t know you weren’t all of my other friends.
Matrix with bridges can help consolidate them. Some managed versions exist like Beeper and Element. Been slowly moving to that. Will eventually self host.
Yeah… This 1000 times… It DOES bother me to install all that shit. What doesn’t bother me? Installing a bridge on Matrix and having everything in one place. Hell I’ve even started adding matrix to my linux scripts. I get notifications about script status in dedicated spaces on my single chat window.
I’m literally SMS away from doing 100% of the chat clients I use for personal usage… And seriously debating on bridging teams for work usage.
I’ve even gotten my wife onboard. That, to me, speaks about how frustrated normal people are with having many different apps as well.
Used a self hosted matrix with element for years now it’s solid. Have a friend group who uses it for everything with dedicated channels etc.
they are beasts to set up self host. I’m going to do it one day
Matrix via docker is pretty simple actually.
Took me like 30 mins to set it up exactly like I wanted on my kubernetes cluster.
oh yeah? can you point me to tutorials or examples? i tried the official github but got a little overwhelmed.
Would you like docs on just the docker component or a kubernetes centered doc?
docker please. i got overwhelmed with all the fields that need to be set up.
I have not tried it. But this doc seems to make sense and isn’t very opinionated.
https://computingforgeeks.com/run-synapse-matrix-homeserver-in-docker-containers/
One of the aspects that is glossed over in this doc however is the networking parts. There are many ways to setup your DNS, certificates, and ingress depending on how/where you are hosting the container.
that’s really good thank you!
What frustrates me the most about this is that if we promote one commercial solution to the top of the heap, destroying all others, we still lose.
Add SimpleX and Conversations-i2p
Yep SimpleX works great. Although every time I read the name I think of herpes.
Hahaha, SimpleX on Android is fine, the Desktop client is kinda incompatible with anything (no flatpak, the ubuntu version is kinda broken, no repo, their sync requires a random firewall port to be open)
Interesting. For my desktop, I just installed a binary from the AUR and it works wonderfully.
Yeah I avoid installing stuff to my system but I looked into RPM .spec files and that should be possible too. Flatpak would be the way to go though.
Personally, I do the opposite. I try to avoid flatpaks and the like. And the AUR enables that really well
Welcome to security I guess
Security is a compromise between convenience and safety.
However, simply using flatpaks isn’t inherently more secure than using a binary or compiling from source. But it can make it easier to be secure for people that don’t want to manage their own sandboxes.
It’s also easier for devs so they only have to make one version of their app which in theory should work on all systems. But in practice I find it doesn’t always work that way
Schildichat > Element
Yeah I’m using Schildi at the moment as well. Thought since it’s a fork of Element, and most people recognize its logo, I featured it instead.
So glad everyone here just uses whatsapp. Yeah yeah, meta sucks and privacy is bad. I prefer the ease of use and being able to communicate though.
You can just use Matrix with bridges
You got a guide? I have not been able to setup the thing
Easiest way to get going: https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy
What’s the app in the middle? Never seen that logo
Element, one of the few (only?) entirely open source, encrypted, and federated chat platforms out there.
Thats the app Element for the Matrix network
Let’s just go back to IRC and XMPP. The modern “chat” landscape is dismal.
