It’s Musk’s drug of choice

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    Hard dissociatives can make you lose your grasp on reality?

    REEEEAAALLLY?

    Wow, I’m absolutely stunned at this new information.

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      He is a danger to us all, man with that much money and completely insane by drug abuse. What if he decides nuclear war would be fun to watch? He is already in control of a country with most nukes in the world so it wouldnt be that hard to arrange. Wouldnt surprise me if he thought he could also stop it if he wanted or control everything about it.

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    Wait, you mean persistent drug abuse can lead to a state of psychosis where people act impulsively, have delusions of grandeur, and have no regard for how their actions impact others?

    Surely there aren’t any other historical figures we can compare this to.

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    Ketamine: from saving lives in surgeries to inflating egos in boardrooms—what a career pivot. Informative and well-researched yet slightly alarmist.

    🐱🐱🐱🐱

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      It makes you stupid. I never felt on top of the world but it may have led to some strange behavior idk but nothing crazy.

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    What are the long term effects of having a child with a father who’s a nazi and a ketamine addict? Asking for a South African…

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      Trump obtained last thursday (feb 27th) the extradition of 29 drug cartel’s barons from Mexicans prisons to US, so, he quite have the choice

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      He’s the richest man on earth. He probably has people moving product just for his consumption and distribution. There’s no way all he uses is K. People at the billionaire level probably take drugs plebians have never heard of.

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            Man it’s so rare here, but I loved 2cb & 2ci when they were available.

            Dosages could be funny outside of volumetric dosing, which is hard in outside of home environments is probably its biggest downside in my eyes.

            No real comedown compared to md** which is fantastic for someone with minimal impulse control like me.

            Admittedly lots of other chems I’ve loved but the 2c* hold a special place with me.

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          wait is this a thing for real? I’ve never heard of hgh but that chest looks somehow more inhuman than zuck’s face

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            That’s the theory going around. Human growth hormone is considered a “youth drug” by some and makes your organs keep growing. He didn’t always have that chest.

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        But I was told they all wake up at 4am for their 15 mile morning jog before a carefully balanced breakfast of a protein supplement and ancient grains. How could they take drugs?? The billionaire body is a sacred temple!

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    John Lilly, a neurophysiologist and psychedelic researcher who once used LSD to investigate dolphin communication, famously abused ketamine until he believed that he was contacted by an extraterrestrial entity who removed his penis.

    I see, that’s where dandadan got its plot ideas from

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      This statement from the article is a bit misleading. Lilly had this hallucination during a ketamine trip after injecting 150mg. The article makes it sound like a persistent delusion arising from daily use. Lilly abused ketamine for sure, but he didn’t lose his mind. He was a guy who seemed to have strange ideas his whole life. https://www.intuition.org/txt/lilly.htm

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        Adding to this because I feel a bit annoyed at how John C Lilly gets so badly represented sometimes. He wasn’t a nut job. He was a weird guy with a very unique personality. He had an intense passion for knowledge and scientific inquiry. He also had a massive ego. But he was a reasonably self reflective person. Read his books and watch interviews with him. He wasn’t just a hedonist who got addicted to K. He always had a very non typical experience of reality. He had hallucinations of angels as a child, partly due to a heavily religious upbringing. It’s totally understandable that he was primed for strange trips when he got into psychedelics. But he was able to function as a professional. He had multiple government funded research projects during his career, medical credentials, and owned electrical engineering patents. His characterisation as a kook is very similar to the crap that people say about Tim Leary, who had a successful academic career before being kicked out of Harvard and was actually a very rational person.

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    Once had a boss that used K several times a week. The article sounds like it was written about him.

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    Ketamine does not have this effect at all. It doesn’t even directly work on the receptors that would invoke such behavior. Half of the stuff in the article is cherry picked to suit a narrative. It doesn’t even include the effect of thinking one can rule the world outside of the clickbait title. And LMAO at pointing out the ketamine delusions of a nutjob who previously tried to use LSD to communicate with dolphins, that was a new one.

    (Source: I have been a ketamine user for 15 years with no problems, and I hosted government approved drug education for a while)

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      Dude seriously… Fuck Elon Musk for singlehandedly ruining the reputation of a great chemical (for medical and responsible recreational use).

      No, ketamine does not make people feel like they can rule the world? The fuck? They’re more likely to zone out on the couch for a couple of hours because they have literally dissociated, and they’re not thinking about anything, let alone world domination.

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      Lilly wasn’t a nut job. His dolphin experiments ultimately failed, but it takes courage to try radical scientific experiments. Consider the common attitude towards science in academia these days where so many people fudge their results because they’re afraid of being considered failures. Failure is a part of science because you can learn from it. One of the cool things about Lilly’s experiments is that he didn’t feel the need to commercialise his experiments. They were mostly based on pure scientific inquiry.

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        I’m just pointing out what most people should take away from the reference to that guy. They are pointing out that ketamine can make you delusional but then use the worst example out there; somebody who already could be considered delusional. That’s cherry picking.

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          I get that. I just felt the need to defend lilly a bit because I’ve been reading his books since I was a teenager. It’s like when you read something inaccurate about a topic you know. Just wanting to correct the record somewhat.

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      Glad I’m not the only one who feels this way, I go through a healthy amount of ketamine recreationally and I feel like it has almost the opposite effect. I feel very small, almost insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but in a really healthy and positive way. Like I’m no more important than anyone else

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      I’m on 80mg troches currently for symptom management. What dosage do you use?

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        My usage? Recreational. Although I fully understand that it can be used against depression. There’s something beautiful and soothing in the simplicity of life after a ketamine night.

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          MXE was my all time favorite for the year or so that it was available before China cracked down on all of the labs. And for some reason it’s never come back.

          But it was like ketamine’s slightly more euphoric and psychedelic little brother.

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          I’m intrigued, but mainly for depression. But unless I get much worse I think I should probably stick to the drugs I already know.

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            I’m not sure I can suggest that. Its effects are mostly the same among people but I don’t think everybody would benefit from it. There’s also the constant oppression from governments and outside people that might make your state of mind even worse.

            Maybe try it out, but don’t go thinking it’s a miracle drug that’ll heal you without you also doing some work.

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              Maybe try it out, but don’t go thinking it’s a miracle drug that’ll heal you without you also doing some work.

              I have enough drug experience, both prescribed and recreational, that I know better than to think that. But at the same time I understand that subtle things can add up.

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                The main thing I notice is that it only helps mentally if I go out and do stuff.

                Sitting at home and doing it by myself doesn’t really help.