It’s a curious thing. I’m not dismissing any of their claims, but I find it a bit interesting that they can so easily uncover everything that the government doesn’t want you to know when it’s hidden for a reason.

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    In the example of 9/11, there were MOUNTAINS of video footage, news articles, and documents stored in a large array of community archives that started as community efforts to find Osama Bin Laden and as it dawned on all of us, slowly morphed into trying to put together a solid fully documented and supported narrative of what actually occurred on that day.

    Community leaders disappeared under mysterious circumstances and then all of those digital archives disappeared.

    People who were in those communities and helped to compile those archives saw it with their own 2 eyes and remember what was discovered.

    People who were not in those communities don’t believe they ever existed.

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    I would imagine that to hide the truth that leaked they would feed nonsense on purpose so they can either find a leak and/or fill the world with so much false data that the truth is harder to find. I’m sure there is some truth in the middle of all this.

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    Because “I’m the smart one that can see through the lies” - conspiracy theorists almost always have delusions of grandeur.

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    Leaks?

    Or NSA beaming info into your brain as you are a subject of a top secret test and can now directly commune with aliens

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      turns out all those 5G vaccine chips were good for something after all.

      thanks bill gates!

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      I do know a lot of guys who knows guys.

      Most of them are useless though. (especially the Feebs.)

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    Occam’s razor answer: They’re crackpots with crackpot friends. One crackpot makes the stuff up, the others eat it up.

    Did I mention they’re crackpots? Because they’re crackpots.

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        This is the important difference between conspiracies and conspiracy theories. Once there’s actual evidence, it’s no longer a conspiracy theory.

        For example, the fact MK Ultra was real does not prove the fact we are ruled by lizards.

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        For every real one that is eventually discovered, there’s 10,000 flying around in real time that are total bunk.

        Whether the 10,000 bunk ones are deliberately put out as decoys to hide the 1 real one, I will leave that up to the reader.

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          All I’m saying is the first attempt on MLK’s life came from a schizophrenic black woman during the height of MKUltra’s operations while she babbled about things the CIA hates and their favorite test subjects were disenfranchised schizophrenics.

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      Lazerpig called it a Woozle Hunt, after the Winnie the Pooh story. Pooh and Piglet think they’re hunting a woozle, but in reality they’re just following their own tracks around and around.

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      It can be worse than that sometimes. The crackpots see some nuggets of truth, and for whatever reason, they make some leap in interpreting them that leads them to nonsense. They keep finding things that are either true, and add them to their worldview, or made by people who took compatible leaps of logic away from reality. They propagate it to others.

      Taking Kennedy’s assassination as a classic example: it’s true that a lot of people wanted him dead, some benefited from his death, the CIA has a history of assassinations, and Lee Harvey Oswald was a communist who had once lived in Minsk. I can see why someone with just enough information to feel confident can arrive at a belief that the CIA or USSR killed Kennedy, while missing critical information to realize there’s no reason to believe either is true.

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        There’s an episode of Voyager where Seven of Nine goes down conspiracy rabbit holes that’s a lot like that.

        Basically, the first one turns out to be correct (although very minor), but it fuels more and more absurd theories. Essentially she goes into a feedback loop, over- and mis-analyzing everything until she’s convinced that every encounter she’s had with anyone has been part of a conspiracy against her.

        So maybe “crackpot” was a bit harsh, at least in some cases.

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          Yeah that sounds like a realistic, if a bit hyperbolic, portrayal of at least some people’s experiences.

          I haven’t personally been in any conspiracy theory rabbit holes, but I’ve seen a few people slide into them. There are some people who are so far out there they generate much of the nonsense, but I think there are a lot more victims than crackpots. And I think most of them have a nugget of truth or legitimate grievance in there somewhere.

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    depends on the conspiracy theory.

    real conspiracies; like MK-Ultra, we find out through leaks, declassification and similar sources.

    The loony-bin conspiracy theories like “moon landing hoax” (any one with a ham radio could track the apollo CSM as it went to the moon, there’s no way to hide such a trip. there’s really no way to fake those signals.) are mostly sourced from bullshit.

    another great example of this is the Birds Aren’t Real conspiracy. Which… uh… started as satire. there’s plenty of ways they get started, but they all boil down to bullshit.

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        the people they were making fun of… demonstrated Poe’s Law.

        in any case… I give you this…

        it’s a drone used for wildlife conservation so as to not spook whatever they’re trying to track; too much.

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          That doesn’t seem like a conspiracy. That looks like a potential legitimate bit of tech and for that purpose. Have anything a little more convincing?

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    In Qanons case, Q gave them the info and was leaking it.

    Allegedly anyway. It’s not very hard to say you have an inside man.

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    Heavy misinterpretation of publicly available information is one.

    Another reason is more social. I find a lot of these people want to feel important or smart by “knowing” something that others don’t.

    A lot of these people will jump on the bandwagon of whatever is said by fellow conspricists they’re watching on YouTube.

    They also learn the “gotcha” questions which allow them to fall into the rabbit hole in the first place.

    Yes, Kent Hovind, a dog will only produce another dog, but that doesn’t disprove evolution!

    No, Eric Dubay, I can’t see the curvature of the Earth from an aeroplane, but that doesn’t mean the Earth is a fucking pancake!

    Another curious thing is how a disproportionate number of conspricists are religious. I can’t speak for other religions, but so many Christians will invoke the Bible into their arguments.

    Maybe it’s partly a sunk cost fallacy on their part. Spending so much of their youth believing complete fiction that it’s easier to deny reality than accept their Bible isn’t an accurate depiction of historical events.

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      Believing in conspiracy and religion requires superstitious thinking instead of thinking scientifically and skeptically.

      We’ve all seen popular entertainment.where the protagonist connects seemingly unrelated clues to uncover the conspiracy (of course they’re always proven to be right by the end of the show 🙄)

      These unrelated clues could potentially be explained by a wild conspiracy. But they can always be explained in a hundred other, simpler, more plausible ways.

      Superstitious thinking aims to seek out any data to prove a theory… while throws away any data that doesn’t.

      Scientific thinking looks for the best theory to explain all the data and throws away those that don’t fit well.

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    As a listener of Knowledge Fight, and thus Alex Jones Infowars, part of his explanation has something to do with god and the literal devil and (I swear) intergalactic contract law. Something about the globalists can only get away with their depopulation plans if they provide warning first, and thus we all accept the contract or something, so that’s why the globalists leave clues in plain site. Cause they have to, cause intergalactic contract law.

    People who meme “the frogs are gay” are truly only scratching the surface of how insane and dangerous that guy and his followers are.

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    Like you said, it’s a theory you can look at available data and draw conclusions. The term “conspiracy theory” is used to make anybody they want look less credible.

    We know that the government was aware of something that was going to happen in 9/11 but they say they didn’t have enough information. We also know that the government allowed perl harbor to happen so they could have an excuse to join the war. Did the government know what was going to happen on 9/11 and intentionally allowed it to happen? I’m sure I found dig up compelling information. We already know what happened in response to 9/11.

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    Pretty much like most other leakers of information be that film or TV shows - most don’t know anything and either keep it so vague that they can claim anything as a win (a recent leak about Moon Knight season 2 said it was in development about would have at least 6 episodes - anyone could have made that up) or go so far into the deep end that it’s impossible to come up with evidence to contradict it (like being part of an “away team” in an extraterrestrial exchange program where you spent a decade on another planet while a doppelganger filled in for you back on Earth).

    Somewhere in there may be legitimate leakers but they get drowned out by the grifters and the mentally ill. In fact, some leakers are likely to be spreading disinformation to cover up secret goings-on or to test how leaky an organisation is.

    Good luck trying to pick through that tangled mess looking for “the truth”. Although I am sure it’s out there, it’s usually well guarded.

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    Theres classified data leaks all the time. Hell, warthunder has had like 7 leaks now? Its not a small number.

    Plus, its not like MKUltra didnt happen.

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      Hell, warthunder has had like 7 leaks now?

      It’s double digits now- like 12 or 13. It’s absolutely hilarious.