Why does it feel that the evil sides globally are winning. Even evil people are winning. Why?

  • Temperche@discuss.tchncs.de
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    1 month ago

    Because it’s evolutionarily ingrained across life that individuals with a higher quality and quantity of offspring eventually dominate populations. And people who think more of others and less of themselves are usually not very good at that.

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      How comes that multiple times in history, societies reached a sufficient consensus (including part of the rich elite) to build democracies, write down rights and enforce their protection? And why would it not happen again?
      Maybe human societies are too complex to be reduced to evolutionary interpretations.

  • PonyOfWar@pawb.social
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    Evil is not held back by scruples or moral boundaries. Evil people will do whatever they need to to succeed. That includes manipulating people, something which today’s technology facilitates. Add to that the fact that for many people in developed countries, life is slowly getting worse instead of improving over the last few years. The frustration over that can easily be turned into hate against minorities, foreigners etc.

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    Have you ever cheated at a game, cut corners on work or purposefully did something unfair to get better from it yourself?

    Yeah it’s much easier to win without any pesky ethics or a strong moral compass.

    Good folks have been struggling uphill since the Ancient Greeks as long as there are folks trying to win with a different rule book.

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    Because they’re evil. Rather, they don’t place the same constraints on themselves that a good person places on themselves.

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    The common version of the phrase…

    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,”

    The actual version of the phrase…

    “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.”

  • Ekybio@lemmy.world
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    Simple material effect.

    People are shaped by the interrest of the social and material class they are part of. And the evil people are always the one in power and have the money, so they act in the interest of their class and do things that help themselves.

    Fucking Marx wrote about this quite a while ago, now his predictions just manifest more visibly, but the cultural and material forces have always been at play. Now we just reached a breaking point as a planet and population, so the underlying systems start to break too and the people on top do everything to stay in power, including ditching reality altogether.

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    I think when people feel like things are going downward (quality of life, economy, local security, international security, ecological crisis etc.), tend to regress towards a conservative reflex. They want to protect what they have, by extension, they don’t want things to change out of fear of losing what they have, or they attribute the loss of what they had to unrelated change (I lost my job because of immigration).
    I think it requires good quality education and information to go past this conservative reflex and understand that accepting some constrains (regulations, taxes) may make society better for everyone.
    It also means that manipulating education and information can prevent that and encourage people to take the natural conservative slope. I think “evil” people have found a powerful tool to do that with the mass adoption of social media that they can buy and manipulate.

    I see two big solutions, either falling so low that humanism bounces back out of terror of what happened like after WW2. Or managing to implement systems that will prevent nefarious manipulation of information and instead promote humanism.

  • gon [he]@lemm.ee
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    I saw on Mastodon someone say something kinda like this: good people don’t feel the need to dominate others.

    Evil isn’t “winning” as much as it is “on top.” If you look around, talk to your neighbours and such, you’ll see that good and reasonable people are everywhere; good is the overwhelming majority.

    That being said, positions of power are chased and coveted by those obsessed with power, and those aren’t good people. Good people need to take charge, but it’s — in a way — against their nature to do so.

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      The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

      Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, #2)

      • gon [he]@lemm.ee
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        I’ve heard this before, but I had no idea it came from the Hitchhiker’s Guide… Cool :D

    • Bilb!@lem.monster
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      I saw on Mastodon someone say something kinda like this: good people don’t feel the need to dominate others.

      I worry this is just rationalizing ones passivity as just an inherent part of ones assumed “goodness.”

    • in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      good is the overwhelming majority.

      Let the overwhelming centrist majority in 1930’s Germany tell you otherwise. People who peacefully ignore evil, even if it’s preserve their own safety, are not good at heart. People just don’t want trouble or disturbance, that’s why people are naturally kind from day to day. But ignoring the piles of bodies while saying “no politics at the dinner table” is literally how the holocaust happened - the majority failed to act.

      1930’s Germany at least had the excuse of limited information/education, all they had was radio from which only Hitler’s voice was present. 100 years later with the worlds knowledge at our fingertips, ignorance to politics is a choice. Might I say an evil one, all things considered.

      • gon [he]@lemm.ee
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        That’s not a very generous interpretation of people… Though I can’t exactly contradict you.

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          I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice […]

          -MLK Jr. in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail

        • in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          I’ve been lied to, gaslit, and blamed by my self-proclaimed “centrist” family my whole life, been called alarmist my whole life when i’ve been pointing at these very same things coming from a mile away. There are tons of others that did the same, at least alt-right MAGA freaks give you the time of day to argue. Centrists though? They’re the first to say they “dont really care much about politics” yet hold their heads high with masturbatory egotism and confidently proclaim “both sides are wrong, I disagree with extremists of any kind.” They’re betting their childrens lives and future on their own malicious ignorance, like that joke with the priest who denies life saving medication because “Don’t worry, God will take care of me,” but replace God with the Markets and you have the modern day peasant that’ll rat you out to soldiers for “heresy” and have you hung, disembowled, or burned at the stake. A person of self-interest is not a person of reason.

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            “Centrist” is often a word for unscrupulous fence-sitter… It’s a shame you’ve experienced that. I despise self-proclaimed centrists as much as the next guy.

            Do you think they are the majority, though? Maybe it’s my echo-chambers, but that doesn’t feel like it’s the case. I’m not American, mind you.

            • in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              Pretty much my entire family fit under this category, plus at least 75% of the people i’ve met in my entire life, including schoolmates and work colleagues. Of the 25% that are barely conscious, 80% of them are (somehow and unfortunately) MAGA while 20% have moved into a tiny home or cabin somewhere to grow their own food. The MAGA crowd are at least looking around going “wtf, workers need to seize the means of production” meanwhile the centrist liberals are the ones going “things would’ve been better with Hillary or Kamala.”

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                I was with you until that last statement, I haven’t met a single centrist that supported (voted for) Hillary or Kamala

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                  I haven’t met a single centrist that supported (voted for) Hillary or Kamala let alone attended a protest or demonstration.

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                MAGA, those voting for a privatizing fascist cutting taxes for the rich working with the richest people in the world to further the goals of the owner-class, are looking around going “wtf, workers need to seize the means of production?” Are you sure?

                I can’t tell if you’re joking…

                • in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  Yeah, those MAGA. The ones you typically see on youtube videos or twitter aren’t your average MAGA supporter, if you actually talk to one and ask them what they want, they start going off on things that even the most far-left Star Trek commie eutopianist could agree with, only to right at the end blame “the libtards!” or “DEI” or “immigrants” etc. They’re uneducated, they’re seeing things aren’t good and rightfully so, but they’re tricked into scapegoating before coming to the right conclusions.

                  Centrists? They say “You shouldn’t pay attention to these things.”

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    I theorize that it has a lot to do with rich people. There’s more wealth inequality than ever before, or at least (because I’m not well versed in history) if billionaires are maybe roughly equivalent to some kings of yore, that those kings couldn’t have the same widespread impact in old times because of modern mass communication. Billionaires skew overwhelmingly amoral, so this increased global reach is allowing them to shape and skew things in amoral directions, which includes propping up power hungry leaders to do their bidding. This is especially true because the communication channels are controlled by other wealthy people who benefit from the system, so they have a vested interest in seeing that the algorithms continue to support the owner class.

    Even savvy leaders like Putin can’t do it alone and alienate the oligarchs (see this CGP Grey video on “rules for rulers” as to why), but beyond that it’s easy to see why weak idiots like trump are simple enough to puppet with money and flattery.

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    Humans are not perfect, they evolved into what they are now very very slowly. Technology surpassed that and we’ve learned how to manipulate the flaws in humans to control the actions of the masses. The sad part is it isn’t even difficult, it’s very easy to convince people to act against their interests if you get them to associate the desired action with their baser instincts: sex, resources, security.

    When a flaw can be exploited, we exploit it. But exploiting it is evil.

    You can chalk it up to humans being inherently evil, but it’s just difficult to fight against our inherent flaws, against the animal instincts which drive us and especially the less educated.

  • adam_y@lemmy.world
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    Unpopular opinion, but in the west particularly, folk have mistaken writing on the internet for action.

    Tweeting resistance rather than performing it.

    A lapse into inaction framed as radical rest and self care.

    Online they are fierce warriors of justice, offline they go to work in Starbucks, use their apple devices to talk to their families and enjoy the treadmill of streaming services.

    And this isn’t to blame them. This is the point of consumerist capitalism. To trap you in a gilded cage.

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      This is why I’ve stopped reading much of the content I had been reading before. Unless an article is about what someone is doing to stop what is happening, what is the point in reading it? I don’t care so much about the bad, rather in how the rest of us are preventing it.

      For all the people complaining, I haven’t seen many talking about what steps they are taking to change the momentum. I get why I’ve may not want to announce what protests they are attending, but I haven’t noticed much new talk about mutual aid or volunteering efforts. I know the recent political climate globally is motivating me to be involved in both.

      I’m waiting to hear back in a volunteer position helping local wildlife, and once I get that schedule worked out, I’ve already started looking into local food aid opportunities as well.

      If our society is leaving gaps unfilled, as you said, it’s up to us to fill them ourselves before we all fall through.

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        I used to go to protests, from USA to Australia to NZ and UK… I’m not going to another protest until we start occupying gated communities. I’m sick of standing around looking pathetic occupying some sidewalk and politely leaving when told to by police. And to think that’s the best the so-called “leftists” can do, then I remember to back when things were bad - how the police and FBI would raid groups, murder them, drop bombs on them, and assassinate their leadership - and realize that leftism was defeated long ago. I want to keep it peaceful, and start picketing in places that matter like outside mansions and gated communities. Just stand outside the homes of billionaires to tell them we know where they live, we out number them, I think would be enough to shake things up a bit because they’re cowards too. However, in my heartest of hearts, I believe anything short of an armed overthrow of one dozen billionaires will never be enough. Fuck tinkering and pushing the needle slightly. Loud and armed leftist groups are needed now more than ever and there’s zero of them to be found.

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        Exactly I budget and limit my time online to get specific kinds of information.

        What kinds of information?

        Where and when. I will make time to be there.

        It’s time for good people to do some association too.

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      Well observed. People pour a lot of energy into political actions. The question is what that energy gets used on.

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      That would make sense except when you realize this is new media and is exactly how the right is warping minds. Elon didn’t buy Twitter because he was bored. We cannot concede social media to the right and until there is a platform that can’t be bought the people won’t ever have a voice.

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    Because it is. In many ways this is the West getting what was coming to it, but in any case you have rising evil and collaborationist “good” that’s too weak-willed or out of touch to stop it. Then you have the real good bickering among itself and too far up its ass to stop any of it.