Upon leaving the EU any laws that were in use made were ‘enshrined’ into UK law. In order for the UK to remove EU laws we’d need to actively remove them through an act of parliament. (At least that’s my vague understanding…) https://www.legislation.gov.uk/eu-legislation-and-uk-law
I’m happy to keep the EU laws, it’ll save time when we rejoin.🇪🇺🇬🇧
would we really though? think about them driving around in their austin powers union jack painted minis, just whipping around random roundabouts saying “I say” and “buh herr hear haar”
It would take years for the UK to rejoin. First there’d have to be public polling, referendum and a desire by the sitting government to start the process then it’ll be however long it takes for the EU to debate the application and then the UK needs all members to accept the application. Currently neither the two largest UK parties want to even re-open the brexit debates. So basically it’d be at least over a decade.
We could maybe be on a Norway-style deal sooner than that though… Some things like single market access or Erasmus membership don’t necessarily require the long process of EU accession
That would require Freedom Of Movement, which from my experience living in the UK at the time of the Leave Referendum was the main thing driving the Leave vote, closely followed by the UK having to follow EU directives (i.e. the whole “sovereignty” malarkey).
Looking around (not the just UK), xenophobia has become even stronger since, not weaker and Norway-style is still mainly “following EU directives”, though with some opt-outs in things not to do with Trade or Freedom Of Movement.
Also this time around it would be Spain as an EU member whilst the UK tried to get in (the reverse of last time) so they would probably demand to get Gibraltar back as condition for their vote (which is required since a unanimous vote is required). More in general pretty much any EU member with a bone to pick with the UK would get their chance, which might also be interesting for the likes of Greece (better make sure there isn’t a leftwing government in Greece given how the UK literally intervened militarilly to make sure at the end of WWII that the Fascists ended up in power in Greece, a dictatorship that lasted until the 80s).
I think it’s only unfair for people who aren’t nationalists.
Those who think they’re important because they hail from an important country, on the other hand, deserve the bad along with the perceived good. Sadly in my experience Britain is thick with nationalism, heavilly promoted even by the slant of international news on TV (were Britain’s importance to the rest is always exagerated), much more than other countries I lived in.
IMHO, Brexit was powered by that excessive nationalism and even the Remain side displayed a heavilly nationalist streak (I remember the “we should stay and change the EU from the inside” argument, implying that 50 million Britons should lead the other 470 million in the EU) so it’s only fair if others reciprocate.
Personally I think most Britons deserve it, though definitelly not all.
They’re still forced to adopt it as soon as they reach some requirements. The worst player is Sweden, that’s actively trying not to reach the requirements so they can keep the crown
Yeah, EU directives need to be adopted into local country legislature (with some deadlines), whereas EU delegated acts (usually hierarchically under a directive) automatically apply to all EU members. Hehe, members.
The GDPR is a not a directive. It’s a regulation. Nontheless, I read that the GDPR was specifically mirrored into UK law with a couple minor modifications.
But to answer @automaton@lemmy.world, AFAIK the #GDPR does not apply in this situation anyway because Reddit accounts are “anonymous”. The GDPR only protects identified people.
That’s how I understand the UK situation too, however what is anonymous is left much for debate & sometimes local best-practices. Like, a user can be identifiable by their posts, or even full name.
If I create an anonymous account but put what looks like a real name in the username field, and sign all posts with that real-looking name, who’s to say it’s really my name? Then suppose I lose my internet connection but want to exercise my right to be forgotten. The GDPR enables people to make an Art.17 request in writing but the GDPR also mandates that data controllers identify who the request comes from (so Mallory does not request deletion of Alice’s records). If a user ad hoc puts their name on everything then mails a request with a copy of their ID card which matches the name they put on everything, it’s a bit off because a company who does not ID users would not normally have the infrastructure in place to support GDPR requests. (and that’s a good thing… it’s good that there’s incentive to support the practice of offering anonymous accounts) But here’s the other problem: the ID mechanism itself must be minimal. A data controller cannot demand a full copy of your ID card if they can verify using something less intrusive like date of birth to verify you. Perhaps in this case a copy of the ID card would be necessary. OTOH, names are not generally unique, which would mean I could use my ID card to request deletion of all records of other people who have the same name.
As a practical matter, we also have to figure that DPAs are extremely lazy. I’ve filed many Art.77 reports with strong irrefutable evidence and the cases just sit for years. I cannot see a DPA being motivated to work on a case that Reddit can easily defend. OP’s best move is to look at local anti-spam laws (I’m guessing it’s spam… I do not have access to the Cloudflared image the OP posted).
An e-mail address is “user identifying information” per GDPR, so if the UK version does not differ from the EU version on this (and it would be pretty weird if it did), it applies.
Upon leaving the EU any laws that were in use made were ‘enshrined’ into UK law. In order for the UK to remove EU laws we’d need to actively remove them through an act of parliament. (At least that’s my vague understanding…) https://www.legislation.gov.uk/eu-legislation-and-uk-law
I’m happy to keep the EU laws, it’ll save time when we rejoin.🇪🇺🇬🇧
When is that going to happen? I would be very happy to have you back in the club 😊
would we really though? think about them driving around in their austin powers union jack painted minis, just whipping around random roundabouts saying “I say” and “buh herr hear haar”
It would take years for the UK to rejoin. First there’d have to be public polling, referendum and a desire by the sitting government to start the process then it’ll be however long it takes for the EU to debate the application and then the UK needs all members to accept the application. Currently neither the two largest UK parties want to even re-open the brexit debates. So basically it’d be at least over a decade.
We could maybe be on a Norway-style deal sooner than that though… Some things like single market access or Erasmus membership don’t necessarily require the long process of EU accession
That would require Freedom Of Movement, which from my experience living in the UK at the time of the Leave Referendum was the main thing driving the Leave vote, closely followed by the UK having to follow EU directives (i.e. the whole “sovereignty” malarkey).
Looking around (not the just UK), xenophobia has become even stronger since, not weaker and Norway-style is still mainly “following EU directives”, though with some opt-outs in things not to do with Trade or Freedom Of Movement.
Also this time around it would be Spain as an EU member whilst the UK tried to get in (the reverse of last time) so they would probably demand to get Gibraltar back as condition for their vote (which is required since a unanimous vote is required). More in general pretty much any EU member with a bone to pick with the UK would get their chance, which might also be interesting for the likes of Greece (better make sure there isn’t a leftwing government in Greece given how the UK literally intervened militarilly to make sure at the end of WWII that the Fascists ended up in power in Greece, a dictatorship that lasted until the 80s).
Ugh, it sucks to be taken revenge on for things that you literally weren’t even around for to be able to stop.
I think it’s only unfair for people who aren’t nationalists.
Those who think they’re important because they hail from an important country, on the other hand, deserve the bad along with the perceived good. Sadly in my experience Britain is thick with nationalism, heavilly promoted even by the slant of international news on TV (were Britain’s importance to the rest is always exagerated), much more than other countries I lived in.
IMHO, Brexit was powered by that excessive nationalism and even the Remain side displayed a heavilly nationalist streak (I remember the “we should stay and change the EU from the inside” argument, implying that 50 million Britons should lead the other 470 million in the EU) so it’s only fair if others reciprocate.
Personally I think most Britons deserve it, though definitelly not all.
Maybe but that would also mean people from let’s say Poland can live and work in the UK right? I thought that was one of the bigger Brexit points.
This is more probable, because there’s no way the UK is ever going to accept to abandon the pound sterling and migrate to the euro after re-entry.
Then again, a ton of countries haven’t accepted the Euro yet even though they pinky promised they would. Look at Poland
They’re still forced to adopt it as soon as they reach some requirements. The worst player is Sweden, that’s actively trying not to reach the requirements so they can keep the crown
Plus, it’s unlikely that the UK will get the same terms they had when they left. That will have to be negotiated as well.
They gave you a do-over. Things could change in the term, but my expectations are low. See: the US
Yeah, EU directives need to be adopted into local country legislature (with some deadlines), whereas EU delegated acts (usually hierarchically under a directive) automatically apply to all EU members. Hehe, members.
The GDPR is a not a directive. It’s a regulation. Nontheless, I read that the GDPR was specifically mirrored into UK law with a couple minor modifications.
But to answer @automaton@lemmy.world, AFAIK the #GDPR does not apply in this situation anyway because Reddit accounts are “anonymous”. The GDPR only protects identified people.
/cc @d00ery@lemmy.world
That’s how I understand the UK situation too, however what is anonymous is left much for debate & sometimes local best-practices. Like, a user can be identifiable by their posts, or even full name.
If I create an anonymous account but put what looks like a real name in the username field, and sign all posts with that real-looking name, who’s to say it’s really my name? Then suppose I lose my internet connection but want to exercise my right to be forgotten. The GDPR enables people to make an Art.17 request in writing but the GDPR also mandates that data controllers identify who the request comes from (so Mallory does not request deletion of Alice’s records). If a user ad hoc puts their name on everything then mails a request with a copy of their ID card which matches the name they put on everything, it’s a bit off because a company who does not ID users would not normally have the infrastructure in place to support GDPR requests. (and that’s a good thing… it’s good that there’s incentive to support the practice of offering anonymous accounts) But here’s the other problem: the ID mechanism itself must be minimal. A data controller cannot demand a full copy of your ID card if they can verify using something less intrusive like date of birth to verify you. Perhaps in this case a copy of the ID card would be necessary. OTOH, names are not generally unique, which would mean I could use my ID card to request deletion of all records of other people who have the same name.
As a practical matter, we also have to figure that DPAs are extremely lazy. I’ve filed many Art.77 reports with strong irrefutable evidence and the cases just sit for years. I cannot see a DPA being motivated to work on a case that Reddit can easily defend. OP’s best move is to look at local anti-spam laws (I’m guessing it’s spam… I do not have access to the Cloudflared image the OP posted).
An e-mail address is “user identifying information” per GDPR, so if the UK version does not differ from the EU version on this (and it would be pretty weird if it did), it applies.
See https://infosec.pub/comment/6975469