Summary

Donald Trump’s push to annex Canada as the 51st U.S. state is confusing due to its sudden and unexplained emergence.

Initially praising Canada as an ally, Trump now aggressively seeks annexation, imposing tariffs, criticizing trade deficits, and challenging established borders and treaties.

Former officials and congressional Republicans express bewilderment, stating they have “no clue” about Trump’s motivation.

Canadian leaders and the U.S. business community strongly oppose the move, citing sovereignty and economic harm.

Republicans also question Trump’s strategy, noting annexation would add millions of liberal-leaning voters and complicate American politics.

  • thefluffiest@feddit.nl
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    2 months ago

    This is his (stupid and selfdefeating) way to tackle four problems:

    1. US industry, especially those close to him, needs rare earth minerals. Canada and especially Greenland might provide those.
    2. Climate change will render large parts of the US uninhabitable in a few decades time. The US therefore needs Lebensraum. Now that’s a word he and his right-arm-raising friends love.
    3. Combining 2 and 1, the Arctic is melting. Exposing all sorts of new mineable goodies, and opening up new waterways. That will provide new economic opportunities as well as create new military threats. Owning Canada and Greenland would go a long way towards mitigating that.
    4. Trump sees a future in which a few large power blocks control the world. Currently, the US is one of the smallest of those: only 350 million where China and India are over 1 billion each, Europe is more than 500 million, etc. So the US needs to expand and grow its population size.
      • Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        100%. T rump is just a tool that they put in place to do their bidding and to be a fall guy when the people finally get off their asses.

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        Point 1 will be underscored regularly by his oligarch cronies, like Musk, Bezos and Brin - those that want to build rockets, electronics and batteries. They would love for the US to become totally independent of China, in minerals but also production capacity and price levels.

        Point 3 will be mostly military talking points, and although it’s not in the media much, the race for the Arctic has been on for a while.

        Points 2 and 4 are about raw power on the world stage, and that’s something Trump does understand. He doesn’t believe in cultural, diplomatic or economic power - only military. It also rhymes with nazi ideology about Lebensraum, a homeland for the ‘pure race’ that derives its global power from its purity. It might also involve a breeding ideology.

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        Yes, because they want “the right population.” Fascist ideals are often contradictory and self-defeating. The Nazis could have had atomic weapons if they hadn’t treated Jews as subhuman; that would have been a big help in their plans for world domination.

        Their plan for solving their shrinking population is simple though; force everyone to have more babies. Remove all access to abortion, remove all access to contraception, destroy same sex marriage, destroy the ability for women to get divorced, destroy any form of social support that could help women who leave their partners, and offer incentives to families who have more children. Oh, and if course remove all child labour laws so families can afford to have more kids by sending them all off to jobs at Amazon when they’re 12.

        (There are concrete examples of Republicans pushing every single one of those policies, in case you weren’t aware)

        Basically, if you see women as nothing more than baby factories who don’t deserve anything frivolous like rights, population growth seems like an easy problem to solve.

  • evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world
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    It’s not really confusing. His whole strategy, as we saw during his first term, is to do and say so much outrageous stuff that no particular scandal can stick with him. He also thinks being a bully is being a good businessman.

    I doubt he would actually want to annex anywhere, but it’s easy ragebait that he can keep bringing up to keep news on that and off of his crimes.

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      Bull pucks. The man isn’t playing 4-D chess with the News, he’s not even do a deliberate Gish-Gallop. He’s just saying the first thing that pops in to his head. And right now that’s I want to go down in history as the greatest president ever. He thinks if he expands the US he’ll be bigger then Jefferson.

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        I don’t think he himself is necessarily doing it as part of a strategy; i think it’s really the people around him. He’s basically a loose cannon with a bunch of idiots dancing around with matches trying to light the fuse while it’s pointed where they want to hit.

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      Agreed. The outlandish stuff is actually a little bit safer. Actually dangerous geopolitical stuff that might kick off something he can’t control, because it might realistically happen, he avoids like the plague unless it carries some kind of strong benefit to him personally. He just likes to talk shit because it’s fun. I don’t think it is any more complicated than that.

      I suspect that this is why Musk was brought in. Musk is actually willing to take an axe to the main pillars of the building, in a lot more energetic and systematized fashion than Trump would be inclined to.

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    Why believe Congressional Republicans at their word when they say they don’t support this talk or don’t know where it is coming from? They’re collaborator filth. They will “suddenly” fall in line when something actionable is put forth.

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    I mean it really isn’t confusing if you at it through the lens of Putin told his lackey to fuck up everything he could concentrating on wrecking our strongest trading and defense relationships.

    Seen through that lens it’s very clear what the agenda is: Weaken the US and its allies.

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    If you are confused by any of this, you have turds for brains.

    He is a dementia-riddled adult psychopath, and will do anything he wants to destroy this country and everything we stand for because he’s mad 1000% of people don’t let him.

    Either do everything you can to resistance stop him, or just lay down and let it happen. There is no in between.

    Endless you actively and openly resist Trump, you are an absolute fucking Nazi, just like he is. Four, without your active and strong resistance, you might as well just be ready for every horrible thing he does.

    Shame on you for thinking there is anything in between the freedom of the people and Trump‘s Nazi thinking that there could be compromise puts you on the same historical ridiculousness as Neville Chamberlain, and the results will be no less than the same, and very likely far worse because you did not stand up and resistant

    I hope your milk toast, appeasement and make you happy to the bread. Everyone else left living on earth will hate you forever.

    Remember that

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      Hate to be that guy, but it’s “milquetoast.”

      Totally agree with the rest of it thought!

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            I’m not responsible for your feelings. And I’m definitely not responsible for everything that you and your friends said that to you, as being Nazis

            If you don’t like being called a Nazi, stop being a fucking Nazi

            If you don’t like being called a Nazi, then stop being a Nazi.

            The problem here is Nazis, not the fact that I happen to notice that you and all of your friends are Nazis.

            If you don’t want to be called out as a Nazi, stop being a Nazi

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      I don’t know what people find so confusing about this. This is the business mindset. If you’re not growing your failing. Empires get bigger by taking more land. Therefore the American empire must take more land. It’s not rocket science. It’s a child’s view of ‘winning’.

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    2 months ago

    Republicans: I vigorously maintain that dementia is, in fact, pretty fucking cool.

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    “Canada only works as a state,” Trump said Thursday. “We don’t need anything they have. As a state, it would be one of the great states anywhere. This would be the most incredible country, visually. If you look at a map, they drew an artificial line right through it, between Canada and the U.S. Just a straight, artificial line. Somebody did it a long time ago, many many decades ago. Makes no sense. It’s so perfect as a great and cherished state.”

    They’re all “artificial” lines Donald

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      Each province should be a state! We will be come blue as a country and can have Medicare for all and high speed rail.

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        No chance. Canada would be a guerrilla war zone for many, many years. One of Canadian’s most important identities is being not American.

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      It’s so perfect as a great and cherished state.

      Wrong word, Donald. You mean “coveted.” You don’t cherish Canada, you covet it.

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      Trump sees the world through the lens of autarky. It’s like the man fell out of the 18th century. He thinks nations are these self-sufficient organisms living on the planet, competing for resources, etc. He thinks trade means dependency and weakness, rather than mutual benefit and specialization. The man has never had to share anything with anyone in his entire life; it’s not surprising he would have such a warped world view.

      That is what he means by “Canada only works as a (US) state.” The US really could make a decent play at autarky. The US gets about 30% of its GDP from trade; Canada gets 70%. It’s foolish to try to do it overnight. But if the US wanted to make an attempt at autarky, and made the transition over decades? The US could pull that off. It would mean being poorer than we would be otherwise. We would have to accept more expensive and lower quality goods, but we could do it. The US has a large enough land area, population, and resource base that it could, on its own, maintain an industrial society completely from domestic resources.

      Canada? It would have a much, much harder time at autarky. If both the US and Canada forever closed all their international borders tomorrow, Canada would end up a lot worse off than the US. Canada, as an island nation unto itself, would have a really hard time surviving.

      Of course, there’s no damn reason that nations need to survive by autarky. They’re not independent islands. And we all grow richer by specialization and trade. But that fundamentally is not how Trump sees the world.

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      “We don’t need anything they have […]”

      I say again, “okay, Dougie, blink the lights a bit.”

      Shut down 4 red states for the weekend and see how it goes.

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    It was on one of the pieces of paper he agreed to sign when he accepted the money and ‘technical assistance’, so he’s 100% on board.

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    2 months ago

    It might be confusing dumb muricans, but its pissing canadians off

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      Yeah, I have never hated the USA more than I do now, and Americans kind of pissed me off before all this already with the whole superiority complex thing. Even if everything reversed course overnight, Canadians won’t ever forget any of this

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    2 months ago

    The Canadians are our homies, why would orange want to hurt our homie? They’ve been with us thru thick and thin, and now orange wants to fuck things up for us? Don’t think we want this either dear Canadians, those ball guzzlers just regurgitate whatever orange says. Even if it hurts us, by Canadian goods only until orange leaves office, if not sooner because homies should only kiss, not attack.

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    2 months ago

    Climate change will make the southern 2/3 of the USA unlivable within a few decades. Canada has a lot of land. Trump’s teamwants it and the resources within.