Over 100 children at the school are susceptible to virus.
It really is the roaring twenties all over again
Though now we’re roaring out of frustration.
My wife and I call it the rawring twenties.
Those people all gave their children MMR vaccines, which is a requirement to attend school in the United States.
Unless of course they can get an exemption, and antivaxers are absolutely not afraid to shop for an exemption that fits their needs.
I applied to a desk job at a hospital in 2022 and in the initial call to interview the lady said to me “now we are required by the federal government to have all employees be fully vaccinated against COVID” and before I could even react or say anything she added “but don’t worry there’s a ton of exemptions for that! Would you like to talk about the exemptions?” To which I just said “I’m already fully vaccinated, so that won’t be necessary” and her reaction seemed to be genuine shock and surprise at that answer
We take our pets to the vet for their annual checkups (honestly, caring for them better than I do myself, at least in that respect - I’m terrible about seeing the doctor other than when something is wrong). One time, the vet (one we hadn’t seen before) noted that one of the pets was due for one of his regular shots, like the rabies vaccine. She was kind of holding her breath until we responded, “Sure, go ahead and do that.” We could see that she was concerned about what our reaction to that would be.
It has gone that far…people not even vaccinating their pets.
Measles coming back might finally cow those susceptible to antivaxxer propaganda. But it will have to be widespread. People will have to die horrifically before we beat back antivaxxers to a small percentage of the population once again.
People are too fucking stupid to just get their vaccines unless there is a stick. Carrots don’t work well enough, apparently. Over a disease once considered eliminated, too. I’m salty that people can’t do literally anything for the greater good one a year, or even once every 10 years.
Over 500k people died of COVID-19 and yet anti-vaxx still exists and they are still growing in numbers.
Measles and chicken pox has been coming back for years, they will not change their minds. Unless it happens to them of course.
1.17 million confirmed in the US alone. Over 7 million worldwide, and who knows how many untested/undocumented more.
Even if they do get it, they won’t change their stance. They’ll just find some other boogeyman to blame it on like the government poisoning the water and air or something
Measles coming back might finally cow those susceptible to antivaxxer propaganda.
Nah. I used to believe, but not anymore.
Some Joe Rogan monkey brain who is “just asking questions” will blame their followers for not doing their own research with their dead kids.
Can’t see why not.
Is it time to go get a MMR booster?
I am currently ttc and they made me get tested to see how my antibodies were for measles, mumps and rubella (and some other diseases we were vaccinated against in childhood). My rubella antibodies were pretty much non existent now. It can wear off over the decades. Was told I should get the MMR booster before becoming pregnant. So I guess maybe its not a bad idea for us adults to get our antibodies tested, or maybe go ahead and get the booster if its available in your country or area if you are in your thirties or older. Especially since a bunch of parents are no longer vaccinating their children, the herd immunity isn’t protecting those who either were unable to get vaccinated or the antibodies from infection/vaccination have worn off. My stepfather completely lost his hearing in his right ear because he got measles as a boy (before the vaccine was created). So even ignoring the horrible painful rash you get, it can also make you deaf, blind, or kill you. A lot of us have forgotten how damaging these diseases can be, we’ve been spoiled by our vaccine protection. Even if you got your MMR shots as an infant it does wear off and you will no longer be protected by herd immunity.
edit: i wrote father in law instead of stepfather
Rubella (german measles) vax is especially important if you’re trying to conceive. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of Gene Tierney, but she was an actress who was on a USO tour during WWII, and was infected with german measles by a fan who had been told to quarantine but did not and came out to meet her anyway. Ms. Tierney was pregnant at the time, and as a result her daughter was born with profound difficulties (deaf, partially blind, severely mentally disabled) from congenital rubella syndrome and ended up institutionalized from the age of 4 for the rest of her life.
So yes, if you can, definitely get your MMR booster. All three of these diseases are horrible and can have life-long side effects. Best wishes for a healthy baby to you and yours.
National Library of Medicine Fact Sheet on measles, mumps, and rubella in pregnancy and during breastfeeding: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK582537/
I never heard of Gene Tierney, I’ll look at your links. I can’t imagine what it was like for them to know that an ignorant fan caused their child to have such difficulties for the rest of their life. I got MMR booster a couple months ago and my husband is currently getting bloodwork done to see what his titre levels are too. There’s been a concerning uptick of cases where we live and the MMR booster is in shorter supply now so our doctor doesn’t want to give them out unnecessarily if he doesn’t need them.
Thank you very much for your well wishes, it was nice reading a kind comment (even if I am 2 months late).
It’s all good, glad I could help. Thank you for taking the time to tell me! It’s never too late for a kindness.
Yes just get your titers tested, that will let you know. It’s a simple test.
The CDC doesn’t recommend it in most cases but you can get one. I’m glad you asked because I didn’t realize MMR boosters were even available for adults. My mom has cancer and is on chemo so I think I should get this. If you don’t fit any of the cases that the adult booster is recommended for I suppose you could just say you don’t remember getting it as a child or that you have a close relative with cancer and see if they sticks. But, I mean, I’m not sure if you actually need to justify it. Maybe you can just walk in and get it.
Seriously, I’d like to know too. I’ve always thought that you got them and then you were done. But maybe that was counting on there not being a bunch of disease vectors walking around.
Sad the children have to suffer for their idiot parents.
It’s worse than that. Vaccines are not 100% effective and some people have legitimate reasons why they can’t get a vaccine…and those kids are getting fucked by other parents’ poor decisions.
Non medical exemptions need to go.
Vaccines are not 100% effective
Ah ha, so vaccines aren’t effective! /s
And since wiping your butt does not get you 100% clean, I just shit my pants now. I am a very smart boy.
If this continues for a couple of generations we will have weeded out the idiots, fucking bullshit it comes at the cost of innocent children.
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I doubt it, they breed too fast.
No matter your side, that’s not a cool way to talk about people.
Measles existed for thousands of years before vaccines, but we still have idiots…
Tbf, it wasn’t as self-selecting before the vaccine
Ironically, this is also the pro-life crowd, too. Weird how they don’t care about the lives of children.
Just before birth. After birth, it’s all bootstraps.
After birth in bootstraps would make a horrific AI generative art prompt
Failing to vaccinate a kid (unless there are legit medical reasons) should be a chargeable offence in the same way that letting them sit in the backseat of a car without a booster / seatbelt is. These parents, as stupid and credulous as they are, have endangered their kids and some of them might suffer life altering injuries or death from that.
This is Florida, best you’ll get is each kid getting a gun to defend from measles.
“Here you go Timmy. Just shoot any child that gets close to you. We are scared enough of measles to give you a gun, but not scared enough to have you vaccinated.”
They endanger more than just their own kids.
Manatee Bay in Weston Florida. I saved you a click.
It’s a very affluent neighborhood in a very affluent city. Homes start at $1 Million in the entire city. Feel bad for the kids.
Great. They just had a huge soccer tournament there this past weekend, with kids (and parents) travelling from all of Florida and out of State. This is going to be 👍
If your child is vaccinated then they are 97% protected.
You’re probably still more statistically likely to get bit by an alligator, or stabbed by a homeless man.
You’re probably still more statistically likely to get bit by an alligator, or stabbed by a homeless man
I mean, we are talking about Florida, so I still don’t like them odds
Thats not how statistic work.
At 97%, a thousand children in attendance were exposed that would translate to 30 vaccinated children being infected.
If 30 children at the tournament were stabbed by the homeless, it would be international news and be labeled a massacre.
insert: neslons “ha ha”
Yeah, but it’s a hundred kids suffering, not the idiot parents.
At the very least when (if) those kids grow up they should realise what fucking morons their parents are for gambling with their lives and the anti Vax notions don’t get passed down
Nope, they will have survivor bias. “I didn’t need the vaccine and I made it” type of argument.
Not to mention immunocompromised people who can’t get vaccinated
And with some small but non-zero chance dying several years later from SSPE.
It has been estimated that about 2 in 10,000 people who get measles will eventually develop SSPE
Depending in your view, thats not a really low chance. Since we’re talking of a chance to die - I’d say it’s high.
However, a 2016 study estimated that the rate for unvaccinated infants under 15 months was as high as 1 in 609.
Oops - kids at school are older, but these numbers are way higher… Let’s just run both and see what happens. I don’t have enough data, to do some “real math” but someone mentioned about 100 students being at risk of getting infected as they’re unvaccinated. Lets just assume all of them get infected.
First: 2 in 10000 will develop SSPE, that means 9998 in 10000 won’t. For 100 students:
(9998/10000)^100 = 0.98so, a 98% chance, that no-one is affected and tha lt means a 2% chance, that at least one is affected by SSPE.Second number: 1 in 609 means, that 608 in 609 won’t. For 100 students:
(608/609)^100 = 0.85so that’s an 85% chance that nothing happens and a whopping 15% chance that at least one student develops SSPE.I know this math I likely not near reality, but damn.
Not sure why you’re multiplying things by 100 while saying you’re taking them to the 100th power, but that’s now how percentages work.
They’ll say the WEF is making the kids ill with 5G rays and gay frog hormones.
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The devil is in the details though. Covid vaccines are not a good example of this as they mostly reduce the risk of dying from Covid. You can still get sick and distribute the virus, it is just a ton milder and much less dangerous (which is still useful and you should get vaccinated obviously, just saying before anyone thinks I am anti vaccine). The measles vaccine however prevents people from getting sick at all, unless I am mistaken.
Sadly, ou are mistaken. The 89% of vaccinated kids are at risk of measles as it is circulating in that community.
Well, that sucks then.
No. The measles vaccine is around 97% effective at preventing the disease. Yes, some who got the vaccine are still at risk, but the vast majority of them have effective protection.
So 89% of children have a 3% risk of catching measles if exposed, that’s 30 children given the article numbers, out of 1100 total children.
I believe this is called a risk, given you can’t know which children the vaccine won’t work.
Pretty shitty version of Russian Roulette, and yet both involve getting shot.
Measles also correlates highly with a loss of immune system strength, meaning being unvaccinated and catching it technically gives people AIDs as well.
Is it 97% on the basis that herd immunization makes your exposure unlikely, so that you’d at best be exposed to a single person that could contract it to you?
Or is it 97% on the basis that you are submerged in an atmosphere full of people sick from measles?
WHO information on these numbers
So either it refers to a clinical trial with a defined exposure, or it referes to empircal data that is based on the conditions in the real world, which critically includes the herd immunity.
Herd immunity is a critical factor and it works exponentially. E.g. from 100% to 95% is less of an issue than from 95% to 90% The critical point for measles is at around 92% to prevent exponential infections. This included the risk for people who are vaccinated
Measles are among the most contagious diseases. To interpret the graph. Because of the high R rate w.o. immunization, you need 92% immunization rates to have one measle case cause another measle case, e.g. reproduction = 1. You go below and it goes exponential.
If nursing a patient with measles, there is a reason why gloves and hand hygine is still required. Medically, we consider the 97% effective as a population average besed upon “usual exposure”. That means 3 in 100 vaccinated children are likely to contract measles this way. If your. local exposure is higher, then there are higher infection rates in that peer group. If you sit next to me for 5 mins you have one risk of exposure. If we are kids in a classroom together for several hours, then the transmission risk is higher. So yes, just like COVID, the higher the proportion of infective people and the longer the contact time the greater the risk of infection and also transmission.
You aren’t mistaken.
Afaiu it also saves them from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subacute_sclerosing_panencephalitis, which is a delayed death sentence.Exactly. Long measles is like slow rabies
I hate that people in charge were never able to properly communicate this subtle difference.
Some vaccines give you immunity, others resistance.
Some people thought the vaccine for covid was supposed to give immunity and when it didn’t they thought they were lied to and started to distrust vaccines 😕
I hate that people in charge were never able to properly communicate this subtle difference.
It was communicated just fine. I got that info. You got that info. It was out there. But the signal to noise ratio was unreal. People seem to prefer soundbites and false dichotomies over accurate, nuanced information. Sprinkle in a metric shitton of wedge issue misinformation delivered via sledgehammer and you get what we got:
VACCINE BAD!
VACCINE GOOD!
GRANDPA HAVE VACCINE BUT STILL DIE!
VACCINE STILL GOOD!
I HAVE VACCINE BUT STILL GET SICK AND BOSS MAKE ME STAY HOME AND NO GET MONEY! VACCINE BAD!
VACCINE… BAD?
DOCTOR LIED! SCIENCE BAD!
Well actually…
YOU STUPID, VACCINE BAD!
VACCINE BAD!
COVID OVER, NO NEED VACCINE!
HOORAY!
That’s a silly argument to make.
Each disease is different, some you can be immune from and some you lower the chance of getting. Some lower the impact.
Clearly, you haven’t learnt shit.
How does a greater immunity make you not susceptible? It decreases your susceptibility, but doesn’t eliminate it
Friend, I don’t think you’ve ever known shit
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Any parent of a kid that is unvaccinated should be charged with abuse and child endangerment IMO.
At first I though this was a bit draconian; that is, solving what is largely an education/misinformation issue and diminishing civil liberties all the while opening the door to abuse from a more nefarious government — on the other hand, it would force the topic of vaccinations into a court of law where anti-vaxx fallacies would fall completely flat.
Personally I’d much rather bring up charges against the primary sources of such misinformation; then that might cause them to think twice about spreading lies in the future.
But America is open for business when it comes to grift. From Alex Jones and Joe Rogan to Steve Bannon — they understand that the gullible are profitable.
The problem is with primary souce is that for all intents and purposes there isnt one anymore. Sure back in the 90s there were but its a lot like creationism, a rat king of lies and stupid shit. Self perpetrating bullshit has to be dealt with via other means.
Wow, who could’ve ever precicted not vaccinating your kids because you saw your neighborhood drunk stay at home mom who believes in healing crystals “explain” why scientists are wrong was a dumb decision that would lead to this ?
This is so sad it turned comical. Those suffering are not the ones to blame, but it seems there’s no other way than have people start dying for “belief” in science to return.
