• SGG@lemmy.world
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    Zelensky was(is?) a comedian.

    Sit him next to Trump and Vance (who are jokes), of course this was going to happen.

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    Take note: All Zelenskyy was asking for was what kind of guarantees the United States could provide in exchange for the mineral deal. Trump and Vance either could not or would not answer the question and made buffoons out of themselves.

    Ukraine should not sign. USA under Trump will betray them at the first chance he gets. Getting support from mainland Europe would be more likely to see lasting peace, especially when Russia has been on the back foot for months now.

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    Why does Treason Trump hate the Free World? Why does he hate freedom and democracy? We does Trump hate America and American values?

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      Because you have to be willing to not control everything. He wants to run the world like one of his businesses. You are just a cog to serve him and enrich him, failing to follow his orders is insubordination. You have no value beyond how you can be of use to him. Nothing and no one has any inherent value. You are ultimately disposable.

      His fans likely subscribe to this philosophy until they are on the receiving end of it then they play the victim.

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      Values, freedom, and decency are his mortal enemies. He’s a parvenue with a god complex.

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    This hurt me to watch and it hurts me to see people supporting Trump’s actions.

    Suppose for whatever reason that you do disagree with providing more aid. Was humiliating the leader of another nation in this manner justified at all? Were these the actions that any reasonable, dignified leader would make? You could have just refused to meet with him and told him no. Instead they dehumanized him, made him grovel and beg for support from their king full well knowing he was just going to say no anyways.

    I keep trying to look for some good in the people of this nation, to see that there’s still some humanity left, but I don’t think there is at this point.

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    I’m so sorry, I’m so embarrassed and not for my country, I don’t even live there. I’m sorry for humanity

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    I couldn’t watch it all. I felt embarrassed. What the fuck does Russian interference in a U.S. election have to do with Russia trying to take over Ukraine?

    Clearly Trump believes he has some friendship with Putin that would influence this whole conflict.

  • charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works
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    I’m just one US citizen but I’d like to apologize to all Ukrainians on behalf of 50% or so of all people here. Our leadership is disgusting.

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      75%. Just under 25% voted for him, a little less then that did not, and 50% of the US effectively voted for the winner.

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      EU citizen and i’d like to say your apologies are empty and hollow to us. Do something. This isn’t a joke, this isn’t hyperbole or a leftist talking point, you’re under constitutional crisis. Do something.

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        EU citizen and i’d like to say your apologies are empty and hollow to us. Do something. This isn’t a joke, this isn’t hyperbole or a leftist talking point, you’re under constitutional crisis. Do something.

        Sorry to tell you this but at the moment Europe’s nuclear arsenal is the only thing standing between humanity and disaster.

      • nomy@lemmy.zip
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        This seems like a good place to post this:

        Our current situation really is the culmination of almost 70 years of rightwing efforts. It’s a long listen but worth checking out How Conservatism Won by Robert Evans. He lays out in a clear concise way “how a consortium of rich failsons got together to fund a network of right wing think tanks and shift American culture in a fun new direction. (note: it was not actually fun at all).” They’ve been very successful and those think tanks are now pipelines used to funnel ideological purists into powerful positions like our current Supreme Court.

        It’s worth remembering that one of the primary ghouls/traitors responsible for the attempted overthrow of our government on J6 was Roger Stone, the same traitorous ratfucker who began his career working for Nixon and has a fucking Nixon tattoo on his back. It’s really impossible to overstate just how fuckin’ bad these people are and they’re winning.

        I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety.

        The coup was successful, they’re in power and if they don’t want to give it up they won’t.

        Get to know people in your community. Take an interest in growing food, learn how to fix things. Establish secondary lines of communication and start preparing.

        https://www.dsausa.org/

        https://mutualaiddisasterrelief.org/

        https://socialistra.org/

        https://generalstrikeus.com/

        https://afsc.org/news/how-create-mutual-aid-network

        https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/raids/

        https://mutualaidhub.org/

      • nomy@lemmy.zip
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        They weren’t talking to you champ. You wanna strap up and shoot your shot? I’ll buy your plane ticket.

          • nomy@lemmy.zip
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            3 days ago

            What exactly are you proposing that you think has any chance of success?

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                Fair enough, we’re working on it.

                The actual left in the U.S. was gutted before most of us were born but we’re definitely trying. Not anyone in any position of power, they’re all just sitting on their hands; but lots of marginalized people are starting to talk and establish communications. Things are probably going to get bad over the next 5-10 years, preparing and planning is all we can do right now.

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            Good luck, seriously.

            Those of us that can help, will; we’re mostly worried about trying to organize our local communities at this point but you’ll find plenty of friendly faces I’m sure.

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    Trump: you have not shown gratitude for our help.

    Zelenaky: I have thanked the US many times for the support given.

    Trump: you haven’t shown ENOUGH gratitude. Just say thank you.

    Zelenaky: I do thank the US

    Trump: You didn’t say it while kissing the ring.

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    Zekenskyy did the best he could; he came in humility and he really didn’t have any cards at that table. He had no cards because he didn’t come to play, he came to capitulate to the whims of a tyrant to try and save the lives of his countrymen by signing a one-sided deal.

    That video will go down in history as one of the greatest moments of infamy in this age - if there were any justice Trump and the puppet masters behind him should be tried for the spark that lit the third world war.

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      I read what happened, and after I knew I watched the video clip.

      I’m still under shock.

      The world is turning, this is an important point in history. I was in disbelief for a long time, but we Europeans can’t trust the US anymore.

      This might be a good thing after all, we need to wean off the American teat and decouple ourselves. We need our own tech stacks, we need our own EU troops and we need our own whatever Nato once was.

      We need to jump in and cough up the money to replace the Ukraine Support the US did.

      I’m fucking afraid, the risk of
      an even bigger war just greatly increased.

      But whatever will happen we’ll never be able to trust the USA again, even if things get better there’s no guarantee the same shit happens again 4 years later.

      The only rational thing is to isolate ourselves from the sick patient.

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    President Zelensky visited the USA to sign the rare earth mineral mining deal. The US mining executives were salivating over a deal to extract minerals from Ukraine like they do from Africa. Poof, Just Dumb and Orange Nero followed their Kremlin script, added a US temper tantrum and blew the fuck out of the deal. Ukraine will sell mining rights to the EU members, with exception to shitbags from Hungary, Slovakia and perhaps Italy. The executives who supported the deal must be pissed off.

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      I’m not convinced Trump ever really wanted those minerals. He floated the idea knowing Zelensky would never say ‘yes’ to the deal as originally presented. But then, when Zelensky seemed prepared to make compromises, Trump had to find another excuse to get the US out of being involved and went with the pathetic, shameful, cowardly performance we just witnessed.

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        Those minerals would be extremely lucrative for electric car batteries and space exploitation. Yes, I spelled it correctly.

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    Trump was so backed into a corner he reflexively rambled about Hunter Biden’s laptop and Hillary Clinton. What a joke. Then doubling down on Vance’s inane rambling about not showing gratitude, channelling peak abusive parent energy.

    All because Zelensky made very reasonable points about requiring guarantees.

    Absolute amateurs.