Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey is trying a unique strategy to get remote workers to return downtown: insulting them.

“I don’t know if you saw this study the other day,” Frey told an audience of 1,000 at Minneapolis Downtown Council’s annual meeting on Wednesday. “What this study clearly showed … is that when people who have the ability to come downtown to an office don’t — when they stay home sitting on their couch, with their nasty cat blanket, diddling on their laptop — if they do that for a few months, you become a loser!”

The comment was a “complete joke” and the study was made-up, the Minneapolis mayor’s office told Fortune, but there are serious facts to back up Frey’s worry about the impact of remote work on Minneapolis’ downtown economy.

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        and is funded by owners of said properties (FOR SURE)

        Never forget who the real influencers of decisions are: The wealthy owners of property in this country.

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          If I paid him to say that I’d want my money back because that’s not exactly going to do achieve my goals.

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            working in office culture = more people in his city spending money day to day + more offices needed because workers are expected to be there + more property value from more property demand due to return to office culture.

            Mayors of cities have a vested interest in having full office buildings which provide more funding to the city through worker/poor tax (sales tax) instead of corporate tax hikes.

            If the ownership class stands to benefit from the status quo continuing they will 100% impose the status quo.

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              Yeah I know. My point is how is being an ass going to achieve that.

              If I’m paying him to try to get people to come back to the office how is anything that he is doing achieving that goal?

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              Sure, and you don’t accomplish that by insulting all your employees. This guy shot himself in the foot with a howitzer.

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      He seems like an OK mayor for the city tbh but shit has gone downhill under him like the George Floyd thing which Domino’d to chaos over time.

      This is probably a cascade from businesses wanting to end their lease on downtown offices, which is due to remote workers, which is why this dude is spazzing. It’s directly affecting the city income, budget, planning, etc. Just pushing it more towards chaos.

      I see the reasons, but instead of putting everything back maybe try to move forward? I’m no city planner so I have no idea what another solution would be. Cheaper business startup costs to increase local markets?

      A city is sort of like a business because there are budgets, income, expenses, etc. When you have no offices being leased, you will, as the city, lose.

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        Good god. Thank you for bringing a sane, thoughtful take on the situation.

        A city is sort of like a business because there are budgets, income, expenses, etc. When you have no offices being leased, you will, as the city, lose.

        Yes. There are real monetary issues here and memes aren’t going to change that overnight.

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          And the real monetary issues are that the free market has spoken and the businesses, instead of listening to this Free Market that they worship so much, have instead propped up a failure of a decision for no reason other than they’ve already spent a bunch of money on it.

          If MY business failed because I stuck too hard to a sunk cost fallacy, nobody would give a shit. So why is it a problem here? They should have invested better, or at the very least, seen which way the wind is blowing and adapt appropriately.

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      Well he’s not exactly a great orator is he?

      Presumably he is invested in getting people back into the office, so you would have thought that he would have tried something a little bit more likely to succeed than insulting people.

      Politicians these days are just bad at being corrupt.

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      This is the guy who showed up to a protest for the murder of George Floyd and everyone switched to chanting “Go home Jacob, go home” and “shame”. Dude just sucks.

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      This is what happens when your education is CEO-pandering articles on Forbes and Fortune shoving “the workers are the problem and work-from-home is lazy and will kill your business” agenda so they get more views

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      He probably invested too heavily in real estate. Now, the corporate RIET or REIT (I always forget) aren’t growing to his expectations.

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    Stop man… You had me at cat blanket, no need to say anything else, I will continue from home.

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    minneapolis mayor can foresee the coming commercial real-estate bubble collapsing - they must get a lot of tax dollars from businesses

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      Because of how property tax works in the U.S, denser areas pay more property tax and cost less in relative terms with regards to infrastructure, so it’s a pretty safe bet that he’s going to be losing money here.

      Except for when the city goes bankrupt, he’s not personally on the hook - the tax payers get to absorb that loss instead.

      Property tax in the U.S is pretty dumb in general to be honest. Should probably replace it with LVT tbh

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      Wouldn’t be surprised if he himself or any number of people who fronted the money to get them elected are invested in that business

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    The comment was a “complete joke” and the study was made-up, the Minneapolis mayor’s office told Fortune

    Ah yes the typical “what? It was just a joke, why’s everyone mad at me?” reaction to saying something only an asshole would say, fuck this guy. So sorry rich people are going to make less money off of their real estate investments, boo fucking hoo, how about adapting to technological and cultural changes better? 🤷‍♂️

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      Disclosure: I work from home and enjoy it immensely. I never want to work in an office again.

      So sorry rich people are going to make less money off of their real estate investments, boo fucking hoo, how about adapting to technological and cultural changes better?

      There is that, and some rich people need to be boiled in their own pudding. But this affects all downtown businesses, even mom and pop shops. People will just flee like urban flight did when people went to the suburbs. What’s left? I hear about “well, turn office buildings into residential space,” but the logistics of that with fire codes, building codes, and urban planning are not drop in replacements. They can be done, but at great cost.

      We’re looking at an urban decay beyond what we’ve planned for. Minneapolis is terrified to become another Detroit or Gary Indiana.

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        but the logistics of that with fire codes, building codes, and urban planning are not drop in replacements. They can be done, but at great cost.

        Most of the buildings were talking about are made to accommodate stricter codes already. The problem isn’t really at all the cost of retrofitting them, so much as it is the lower rent/sf price they can charge for it.

        Everything else you mentioned is fair, but the only reason people would rather leave urban centers if they don’t need to be there is the cost of living there. No matter how you slice it, the biggest obstacle to dense residential city centers is the established expectation of higher ROI on the space and the over-leveraged building owners who can’t afford to charge less for risk of defaulting on their properties.

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          In the end, it’s about bailing out the rich. They should have diversified their bets away from commercial real estate.

          Covid mashed fast forward, but remote knowledge work was a thing before it. It was a foreseeable risk, even just from guessing normal rich people motivations: once the San Francisco crowd figured out they could cast a bigger net for talent, AND pay lower-cost-of-living city salaries to them, it was going to spread.

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        It doesn’t have to all be bad. If the city could get the head out of their ass, they could sort out the codes and get it done. Let people who work downtown live downtown. Shrink the driving and parking infrastructure, turn it into a walkable, bikeable area.

        Rents/leases could go way down for the mom and pop shops that can survive in the new design.

        Other businesses can move further out where the people are, so the suburbs can become more walkable.

        If we made the focus on reducing waste, and making things easy for everyone, rather than how to make rich people richer, theres lots of solutions.

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          It was obkious 30 years ago downtowns were in trouble because busimesses ere moving to suburbs. They still haken’t made serious effort to change the root causese of that.

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              typing on my phone. I have never found a good keyboard for mobile. I turned autocorrect off long ago as it too often was changing what I wrote to something that was completely the opposite, at least without it you know I didn’t mean that can can figure it out (I hope). I’m using thumb-key which overall I like, but there are still issues with it.

              I have dysgraphia which means writing is already more difficult for me than most, combine that will small text boxes and random hitting of something I didn’t mean…

              I’m on a real computer now so I was able to run spellcheck and get at least the most obvious mistakes fixed.

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          In addition, increase housing density by removing single family only zoning and adding more missing middle and affordable housing. Make the city a place people want to live (and can afford to live) rather than just a place people commute in and out from in their noisy, polluting cars.

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    I guess making his downtown a good place to live and work might take some effort, while insults are free. Good use of economic resources.

    I hope this guy gets stuck in traffic enough that his policies don’t get traction, and someone more capable gets elected next.

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    People just don’t want to spend what little time we have on this earth commuting, paying $10 for a shitty Subway sandwich for lunch, and listening to Elderly Manager Brian talk about his glory days to a captive audience.

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    “impact of remote work on Minneapolis’ downtown economy”

    So nothing about the impact of remote work on actual productivity and output, which studies show are greatly improved. F your downtown, man.

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      If “downtown” were a carless urban greenscape, it would be thriving, particularly if folks had control over their own busy schedules. Instead, this idiot presides over a traffic-jammed, smog-filled, noisy, ugly, colorless concrete jungle and he’s sad it’s dying? Yeah, because most cities are a hideous blight zones.

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    Man, if you become a loser in a few months what does that make me since I’ve been fully remote for six years, and more than 50% remote for eleven years.

    Also, here’s the problem as defined by Minneapolis:

    Gen Z prefers laptop diddling and nasty cat blankets to going out

    What does “going out” entail? Visiting a bar and overpaying for drinks in a noisy bar? Overpaying at a restaurant that doesn’t even have plates?

    Gen Z doesn’t have any money. Going out requires money. So unless they’re gonna subsidize meals at restaurants, people will stay home and diddle on their laptops because at least that doesn’t cost money.

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      It’s the same with a lot of us millennial people.

      I graduated into a job market still largely crushed by the dotcom bubble bursting, had my entire life and career path destroyed by the GFC, then another destroyed by covid.

      Let me just spend a third of my monthly food allowance on food I can make better myself to please the downtown economy god, I guess lmfao.

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    Oh, the loser who was on the Minneapolis city council for years before becoming mayor and then doing shit-all for a couple years before multiple cops in his city murdered George Floyd? The city that had so many civil rights violations that they’re now operating under a consent decree? Why should I care what that guy says?

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      This guy seems like the type that pretends to be on the left, but will switch to the Republicans at the first sign of trouble. He is absolutely hated by his entire left-leaning constituency. Including by all his city reps you can see in the video, their faces clearly show they think he’s an idiot.

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      It sure seems like some people insist on making absolutely everything a Republican-vs.-Democrat issue.

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        I mean… He’s an elected official in a party that is, well, a branch of the democratic party.

        He’s a politically elected official acting in a political capacity making a political statement about labor and work.

        I’m really not sure what you think your point is.

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          My point is that this isn’t some kind of broad-based Democratic party platform on display here. He’s just an idiot politician saying something dumb who happens to be a Democrat. He’s not holding this position because he’s a Democrat.

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            My point is that this isn’t some kind of broad-based Democratic party platform on display here. He’s just an idiot politician saying something dumb who happens to be a Democrat. He’s not holding this position because he’s a Democrat.

            I mean he’s a Democrat and he’s holding the position. I can guarantee you that the DNC will not be siding with me on my stance on labor, work from home, etc, they’ll be siding with this muppet. And guess what? Probably half of the Democrats in office now when pressed, will hold a similar position. About 2/5ths will side with this goon once their corporate donors press the ‘Submit’ button. The last 10th, thats the squad and the progressives. An absolute minority.

            The Democrats suck. They really fucking suck. They represent two generations of policy failure. This guy isn’t an outlier, he’s the main stream. And yet its teaching sheep to speak greek when trying to get Democrats and Liberals to understand whey they struggle sooooo hard when the country is fairly left in many regards.

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              I can guarantee you that the DNC will not be siding with me on my stance on labor, work from home, etc, they’ll be siding with this muppet.

              How can you guarantee me that? Is there something in their platform about this, a clear pattern of other Democratic politicians taking this position, or is this just a feeling you’ve got?

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    Well I work from home and make $90k MORE than this loser that has to go in to an office. So what does that say about him?