I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me.
If I don’t survive, tell my wife hello.
Code beige
I hate that this is a meme.
Exactly.
Almost like that’s the point.
You once again misstate the Center, which is of course to be expected on Tankie Central, couple that with the Far Left having just spent last spring and summer waiving the flags of hezbollah and hamas marching and camping in university commons across the nation chanting “from the river to the sea”, your sad faced leftists is particularly laughable
What are you trying to say? Incomprehensible
You think lemmy.world is tankie central?
You think caring about Palestinian’s is a communist thing?
I’m not a communist but I say a few things loud and clear. Free Palestine. Fuck the IDF…
“Caring about Palestine” is not the same as waving the flags of Hezbollah, and Hamas, and changing “from the river to the sea”
I support Palestine and Palestinians. Israel is committing genocide.
I am also Jewish and will never wave a Hezbollah or Hamas flag, nor will you ever hear me chant that antisemitic phrase promoting the extermination of Jews.
You’re acting just as bad as the Israelis when it comes to perceiving anything but complete support for everything they do as an attack
The slogan From the River to the Sea is about Palestinian liberation that started in the 60s by the PLO for a democratic secular state, not Genocide. The Syrian leader Hafez al-Assad in 1966 maybe, but he’s not Palestinian.
Which sea and which river was that again? Is it perhaps some geography that categorically precludes the existence of Israel? Since, you know, from the river to the sea must be free, and I am pretty sure they don’t mean “free, under Israeli governance”
My understanding was that the phrase “from the river to the sea” is associated with a “one-state-solution” to the conflict. The second link in the comment you’re replying to goes into this more in depth, but it’s not a new discussion: here’s a piece from Edward Saïd in 1999.
A one state solution doesn’t call for the genocide of Israelis. The equal and active participation of the Israeli people would be necessary for such a one state solution to work; you can’t solve a genocide with more genocide.
It’s about Palestinian emancipation from Israeli Settlers Colonialism, from Apartheid. Zionism has been about the Settler Colonialism and Ethnic Cleansing of the native Palestinians since the start. Partition was used to preemptively justify the Nakba. The 1967 occupation was used to justify expanding into the West Bank and Gaza and begin more settlements. I and many others support a One-State Solution, because it’s a One-State Reality, one entrenched in Apartheid.
I am pretty sure they don’t mean “free, under Israeli governance”
They do, but I’m not sure you understand the scope of brutality and violence Palestinians are subjugated to under Israel supremacy and Apartheid, and have been for generations.
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Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.
The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.
An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.
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10 myths of Israel by Ilan Pappe, summerized and full book
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Transfer Committee and the JNF led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate.
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Israel Martial Law and Defence (Emergency) Regulations practiced in the occupied territories after 1967
Peace Process and Solution
Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades.
Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution
(Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ).
The settlements have created hundreds of isolated bantustans within the West Bank, preventing any two-state solution that may have been possible before the Israeli occupation in 1967
The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
Historian Works on the History
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Palestine: A Four Thousand Year History - Nur Masalha
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The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948 - Nur Masalha
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A History of Modern Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine - Rashid Khalidi
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The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe
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The 1967 Arab-Israeli War: Origins and Consequences - Avi Shlaim
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The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories - Ilan Pappe
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The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-development - Sara Roy
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10 Myths About Israel - Ilan Pappe (summery)
In the Shadow of the Holocaust by Masha Gessen, the situation in Gaza is compared to the Warsaw Ghettos. The comparison was also made by a Palestinian poet who was later killed by an Israeli airstrike.
Adi Callai has also written on the parallels in his article The Gaza Ghetto Uprising and expanded upon in his corresponding video. It’s seriously worth a watch
I agree with the start of this post, and then it got a were bit unhinged.
I’m not acting anything, I was responding to your weird post that seemed to insinuate this place was communist central and everyone here was Hamas sympathisers.
I don’t know enough history to understand why Hezbollah are seen as worse than the IDF. Even when I researched, I couldn’t find anywhere near the civilian body count. I thought that was the hallmark of terrorism.
It’s really, really easy to find a ton of information on Hezbollah and their history of criminal atrocities. Like, 20 minutes of googling easy.
Also it wasn’t my comment you were replying to.
This is an excellent example of how the Democrats lost the last election.
Is Saturday Night Live on this weekend? I hope they open with Musk the night before, practicing in front of a mirror. “First I’m gonna sieg heil, then twirl, then sieg heil again, then recite the Fourteen Words. No… maybe just salute, then do a HALF turn, then only HINT at the 14 words… People will get it!”
I hope they just completely recreate one of Hitler’s speeches but with Elon instead.
Or better yet, that video of Hitler watching the Olympics while completely tweaked out
Yes, with host Timothée Chalamet. Interesting that space hitler is hosting snl after Musk did this.
It would be awesome if they did something with this. But their corporate owners will doubtlessly forbid it.
No one on the left is crestfallen or surprised or whatever that wojak means that an oligarch is also a fascist. Or that a racist dipshit who praised the nazi party like last week happens to be a nazi.
No one does that on accident. This will be far worse than most expect
He also did it twice in a row.
Well, since he did it in the opposite direction, it cancels out the first one!
He makes the face that a 12-year-old would make when trying to be cool and do something they’re not supposed to. It’s a recurring thing with him, both acting and looking like a shitty child.
And what do we do with nazis?
But you do realize they didn’t celebrate “not getting banned by court” with their small group of a few lads but winning presidency with likely a sizable chunk of voters fully supporting them in even their more crude views?
Hammer in their head
You guys are really disturbingly violent. Isn’t the Nazis being violent the reason why people don’t like Nazis. You seem just as bad
It’s self defense. They want me dead by definition.
Well obviously that’s wrong
But going out and trying to kill them is no better.
None of it should happen.
I see you would struggle with the trolley problem. Look up some pictures of Nazi’s smiling next to large piles of emaciated corpses and tell me that I’m just as bad for wanting them dead.
No body should want any body dead. I’m against violence of any kind.
If only the Russians thought like you, then the Nazi’s would’ve won. Perhaps you like that more than having a spine.
I don’t threaten people with violence. You’re just as bad as them, if you think violence is the solution.
::Checks username:: Oh so that’s why you’re slow.
Shoot them on sight, they’re enemy combatants 😏
Punch them in the face.
That is a lot milder than what I was taught.
It’s much easier if you remove the face first.
I don’t think it was an accident. I mostly lean towards it being a troll move to spark outrage.
It can be two things.
It was to spark outrage, and to call out his racist Nazi Homies on the right.
I feel like “noo it wasn’t a Nazi salute, or uh, it wasn’t intentional” is more of a “right of center” response instead of a “center” response, and “Elon Musk just did a Nazi salute on live TV” is closer to center, but otherwise this seems accurate.
Maybe the Overton window has shifted so far right that I’m wrong about that, though.
On this case, the “noo it wasn’t a Nazi salute, or uh, it wasn’t intentional” is a “nazis paid me to say this” response. At best it’s “I haven’t seen it, and I don’t trust you” answer.
But well, the people criticizing “centrists” are usually on that later category, and usually for good reason, so their experience may be biased.
None of the mainstream media wanted to call it out for what it was. They profess to be centrist, but you could indeed probably classify them as centre right, especially when it comes to economic issues.
The problem is that America has no mainstream centrist or leftist media. It’s either center-right or far-right. The closest we get to a progressive are comics like John Stewart and John Oliver.
Hey there, everyone. I’m the center. Go check my history, you’ll be disgusted if you’re far left.
Yeah… this was not okay. We know what this is in the “center”. Fuck Elon Musk.
Yeah, I see John Cleese’s Advantages of Extremism skit is still as relevant as ever…
Relevant because it showcases liberals’ political illiteracy?
Not throwing any shade at Cleese though, he’s one of the few conservatives who was genuinely talented at comedy.
As a republican…yeaahhh
Yeah what?
Fucked up what Elon did. Can’t justify it or nothing
I know you people hate the centre, but thats a pretty far right Portrait of the centre
I don’t understand why everyone who says this is downvoted in this thread. Saying that the apologists of a fascist who gave the Nazi salute on national television are more right that centre seems like a pretty reasonable stance.
What would you call news outlets like the New York Times?
Idk, I’m not american
Edit: but if they defended the “he didn’t mean to do that” stance, then they are far closer to the right than they think
American centrists are right wing by other countries standards. The anti defamation league, an American organization that supposedly fights antisemitism, is saying its not a nazi salute. Idk what they are smoking.
Multiple accidents in a row. Accidentally doing the same thing multiple times with a smile on your face. Enthusiastically making a mistake, repeating it, and not commenting about the mistake.
These are all examples of how people act when they make mistakes.
it would have been better if it was a smile; he looked a bit too angry while talking “about his heart”
I swear this admin could hang up a giant swastika flag in the Oval Office and the media would defend it as “they’re just honoring Usha Vance’s Hindu heritage, it doesn’t matter that it’s diagonal in a white circle on a red background with the 14 Words underneath, it’s a symbol of peace and prosperity”
Also accidentally following a ton of Nazi accounts on Twitter and replying ‘interesting!’ or ‘you’re absolutely right!’ whenever those accounts blame the Jews/globalists/immigrants for anything.
Also saying the afd was the way to save Germany
We need to stop using the word ‘accident’. Accident my hole, he wanted to see if he could get away with it. So far he has.
I don’t know what you hope to accomplish with these memes other than pushing people to the right… Like is that the goal? Because it seems like that’s the goal. It’s a constant strawman fallacy with the same bullshit format the far right uses in their memes.
