Dateline, Düsseldorf! In a move that’s sure to ruffle some feathers at Tesla HQ, a German court has officially ruled that Tesla’s Autopilot system is “unsuitable for use” due to a long-standing issue: phantom braking. You know, that fun little quirk where your car slams the brakes for no reason.
Not defending Tesla, but phantom braking is an issue on a lot of new cars, even without autopilot. It’s the Advanced Emergency Braking System (AEBS) that is now required in the EU. I don’t think any manufacturer has figured out a way to make it 100% reliable yet.
Yeah, my Subaru does it once in a while, although not enough to compliment. My Tesla never has
Thousands of 130kph highway kilometers in my Polestar 2 on adaptive cruise control without a single phantom braking. You are claiming things without evidence.
You literally are defending Tesla.
No, I’m saying Tesla’s system sucks, but other manufacturers also should also get their shit together because it’s a general problem.
nah, your just making things up, no other car manufacterer has as much problems as teslas, you pointed out 2 isolated instances on your part and not part of a whole recall. you’re attributing teslas problem is the same as every other automaker, not even close.
My guy, I used work for a large manufacturer up until recently. The problem is very real and we got complaints every other day. Just because there’s no recall doesn’t mean there is no problem. The Tesla thing is obviously different because they rejected the self driving application on these grounds, which only one manufacturer even offers in Germany.
We cant even get cars to not freak the fuck out and set off alarms for an iced over sensor or a pothole, those sensors have no business having control over the brakes
I wanted to ask about this: automated braking for pedestrians is a new safety requirement for new cars in the USA, which means it must be safe enough as a mature technology. Is the Tesla self-driving doing something different? Why does the automated braking for pedestrians system not have the problem of spurious braking at speed?
“which means it must be safe enough”
What makes you think this?
Because I trust the regulating authorities to be professionals and do due diligence on their new proposed regulations. This is why we have a government.
Someone who’s more knowledgeable than me might have access to the documents behind their decision to independently verify.
depends on which regulating agency you put your trust in. Laughs in American freedom where even the cybertruck is allowed on roads.
Zero phantom braking events in 2.5 years and 27k miles of Taycan ownership. Some during very low speed tight quarters parking situations, but not once on the road or at speed.
One anecdote doesn’t mean much, but is it really as much of an issue with non-Teslas as you think?
I’ve had two pretty bad events with a Ford and a Mercedes. The Ford hit the brakes at 160 km/h on the wide open Autobahn for absolutely no reason. The Mercedes did it on a more rural road and caused the person behind me to honk their horn. I figure that one might’ve been caused by the bushes growing close to the road but it still wasn’t very pleasant.
Once my subaru hit the brakes suddenly and the only explanation was the road itself. It was a quick dip and immediate climb, so maybe it was steep enough for the road to look like an obstacle
Ford made a bad car? Are you shitting me here?!
BMW i5 driver here, no Phantom braking in 30000km Autobahn
Yeeeah… No.
Volkswagen ID.7 driver here, previously Tesla Model 3.
Haven’t had a single phantom break event with the VW.