• TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    We can, there’s just less demand for them. Sony was among the last holdouts for small phones with their compact series, but they stopped because they were their worst selling models.

    Even Apple stopped selling their small SE model (that was basically iPhone 5 sized) despite it being the cheapest iPhone to get your hands on, because it sold terribly.

    Small phones is something the tech community says it cares about, but the market has proven that the average person doesn’t care. Same as the headphone jack and microSD slot.

    I don’t like it either, but phone companies aren’t deliberately leaving money on the table. If they thought small phones would sell gangbusters, they’d bring them back.

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    People don’t buy them for the price they’ll buy bigger phones. That’s it. That’s the whole story.

    They have to make the phone cost $300 less to sell in meaningful numbers. Why do that when they could just not make them at all and sell fewer models at higher prices?

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      exactly, profit margin. people aren’t upgrading every year like they used to, so they have to make up (some of) that lost profit by increasing prices.

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    Smaller phones do have a place though. I’ve got a 7-year old son with Type 1 diabetes. We wears a Glucose Monitor that requires a Bluetooth connection to get a reading. He needs to carry a mobile phone for this reason, and because of his size, and the fact that he needs to carry it basically all the time, a smaller phone is best. He does not need a camera, or to browse social media.

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    4 months ago

    I’m just waiting for smart watches to get bigger and bigger and eventually lose the strap.

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    Well, I can’t speak for everyone else, but I can’t go back because they don’t sell any small phones.

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      I upgraded to a Sony Xperia XZ2 compact last year. It has a 5" screen and decent capabilities, the only down side is it doesn’t support 5G. For a phone that’s over 5 years old, it’s probably the most recent usable phone available which actually fits in my pocket.

      Seriously, don’t show me a damn tablet computer and try to sell it to me as a mobile phone. If you can’t make a compact phone then you’re not really advancing the technology, are you?

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        If I can’t use it one-handed (using ALL physical buttons and ALL parts of the screen), then it’s not a phone.

        Seriously, this is how we used to define the difference between phones and tables - one-hand or two-hand use.

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          Right? I mean I’m still lamenting the loss of slider keyboards, typing on a screen is so damn unreliable that I was forced to turn on the auto-correction, which itself is highly unreliable and constantly changing real words while failing to fix the words where I hit a number instead of a letter (the word “9f” gets typed a LOT!). I use my phone for phone calls and sending texts, with a secondary usage as a GPS in my truck. If it can’t perform one of three basic tasks then what good is it?

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      They do, but service providers don’t like selling them. There isn’t as much of a return on smaller/ dumb/ cheap phones. I used to work at spectrum, and we’d speak of the cheap phones in hushed tones like they were the boogeyman. It felt horrible because I was using my cheap android while selling people iPhone 15s.

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        So once again instead of providing choice the market is simply phasing out things with smaller profit margins as if they planned it together in some kind of cartel.

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          Demand also isn’t there. The iPhone SE sold ok, but the other thing to keep in mind was that it was the cheap iPhone too so it’s supposed to sell.

          If it was outselling the main model every year then they’d keep making them small. But they didn’t so they got dropped.

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            If it was outselling the main model every year then they’d keep making them small.

            Why would they do that if they make more money on the main model? It’s not like you have a choice in iOS manufacturers.

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          Not really, even the cheap phones have large screens now. There’s no correlation anymore between price and screen size, the cheap phones just have lower quality panels.

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      I’m clinging to my SE. It’s the last small phone made by anyone other than Chinese no-names. I will be sad when it’s no longer viable as an option.

      • nylo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        my Chinese tiny phone has a name, it’s the Unihertz Jelly Star. they even have a subreddit, not sure what makes you think it’s a “no name” they make a lot of phones for niches in today’s world including one with a physical qwerty keyboard.

        now the fact that they’re the only company filling those niches sucks, but it’s better than nobody doing it.

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            not sure. stacking niches means there’s a good chance the answer is no though.

            if it’s just a matter of specs it should be up to it, the hardware is pretty beefy for a phone, but I figure there’s more to it than that.

            personally I don’t have the spoons to pour in the effort required to degoogle. the fact that the algs and few ads I see are completely irrelevant to me suggest that I have thoroughly confused them by how non-standard my internet usage is. I’m not overly concerned about the data they do get or what they do with it.

            there are enough Man-Made Horrors Beyond My Comprehension™️ keeping me up at night but you do you

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              The old jelly pro had a decent modding community, and I definitely was able to unlock the bootloader and root it, though not sure about degoogling.

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          Well, how’s it supported? This is usually what kills these phones. Even brand like Xiaomi dump their non-flagship model really soon. I have one, bought as a new model, was officially supported for like a year. Great.

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        There was the iPhone 13 Mini. It’s adorably small. But it didn’t sell well so they stopped making the Mini line.

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          I’ve got a 12 mini and bought it just because it was small. Had nothing else from the apple ecosystem (altho I did buy airpods with the phone cause it had no 3.5mm jack), and still bought it just because it was small. People like to point out and laugh at how tiny the phone is, but I don’t care cause at least I don’t have to carry around half a tablet everyday. Sad to hear they discontinued the mini line, even tho I wasn’t planning on buying apple again.

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            I’ll use my 13 mini until I literally can’t anymore. Sadly it seems like maybe Apple will release a clamshell to get back to the pocketable size but never a mini phone again. Wish the 16e used a mini chasis

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      I picked the Pixel 8 because:

      1. it runs GrapheneOS
      2. It was a little smaller than the Pixel 8 Pro

      If there was a smaller version available, I would’ve gotten that instead.

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        I can’t trust anything made by google. It’s a company that literally makes its money capturing everything everyone does on the internet…and yet the phone they make is the ONLY phone immune to having everything captured…

        Sorry. Not buying it. There will be a chip in there phoning home we’ll find out about in a decade.

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        I’ve been using the “A” branch of the Pixel line for years now.

        But I use CalyxOS so I guess you and I have to be enemies now. My name is Inigo Montoya, you use a different OS, prepare to die.

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          Ah man… I just installed graphene to try it … (turns around and runs)

          .

          Seriously though, would be nice if they could get along and share code and efforts, I’d love to try a graphene-hardened OS with sandboxed microg (instead of gsf) and datura firewall :) Maybe even have the option to have microg in one profile and google play in another. One can dream

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            Graphene and Calyx are two different paths to two different destinations. Graphene is for security, Calyx is for privacy.

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              Yep, that’s what I gather as well. I just wish we didn’t have to choose, and could get both

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        I picked the Sony Xperia 1v because:

        • 71mm width (similar to pixel 8)
        • Flagship specs (*for 2023 - Snapdragon 8 gen2 / 12gb)
        • not Google Samsung or Apple
        • Decent cameras
        • SD card expandable
        • Headphone jack 3.5mm (though I haven’t used it yet)
        • No glass back (and solid build quality allround)
        • LineageOS support (for when vendor support runs out)
        • I got a good refurb deal in 2024

        I was considering a Zenphone 10 or Xperia 5 v when i found this for £650

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          I picked the 5ii for similar reasons at the time.

          The problem is it only gets 2 years of support, so I haven’t gotten an update in years. Sony is living in 2010.

          The fingerprint reader slowly stopped working 6 months ago via a prolific software bug that is all over forums for xperias that will never be fixed.

          The battery (even ONLY charging it to 80% using battery care) is horrific and the standby time is shit. It loses 1.5-2% battery per hour not being used at all now. I get maybe 4h SOT browsing (much less with video).

          The default camera app is crap and not even worth using…

          I want to try lineageOS when I get the time to see if it fixes the battery and fingerprint reader, but here in Belgium we really need access to our bank apps because almost everything is done through there.

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    I think it’s a psychological thing.

    Like, while thinking about what kind of phone we want - a small phone sounds pretty good. But when it comes time to buy it, we start comparing phones, and we see some small ones, and some slightly bigger ones, and some really big ones. We tend to go bigger than we’d originally intended because of psychological anchoring effects.

    The slightly bigger phone is seen as a slightly better phone. “not too big” we think, as we compare it to some monsters; and the key stats such as screen resolution and battery capacity sound slightly better. So we tend to buy that bigger phone even if it isn’t what we actually thought we wanted.

    [edit] I should say that I’m saying “we” in a totally generic way. I definitely don’t do this myself. I’ve literally only ever owned smartphone in my life, and it isn’t particularly big or flashy. I have an anti-phone attitude.

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    I mean, we are the customers, we choose, personally I went with the iphone 15 pro, because the max is just ridiculous even though I am close to 2 meters tall and have big hands.

    If people bought the smaller versions when they are available I am sure phone makers would react

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    i have a 6a and i think its about the optimal size. not too small, not too big.

    by the way, my first post on here… how is this different to reddit?

  • Ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Phones are already too small. I use a fold because it’s the only way I can get a decent sized phone now!

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    I’m not gonna lie, as a 6’4" guy, I can’t stand small phones. I understand that I’m an outlier though, and wish there were more options to cater to more people.

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    people spend more time on their phones than ever before. its substituted sitting in front of a tv, so i guess people want bigger screens the same way they want bigger tvs.

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    people spend a third of their lives on those things. And while cumbersome, a big screen simply is better for media consumption

    only way I see smaller phones make a comeback is if we change our habits or if a new technology comes along

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      A bigger screen is between for text consumption, too. Perhaps especially for that. If you don’t know why, just wait ;D

      Seriously as a person getting on in years I always bump up the font size. And if you do. This on a mini phone, you run out of usable space immediately.

      I wish there were small phone options, too, but I can see why big is the default.

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      new technology comes along

      I believe the RAZR foldables allow you to do almost anything on the front screen, and in the latest iterations the front screen is larger than Samsung’s.