Today i was doing the daily ritual of looking at distrowatch. Todays reveiw section was about a termal called warp, it has built in AI for recomendations and correction for commands (like zhs and nushell). You can also as a chatbot for help. I think its a neat conscept however the security is what makes me a bit skittish. They say the dont collect data and you can check it aswell as opt out. But the idea of a terminal being read by an Ai makes me hesitant aswell as a account needed to use warp. What do you guys think?
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If I have to use a cloud service or create an account to use the terminal, it’s a no for me dawg.
Did warp ever follow through with allowing folks to use it without signing into your GitHub account?
Hell no! I absolutely do not want AI in anything if it’s not running entirely locally.
Warp lost me at the account requirement. You’re telling me I need to sign in to a terminal? Seriously? Like with an internet connection? Nope. What if I’m opening my terminal to configure my network? Warp seems to be fixing a problem that doesn’t exist. I don’t think anyone has looked at a terminal emulator and gone “Yeah, this could use AI and a cloud account”.
I would definitely like an AI to remember some complex commands for me. But something small and specifically trained that runs locally
I use
fuck, it’s not ai but gets the job done.You can define a bunch of aliases in any shell environment for that. Or use a history manager (a database client essentially) that groups commands you’ve entered so far based on frequency, return value, working dir. when they were issued etc.
fzf does the job
Yeah; & by the way, warp is funding fzf, as there’s a big thank you banner on fzf & fzf-vim’s github pages nowadays. I’m glad fzf is getting support, of course; though it feels odd somehow.
“Alright, now that I’m logged in to my cloud terminal account, let me enter my root password for sudo.”
You are not in the sudoers file. This incident has been reported and your account suspended.
I agree with this 100%!
Not just that, they want an email just to get a download link. Call me when someone forks it with local AI.
Wait. An email just to get a download link AND a cloud account. Fuck that.
It might be helpful, I’m not going to rule out using it, but it’s all going to happen on my machine and I’m not paying for it or logging in anywhere to use it AND it’s going to talk cockney… “Oi oi, ya fuckin’ muppet, you missed a semi-colon. Ya useless fuckin’ nonce!”
Sounds like a major security risk. All it takes is one “hallucination” (and an overly trusting engineer) from the latest and greatest bullshit generator to compromise an entire network
Yeah. Sometimes a “barrier to entry” on running commands serves as an important forced pause to help prevent people from charging headfirst into dangerous options they don’t understand.
It’s something I often have to consider at work. It’s not too hard to script out ways to make it easier to do certain things, but is the trade off of making it easier to do accidentally or without understanding the full effects worse than the hassle of doing it the “hard way”?
Yes, let’s get a list of all machines in this network segment, then loop through sending shutdown commands so everything is ready for the hardware move!
What do you mean that the switch itself is in the list of machines? And that I just shut it off prematurely, so now we need to shut down everything locally… shit.
(Details fudged to protect the guilty)
Maybe if you can use it with a locally running LLM server like ollama, but otherwise fuck no
To help make skittish people feel at ease with the concept, why not give it a friendly on-screen avatar? Perhaps something like a cute little animated paperclip.
I prefer a glowing red dot
You are onto something here…
I dunno. Maybe an orange dog? Give it big brown ears.
Purple monkey or bust
Also animate it at ~10fps, making it visibly sad when it can’t retrieve the files you ask for.
Throw in a little whimsical wizard while you’re at it.
Don’t need it, don’t want it. They can fuck off with this nonsense.
Absolutely not. And they can fuck right off with that whole needing an account to use a terminal thing.
Just use Ollama.
There are lots of fish shell extensions, zsh stuff and loads of things that make suggestions, autocomplete, remember your shell history and remember frequently executed commands and visited directories. All of that works WAY better than the AI suff. (And sometimes also has nice pop-up menus.)
So compared to plain bash without autocomplete and Ctrl+R it may be useful. It is probably a step back for everyone else. Especially if they roughly know what they’re doing.
But I didn’t try this specific software. Maybe I would if it were free software and connected to a local LLM.
So compared to plain bash without autocomplete and Ctrl+R it may be useful. It is probably a step back for everyone else.
I think it could be much worse than even a plain shell with ^R, as the llm will be slower than the normal history search and probably has less context than the $HISTFILE.
I think so, too. I mean the traditional history search and command option suggestions are instant and come at no additional cost. I don’t know how fast ChatGPT is, I only ever play around with local LLMs. And roughly exploring what Github Copilot is about, just made my laptop fans spin on max and started to drain the battery really fast. Would be the same for an ‘AI’ terminal. And when asking the LLMs for shell commands I got mixed results. It can do easy stuff. So I guess for someone who wonders how to find the IP address… It’ll do the trick. But all the things I tried asking some chatbots that would have been really useful to me, failed. It hallucinated parameters or did something else. And I needed to google it anyways or open the man page.
I’m not sure, I currently don’t see me using such tools. I like talking to chatbots and have them draft stuff and provide me with ideas. But I also like computers in the other way, that they are machines that just follow my orders and don’t talk back. And when working in the terminal or coding, it seems to distract me if suggestions pop up and I need to read them and decide what to do, or occasionally laugh… For me it seems to work better if I think about something, have an idea in my head and type it down without discussing it with the machine… I mean not 100% of the time, sometimes a suggestion helps… But I think I rather have the chatbot in a separate window and only loosely tied into my workflow if at all. And I don’t like proprietary and cloud-based products for something like this.
It hallucinated parameters
Sound like LLMs to me. This is not going to stop being a problem. This is the fundamental problem with LLMs - they are text prediction algorithms and have no comprehension of their output.
simply use thefuck
I think AI exposes how little trust people have in Capitalist organizations.
So I took some time to look around and as far as my perspective as a non dev regular user. While this does seem like a useful tool that could be useful for someone who interacts with the command line on a infrequent basis, the drawbacks on it seem pretty big.
- Everywhere on their website seems clear that they don’t store your data, but I have trouble believing that? Why on earth they would need for you to create a account that you must log in to use the terminal if they don’t have a need to monitor your data?
- While they claim that they are intending to monetize this by charging enterprise users and letting small teams use it for free, they limit free requests to 20 per dday which seems less than useless.
- Maybe this is just some confusion since I don’t have any experience as an enterprise but it seems like it would be an unacceptable security risk having a program that it telling you that it sends telemetry back home that users are interacting with using sudo and elevated privileges. Especially when it is a closed box.
Ignoring all the reasons to be cautious and skeptical about AI in general I struggle to see the use case for this particular tool.
Local AI.
To complete complex commands.
Make ne feel like taking to a Star Trek ship computer.
