It’s a curious thing. I’m not dismissing any of their claims, but I find it a bit interesting that they can so easily uncover everything that the government doesn’t want you to know when it’s hidden for a reason.
Occam’s razor answer: They’re crackpots with crackpot friends. One crackpot makes the stuff up, the others eat it up.
Did I mention they’re crackpots? Because they’re crackpots.
It can be worse than that sometimes. The crackpots see some nuggets of truth, and for whatever reason, they make some leap in interpreting them that leads them to nonsense. They keep finding things that are either true, and add them to their worldview, or made by people who took compatible leaps of logic away from reality. They propagate it to others.
Taking Kennedy’s assassination as a classic example: it’s true that a lot of people wanted him dead, some benefited from his death, the CIA has a history of assassinations, and Lee Harvey Oswald was a communist who had once lived in Minsk. I can see why someone with just enough information to feel confident can arrive at a belief that the CIA or USSR killed Kennedy, while missing critical information to realize there’s no reason to believe either is true.
There’s an episode of Voyager where Seven of Nine goes down conspiracy rabbit holes that’s a lot like that.
Basically, the first one turns out to be correct (although very minor), but it fuels more and more absurd theories. Essentially she goes into a feedback loop, over- and mis-analyzing everything until she’s convinced that every encounter she’s had with anyone has been part of a conspiracy against her.
So maybe “crackpot” was a bit harsh, at least in some cases.
Yeah that sounds like a realistic, if a bit hyperbolic, portrayal of at least some people’s experiences.
I haven’t personally been in any conspiracy theory rabbit holes, but I’ve seen a few people slide into them. There are some people who are so far out there they generate much of the nonsense, but I think there are a lot more victims than crackpots. And I think most of them have a nugget of truth or legitimate grievance in there somewhere.
Lazerpig called it a Woozle Hunt, after the Winnie the Pooh story. Pooh and Piglet think they’re hunting a woozle, but in reality they’re just following their own tracks around and around.
I’ll have to remember that. It’s much more well put than how I described it.
MK Ultra
This is the important difference between conspiracies and conspiracy theories. Once there’s actual evidence, it’s no longer a conspiracy theory.
For example, the fact MK Ultra was real does not prove the fact we are ruled by lizards.
Evidence existing is a very low bar, It’s when it’s proved beyond reasonable doubt that it stops being a theory.
“I prefer to think of it as more of a conspiracy hypothesis, really”
For every real one that is eventually discovered, there’s 10,000 flying around in real time that are total bunk.
Whether the 10,000 bunk ones are deliberately put out as decoys to hide the 1 real one, I will leave that up to the reader.
All I’m saying is the first attempt on MLK’s life came from a schizophrenic black woman during the height of MKUltra’s operations while she babbled about things the CIA hates and their favorite test subjects were disenfranchised schizophrenics.
In the example of 9/11, there were MOUNTAINS of video footage, news articles, and documents stored in a large array of community archives that started as community efforts to find Osama Bin Laden and as it dawned on all of us, slowly morphed into trying to put together a solid fully documented and supported narrative of what actually occurred on that day.
Community leaders disappeared under mysterious circumstances and then all of those digital archives disappeared.
People who were in those communities and helped to compile those archives saw it with their own 2 eyes and remember what was discovered.
People who were not in those communities don’t believe they ever existed.
As a dude with conspiracy theorist parents:
From “trusted sources”.
Basically what that means is:
Any video or article that writes about stuff that they generally already believe in. My mom and dad already believe Bill Gates is evil and there exists a shadow state, so anything that so much as mentions these things are trusted almost immediately, regardless of how stupid it sounds.
Any video or article that is essentially against anything written in any news source. You can make a good prediction about what my parents will believe in by following global events and thinking the exact opposite.
Any video or article that claims to have evidence through loosely connected statements, often no connection at all, and bonus if it features basic, publicly available financial records (follow the money).
As a listener of Knowledge Fight, and thus Alex Jones Infowars, part of his explanation has something to do with god and the literal devil and (I swear) intergalactic contract law. Something about the globalists can only get away with their depopulation plans if they provide warning first, and thus we all accept the contract or something, so that’s why the globalists leave clues in plain site. Cause they have to, cause intergalactic contract law.
People who meme “the frogs are gay” are truly only scratching the surface of how insane and dangerous that guy and his followers are.
https://piped.video/watch?v=i5uSbp0YDhc&t=0
Great watch about the gay frogs from a sensible view or at least a view more aligned with mine
Because the big bad is always all too powerful and all too weak at the same time. Turns out werewolfs are brought down by silver bullets, vampires have to sleep in a coffin and can get stabbed, demons can’t go past a ring of power, aliens invaders with bacteria. No other arrangement will work. If the enemy is all powerful they just take over. If they are all weak no one cares about them. Only the exact combination of threatening but easy to defeat allows drama to exist.
So of course the government is smart enough to pull off incredible fears of social manipulation but not smart enough to hide it from some podcaster “just asking questions”. No other arrangement will work. If the government is always dumb they can’t do a conspiracy, if they are always smart they can pull it off and no one will know. Non-working arrangements don’t get propagated and their lines die off, the working arrangements infect new hosts and spreads.
People seem to be forgetting that not all conspiracy theories or theorists are crazy.
Sometimes it turns out to be true. Just ask MKULTRA and Iran-contra.
But yeah, 99.997% of them are fake and made up by one or a few people, and get repeated ad nauseum
Those weren’t conspiracies. The government just covered them up. Truths are never conspiracy…it’s kind of the definition.
No, a conspiracy is when people get together and conspire, i.e. they develop a secret plan of action for nefarious purposes. In the strictest sense, the term “conspiracy theory” just means that you’re theorizing that some people have secretly planned to do something. If you theorize that some wrongdoers have developed or enacted a secret plan, and it later turns out your suspicion was correct, then by definition you had a true conspiracy theory.
Truths are never conspiracy…it’s kind of the definition.
No, it’s not.
conspiracy
noun
a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful
Some of them are true, but it’s impossible to know which ones until you get actual non-batshit evidence which is why it’s not reasonable to believe any of them.
But if you want to have a favorite one just for fun, I think that’s ok.
But if you want to have a favorite one just for fun, I think that’s ok.
Mine is probably the ‘NASA wanted to fake the moon landings, so they got Kubrick in to direct. But he was such a perfectionist, he insisted on filming on location’ one.
You have to do some careful research and reasoning. Arrive at your conclusions the hard way.
But then they call you crazy.
Like you said, it’s a theory you can look at available data and draw conclusions. The term “conspiracy theory” is used to make anybody they want look less credible.
We know that the government was aware of something that was going to happen in 9/11 but they say they didn’t have enough information. We also know that the government allowed perl harbor to happen so they could have an excuse to join the war. Did the government know what was going to happen on 9/11 and intentionally allowed it to happen? I’m sure I found dig up compelling information. We already know what happened in response to 9/11.
Pretty much like most other leakers of information be that film or TV shows - most don’t know anything and either keep it so vague that they can claim anything as a win (a recent leak about Moon Knight season 2 said it was in development about would have at least 6 episodes - anyone could have made that up) or go so far into the deep end that it’s impossible to come up with evidence to contradict it (like being part of an “away team” in an extraterrestrial exchange program where you spent a decade on another planet while a doppelganger filled in for you back on Earth).
Somewhere in there may be legitimate leakers but they get drowned out by the grifters and the mentally ill. In fact, some leakers are likely to be spreading disinformation to cover up secret goings-on or to test how leaky an organisation is.
Good luck trying to pick through that tangled mess looking for “the truth”. Although I am sure it’s out there, it’s usually well guarded.
Theres classified data leaks all the time. Hell, warthunder has had like 7 leaks now? Its not a small number.
Plus, its not like MKUltra didnt happen.
Hell, warthunder has had like 7 leaks now?
It’s double digits now- like 12 or 13. It’s absolutely hilarious.
There’s good money in “based on a true story”. Conspiracy theories sell books, get eyeballs on web ads, make fame, and boost political campaigns. When a person is rewarded for turning their speculations or outright lies into “nonfiction” form, they’re likely to persist in doing it.
They don’t
I’m not dismissing any of their claims,
Why not? You should.
He’s indicating he’s not looking to get in on any particular topic, not stating support or disagreement with anything
Conspiracy theories can be revealed to be true. They’re not all bullshit.
In the 90s I was in the rabbit hole about Echelon and had a healthy paranoia about my privacy.
So when Snowden dropped the leaks about mass government surveillance I wasn’t surprised at all. I assumed everyone knew. But nope - apparently Echelon was a “conspiracy theory” and so was all the Snowden stuff until - it wasn’t.
That’s my personal experience but there’s others like MKUltra.
Echelon was not so much a conspiracy theory as a sad game of telephone where increasingly disturbed people projected their increasingly distorted paranoias onto an actual thing.
Same with HAARP. Yes, it as exists. No, It does not do that. Or that. Or even that.
I was in a rxxit thread with some wahoo who INSISTED that ALL global warming was caused by HAARP deliberately to somehow benefit the U.S.
I linked a wolfram alpha calc about how much energy it would take to raise the entire atmosphere 1.2 degrees.
It was equivalent to several billion Tsar Bombs.
Posted the evidence, stated that 'HAARP physically couldn’t push that amount of energy into the atmosphere even if it was pumping out the physical max EM that the array could handle, every day, since the day it was first brought online. It wouldn’t even be 1/2,000,000th of a tsar bomb total.
Their response “Well, that’s your opinion.”
And then 2 months later rxxit banned me for saying ‘punching nazis is a moral good’ and now the thread is lost forever.
The power comes from the sun. HAARP modulates the magnetic flux from the sun like the base of a giant transistor.
At least that’s what my local conspiracy theorist told me when I raised the same point. It’s complete bunk of course, but it sounds plausible enough for anyone who is not an atmospheric scientist. Not any less plausible to the average wing nut than the whole story about carbon dioxide emission spectra in the infrared and global warming anyway. There is science words in there.
But it did give us a damn fine concert movie from Muse, and that’s indisputable.
All human thoughts are collected into a sorta zeitgeist that we all unknowingly tap into. Take for example- when you have a truely original idea, that is then uploaded to the collective human zeitgeist, which thus allows other humans to be able to tap into and have the exact same idea. Some people know how to dive deep and collect this information, and spread it out into the public sphere of knowledge.
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Gematria
I just put “bush did 9/11” and “Wendy’s 5 for 5 dollar meal is back” into a gematria calculator and they equal each other. I don’t know what this means but it’s fucking HUGE!!
One of the important aspects that I haven’t seen mentioned yet is a sense of community. I’m currently in a online censorship country so can’t link it, but the ABC in Australia had a good podcast around QAnon.
Effectively there’s people who feel a lack of community/companionship locally and seek this out online.Based on World of Tanks I think all you have to do is make a successful game and they’ll just hand it over willingly.
I think that;s WarThunder that gets all the leaks of armour and armament details.
I’ll take your word for it. I couldn’t remember the name. Just remember the leaks kept being tanks.
