While you’re playing with Google, maybe look up the definition of a double standard. Then maybe search for the statistics on domestic violence. I’ll give you one for free:
“72% of all murder-suicides involve an intimate partner; 94% of the victims of these murder suicides are female.“
Should there be a hotline for both cases? Yes. But your approach is obnoxious when women are more likely to be victims of domestic violence.
The resource is provided to the majority case where the woman is the victim. It tries to help a demographic that is statistically more in need.
Everyone should receive help, as also stated in the comment, but to fault the algorithm for not providing the resource to the minority case can be compared to asserting that “all lives matter” in a police brutality context. They do, but white people aren’t as often victimized so you can’t fault someone for focusing their support on the black community.
I’m for providing support for male victims of domestic abuse just as I’m for supporting white victims of police brutality but you shouldn’t get worked up over people prioritizing helping the demographic that needs it the most
You are mistaken that the discrepancy is the result of algorithmic bias. The latter image depicts a custom, hard-coded result that appears when one of preselected set of queries are searched. It was added as part of an anti-domestic violence drive. The trouble is, adding a copy of the selected queries with substituted gendered language (e.g., substituting “husband” with “wife”, “man” with “woman”, etc.) would have taken all of 10 minutes. It’s not surprising that most are unsympathetic to this excuse.
So what you’re saying is there’s a minority, with fewer people to turn to, and we shouldn’t help them because there are “more pressing issues”… Please tell me you see the irony?
Wasn’t the whole point the rid the word of that exact feeling of helplessness and isolation?
It’s treating a minority population of an issue differently. Just because a group is statistically less likely to be impacted doesn’t mean they shouldn’t receive the same resources for help.
Please explain how they’re correct. Men are the smaller group in the statistics being cited. I didn’t think that majority and minority needed to be explained. It’s not a matter of how the groups are treated. It explains the size of their population.
They are a minority in the statistics being cited here. You’re either not comprehending what the word minority means or you’re purposefully misusing it yourself.
Also just straight up a minority in general (from a US perspective), though only by a very slight margin. US population is ~51.5/48.5 in favor of women. Though on a worldwide scale men are instead a slight majority and women a slight minority.
Physically injured? Sure. But domestic abuse against men tends to be more psychological then physical, so it’s a bit of a bad comparison. And that’s not to mention how the statistics are skewed from men not reporting their problems because it goes against common societal views.
yeah, ironically one of the factor of men being more violent is society don’t showing them, or teaching them, how to cope with emotions in a health way, and the commenter is an example of men being less heard because always someone gonna dismiss the problem, i’m a fully beliver that if men were heard more, abuses toward woman could also fall
Google can’t possibly moderate every possible question. One is just an excerpt from a relevant website just like any other question, the other which is much more likely to be relevant to a domestic abuse resulting in death got special treatment. If you had a 1:1 with whoever from Google flagged this for special treatment I’m sure they’d be happy to add your suggestion, but the answer to your question is “more impactful changes tend to get higher priority”, and acknowledging that is not “toxic”, it’s just reality.
Because the point of those support programs is to prevent literal physical harm, which is massively correlated to physically stronger men screaming at physically smaller women and children. (In straight couples) If your husband is yelling at you frequently, the probability is reasonably high that there will be physical harm. It’s effectively a certainty that there’s a real threat of physical harm associated with the yelling.
(In straight couples), if your wife is yelling at you, the probability is close to zero that there will be physical harm. It is also unlikely that the yelling even constitutes any threat of physical harm.
Almost no man searching that term needs or benefits from resources on being abused by their wife. Almost every woman reading searching that term does need resources on being abused by their husband.
Well I mean it’s clear that Google thinks that women are incapable of finding help themselves and men simply don’t need the help due to their superior intelligence
Or perhaps, and hear me out, it could also be that men don’t speak up as often. Maybe they don’t die as often! Its almost like modern statistics on these topics have to consider the non reporting rate.
WHY DOES SOMEONE HAVE TO DIE FOR THEM TO BE ABUSED “BAD ENOUGH” TO DESERVE HOTLINE REPRESENTATION?
Hmm thats a good discussion point. I think more often than not, when a woman yells, it’s usually perceived as annoying or hysterical. Maybe taken with a rolling of eyes.
When a man yells, it’s typically seen as authoritative and important to listen to.
since we’re bringing up stats. overwhelming majority of homeless people, prisoners, war victims, work accidents, and suicide victims are men. i get that men are more prone to violence, however verbal abuse often goes underreported and many studies show women are much more likely to engage in verbal abuse. my point is, both genders have issues that all stem from the same underlying problems (capitalism, healthcare, education). the reason women are often portrayed as victims is because of our cultural and genetic history, mixed with a biased media that profits off of “damstrels in distress”
agreed to an extent but patriarchy benefits the 1% at the top moreso than the average man. i agree that we live in a hypermasculine culture that harms everyone
In Australia one third of DV victims are men. This is according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, from hospitalisations, murders and call outs by police. The CDC in the US found similar rates, NZ was even higher.
While you’re playing with Google, maybe look up the definition of a double standard. Then maybe search for the statistics on domestic violence. I’ll give you one for free:
“72% of all murder-suicides involve an intimate partner; 94% of the victims of these murder suicides are female.“
Should there be a hotline for both cases? Yes. But your approach is obnoxious when women are more likely to be victims of domestic violence.
Way to cherry pick the most extreme stat to disguise the fact that domestic abuse is far closer to a 50/50 split than you want to admit.
While you’re trying to be smart, maybe THINK about what you’re saying.
“Your approach is obnoxious…” Oh, I’m sorry, so we shouldn’t offer help because it doesn’t affect a majority and it’s annoying to some?
You and everyone who upvoted you is pathetic and incapable of empathy. Shame on you and everyone who agrees.
So why isn’t domestic abuse listed at all for when it’s the woman yelling?
Statistics don’t make double standards ok.
It seems like you’re attempting to say this kind of thing is ok because “only” 25% of men are victims.
Shameful.
His argument is the exact same argument people use to justify racism.
You did not just. Lmao.
Get some perspective.
It’s literally the 13/50 shit bro,
“Despite being half of the population, 94% of murder suicides are caused by men.”
That’s what you just said.
That statistic didn’t say anything about the perpetrator’s gender. Stop trying to create controversy where there is none.
Except one is “most cases are like this, so let’s help them”, and the other is “most cases are like this, so let’s hurt them”
It isn’t though? The post is advocating that everyone should receive help, while the comment is trying to justify the way it currently is.
The resource is provided to the majority case where the woman is the victim. It tries to help a demographic that is statistically more in need.
Everyone should receive help, as also stated in the comment, but to fault the algorithm for not providing the resource to the minority case can be compared to asserting that “all lives matter” in a police brutality context. They do, but white people aren’t as often victimized so you can’t fault someone for focusing their support on the black community.
I’m for providing support for male victims of domestic abuse just as I’m for supporting white victims of police brutality but you shouldn’t get worked up over people prioritizing helping the demographic that needs it the most
You are mistaken that the discrepancy is the result of algorithmic bias. The latter image depicts a custom, hard-coded result that appears when one of preselected set of queries are searched. It was added as part of an anti-domestic violence drive. The trouble is, adding a copy of the selected queries with substituted gendered language (e.g., substituting “husband” with “wife”, “man” with “woman”, etc.) would have taken all of 10 minutes. It’s not surprising that most are unsympathetic to this excuse.
It’s not a double standard, it’s a recognition that a woman is far more likely to end up physically injured than a man
If you don’t want male abuse being brought up on female abuse topics, then maybe shut the fuck up about female abuse on male abuse topics.
And where exactly have I done that?
The reply of you that I replied to, towards the guy who replied to someone doing the same thing.
It’s actively blaming the man for the woman yelling.
It’s like calling someone a dumbfuck at their funeral for dying of hypothermia in the summer.
So what you’re saying is there’s a minority, with fewer people to turn to, and we shouldn’t help them because there are “more pressing issues”… Please tell me you see the irony?
Wasn’t the whole point the rid the word of that exact feeling of helplessness and isolation?
It’s treating a minority population of an issue differently. Just because a group is statistically less likely to be impacted doesn’t mean they shouldn’t receive the same resources for help.
This person just called MEN A MINORITY POPULATION
I’M FUCKING DYING 🤣
You’re totally right of course.
This place is so hilariously extreme it makes Reddit takes look normal.
Please explain how they’re correct. Men are the smaller group in the statistics being cited. I didn’t think that majority and minority needed to be explained. It’s not a matter of how the groups are treated. It explains the size of their population.
They are a minority in the statistics being cited here. You’re either not comprehending what the word minority means or you’re purposefully misusing it yourself.
Also just straight up a minority in general (from a US perspective), though only by a very slight margin. US population is ~51.5/48.5 in favor of women. Though on a worldwide scale men are instead a slight majority and women a slight minority.
No, he called men as a percentage of total domestic violence victims a minority pipulation. Your reading comprehension is… lacking.
Somebody can’t read…
Physically injured? Sure. But domestic abuse against men tends to be more psychological then physical, so it’s a bit of a bad comparison. And that’s not to mention how the statistics are skewed from men not reporting their problems because it goes against common societal views.
yeah, ironically one of the factor of men being more violent is society don’t showing them, or teaching them, how to cope with emotions in a health way, and the commenter is an example of men being less heard because always someone gonna dismiss the problem, i’m a fully beliver that if men were heard more, abuses toward woman could also fall
Yikes. Seek help, please.
What a toxic take. Because a smaller percentage of men are affected by violent abuse that means they shouldn’t be offered support for verbal abuse?
Google can’t possibly moderate every possible question. One is just an excerpt from a relevant website just like any other question, the other which is much more likely to be relevant to a domestic abuse resulting in death got special treatment. If you had a 1:1 with whoever from Google flagged this for special treatment I’m sure they’d be happy to add your suggestion, but the answer to your question is “more impactful changes tend to get higher priority”, and acknowledging that is not “toxic”, it’s just reality.
The best, most objective, level-headed, well-put and respectul comment on the post and you’re getting downvoted.
Love this place
They just said they should.
Because the point of those support programs is to prevent literal physical harm, which is massively correlated to physically stronger men screaming at physically smaller women and children. (In straight couples) If your husband is yelling at you frequently, the probability is reasonably high that there will be physical harm. It’s effectively a certainty that there’s a real threat of physical harm associated with the yelling.
(In straight couples), if your wife is yelling at you, the probability is close to zero that there will be physical harm. It is also unlikely that the yelling even constitutes any threat of physical harm.
Almost no man searching that term needs or benefits from resources on being abused by their wife. Almost every woman reading searching that term does need resources on being abused by their husband.
Leaving abusers is just as difficult in emotionally abusive relationships.
Literally nobody is arguing this. Jesus christ half the people commenting here are either insane, pushing some agenda, or incels
Well I mean it’s clear that Google thinks that women are incapable of finding help themselves and men simply don’t need the help due to their superior intelligence
Every fucking thread on Lemmy 🙄
Or perhaps, and hear me out, it could also be that men don’t speak up as often. Maybe they don’t die as often! Its almost like modern statistics on these topics have to consider the non reporting rate.
WHY DOES SOMEONE HAVE TO DIE FOR THEM TO BE ABUSED “BAD ENOUGH” TO DESERVE HOTLINE REPRESENTATION?
Your gaslighting is obnoxious.
I dont really expect a calm discussion or response but is the issue also not a language and cultural one.
Don’t we innately - through culture - perceive and connotate “being yelled at” by femme- and masc-presenting people differently?
Hmm thats a good discussion point. I think more often than not, when a woman yells, it’s usually perceived as annoying or hysterical. Maybe taken with a rolling of eyes.
When a man yells, it’s typically seen as authoritative and important to listen to.
since we’re bringing up stats. overwhelming majority of homeless people, prisoners, war victims, work accidents, and suicide victims are men. i get that men are more prone to violence, however verbal abuse often goes underreported and many studies show women are much more likely to engage in verbal abuse. my point is, both genders have issues that all stem from the same underlying problems (capitalism, healthcare, education). the reason women are often portrayed as victims is because of our cultural and genetic history, mixed with a biased media that profits off of “damstrels in distress”
How convenient of you to leave out patriarchy, which harms everyone, but benefits most men enough for them to refuse to fight against it.
agreed to an extent but patriarchy benefits the 1% at the top moreso than the average man. i agree that we live in a hypermasculine culture that harms everyone
And I suspect that in those reminding 6% a good fraction is still done by male (in homosexual couples)
So those 6% of men don’t deserve support or empathy when they die? What are you saying here?
All you have to do is actually finish reading their comment before you rush to make a reply that makes it obvious you didn’t:
They called the promotion of hotlines “obnoxious” for men, so I don’t think they’re very sympathetic at all actually.
In Australia one third of DV victims are men. This is according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, from hospitalisations, murders and call outs by police. The CDC in the US found similar rates, NZ was even higher.