• Deceptichum@quokk.au
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        Oh come off it mate. It’s not hard to see where the US has lead the charge in topics such as LGBT+ rights or racial equality, and it wasn’t from Asia or Europe let me tell you that much.

        They may have a shit ton of flaws, and have a large part actively trying to undo all their work, but they have still done so much positive.

        Look at the timeline for marriage equality for instance, they were right up there with the first wave leading the global surge. That doesn’t happen if you’re full of hatred for them.

        They’re a dichotomy of amazing social progressivism and brutal conservatism.

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          This timeline? Where the US is nearly the last of any western nation to legalise gay marriage?

          And isn’t your country actively trying to work back any progress you’ve had in the last decade? Trans rights, queer rights, women’s rights, minority rights.

          Also isn’t it Americans who are pushing the most for anti-LGBT legislation in African countries?

          Canada is falling down the same hill when it comes to trans rights, and it hurts me, but I’m not out here saying that Canada is any sort of leader in the field. I recognise the issues my country has and I’m going to fight to fix them.

          Knock off the American exceptionalism for one second and deal with the problems your country has

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            Mahatey, it’s not my fucking country or American exceptionalism because I’m not American eh?

            This timeline:

            And you’re a fucking idiot if you don’t think Canada is not one of the best places in the world for rights. Go take a holiday to 90% of the world and let me know how they treat women or queers.

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              Didn’t realise you weren’t American, sorry for assuming. Admittedly I’m very jaded right now (and a bit drunk) with all the threats of invasion and with Americans either laughing it off or being all for it (and I recognise that’s not all Americans but it’s enough). Like, “haha, Canada will turn the USA blue!”

              And fine, yeah Canada is pretty up there for LGBT rights, but when one of the main platform points (imported from the USA!) from the Conservatives right now seems to be just straight up attacking trans people, it makes me pretty worried. I have multiple family members and a few friends who are trans or non binary and the rhetoric is scary.

              But TL;DR, not angry at you, just America(ns). I apologise to the good Americans, but your country is exporting a lot of bullshit right now. More than usual

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                American here. I would love for us to come up and take over your country.

                You piggyback on our military, and I believe any detriments to Canada will be balanced by benefits to America.

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            Wait where’s china, russia, turkey, iran, dprk, or any of those countries on this list? They were all before 2000, right? Right?

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          I didn’t say there were no positives from America did I? I didn’t rank where America stands in how progressive or conservative America is.

          I said America is full of hatred towards Minorities with no comparison to another place.

          I am not wrong. There is too much of it.

          So “come off” what exactly?

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            I said America is full of hatred towards Minorities with no comparison to another place. I am not wrong.

            But you are wrong. The US doesn’t hate its minorities in general. The US hates the poor in specific.

            • Gay billionaire
            • Black billionaire
            • Hispanic billionaire
            • Muslim billionaire
            • Female billionaire

            The same goes if you replace “billionaire” with “poor”. If you are rich, you are welcome. That’s your only qualifier. If you are poor, you are trash. That is your only qualifier.

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              I don’t think that’s entirely true and Thiel will learn that lesson sooner or later. Arguably already has as he was rumored to have been pissed about all the anti-trans rhetoric and throttled spending, which is why Elon had to step up and shell out.

              Now Musk is in the driver seat with a grudge he hasn’t paid back from PayPal and Thiel’s in danger of finding out after fucking around.

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              When I say America I mean the people of America. There are large numbers of folks, regardless of why they do, hate minorities.

              I didn’t say the wealthy “elite” weren’t the cause of a lot of the divide. They absolutely are. No such thing as an ethical billionaire.

              I’m not disagreeing with you on the fact that your financial status isn’t what really separates us. What I am saying is there is still too much hate towards minorities. That doesn’t change that the wealthy are a problem.

              You’re taking two separate ideas and merging them into one “truth.”

              They ate two separate topics. Just because the wealthy are guilty of the bad they are doing doesn’t take away the fact that there is too much hate towards minorities in America from the people that live here.

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            Decep is right.

            Not from America. America is full of hatred towards minorities.

            You’re basically implying the bad outweighs the good to the point that it won’t give them any ideas.

            The bad may be very amplified now, but I think the TikTok crowd in particular and US history skews towards “majority good”

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              I didn’t imply that. Stating that there is too much hatred of minorities doesn’t mean that America fails at everything. That is a stretch. Me pointing out that America has a lot of hatred towards minorities isn’t a reflection of everything America does as a whole is inherently bad.

              I didn’t say that America can’t have a good influence on another country. America isn’t one to look to especially now for how minorities are treated.

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          Mexico had their first black president in 1829 and abolished slavery. The US was a century too late to lead such a thing. Your comment reeks of western chauvinism.

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            . . . You don’t think Mexico is western?

            And who said anything about the first black president or abolishing slavery? Mexico didn’t give women the right to vote until 50 years after we did here in Australia, does that mean you reek as well? What an odd stand to try and make.

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              Lmao, way to go, I’m not even Mexican. You said the US was leading the charge and included racism, that’s a silly statement, so I pointed out the absurdity of it.

              Mexico is culturally western, but not white, ergo, not politically western. And Australia, you’re British diaspora from a country constantly attacking the aboriginals through even their votes. While Mexico can be lacking, they’re the ones with a female president and abortion rights, so again, the americans leading the charge is a humorous statement.

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        There is a lot of hatred towards minorities, but there’s also a lot of acceptance of them that would be out of place in most of the world.

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            You singled it out. Which was incorrect. Hatred of minorities is common in every culture on every continent of the Earth. It’s a basic human nature thing. And America isn’t special in that respect. Hell when you get into large monocultures like China Etc the racism and hatred of minorities gets even more extreme and specific. In fact a lot of those hatreds have been imported from all over. The Koreans hatred of the japanese. The Japanese is hatred of the Chinese and vice versa. Various Indian sects hatred of each other. And the colorful bigotry of Europe and the Mediterranean. But one thing it is also produced here in America that is a little less common than elsewhere. Are people that actually are much more tolerant and supportive of minorities. Unfortunately they’re not the ones in control but they do exist.

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              Singling out a problem that exists in a country I am very familiar with is a non problem. I didn’t state it was special to America. I didn’t speak on any other nation and their hatred of minorities. I didn’t even state anything about it being part of “human nature.”

              I spoke on being familiar with the fact that it is a problem in America.

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        America is of the few nations that has to deal with real diversity, so yes.

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      Imo it’s more sad than hilarious. US users and Chinese users meeting each other on the platform and discovering they are interesting people who actually have a lot in common sounds like what I’d wish the internet to be.
      It’s not surprising, and I get the irony, but I feel more sad than amused.

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        I totally agree with you.

        We shouldn’t be cheering on segregation.

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        You know, the news about Chinese and American users comparing their worldviews seemed weird to me because it reads like this is the first time Chinese and American users have interacted and had the chance to talk “candidly”.

        My first thought was, “Why the fuck is this news? It’s not like Chinese users can’t interact on American platfor—”

        …oh. Right. The great firewall.

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      I knew it was coming since that article yesterday about us Americans posting vids of 3D printed guns lmao

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      This was the turn of events anyone who knows anything about China and the CCP (and how closely they control businesses there) would have expected.

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      TikTok is banned in China, so why would anyone ever expect this would be different in this case?

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        They have Douyin (it’s a carbon copy of tiktok). Rednote released a public statement welcoming US users, no evidence that what this article implies is being considered at all. The evidence is a reddit post. You are responding in agreement to a propaganda rag.

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          But TikTok is still banned by China… Chinese people cannot sign up for TikTok and communicate with the outside world.

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          They blocked the TikTok domain in China. What would you call that, if not a ban?

          You are naive if you believe they aren’t going to sever the communities. That was always going to happen.

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          Why is it a different product then? Does it allow the same content? Same algorithm?

          Or is it different, and not an actual carbo copy?

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    Most of my lab mates are Chinese and I joined WeChat because it was what they all used. Everything was fine except my account kept getting banned for no reason. I had assumed it might be because I accidentally turned on a VPN, but ultimately I concluded it was because they didn’t want the intermingling of Chinese and American accounts, which was literally the only reason I was there in the first place.

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      I been told Wechat requires phone number, do they not check VOIP numbers or did they just not block your number for creation? That’s super weird.

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        They have (or had) a system for reactivation that involved endorsement from another account. IIRC it was QR code based, so one of my friends would scan my reactivation QR code and a few verification texts later I’d have my account back. The last time I was banned, it was after I hearted one of my friend’s posts about his graduation.

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    Go for it. I have my doubts that there is really any mass migration of English language users to an all Chinese website to begin with. The whole thing feels like a propaganda campaign.

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      Idk, I went on there earlier and watched some of the live interactions, there does seem to be a large amount of English speaking people who are messaging the live creators and the creators are responding in their best possible English.

      It’s actually quite nice to see two different cultures coming together.

      But I’m sure that if they wall off the rest of China to the US users the app will lose its shine and people will move on somewhere else.

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    RedNote’s Chinese name, Xiaohongshu, literally translates to “Little Red Book,” which seems like a direct reference to a book of quotes from Chinese communist leader Mao Tse-tung. But The Washington Post reported that the app is designed to be apolitical and its co-founder, Mao, maintains that the name instead pays “homage to the colors of his college,” Stanford Business School, and his former employer, Bain Capital.

    Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeetthefuckouttahere!

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        Ashley Belanger May Be Embezzling Money From Ars Technica

        Just a few days after writing an article on Ars Technica about the possibility of foreign users on RedNote being walled off from Chinese users, rumors began swirling on Lemmy that she may soon decide to defraud her employer by transferring company money into her personal bank account.

        😝

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    I mean they added a translate button in the last day or two, so I infer that at least the people running the site are OK with encouraging the sudden American popularity.

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      Obviously take this with a grain of salt but a spokesperson of China already said they approve of this cultural exchange.

      Remember Rednote is approved by the CCP so there was already propaganda on the app and they are using this time to piss off Americans about some of our poor policy choices. Obviously there is not much negative stuff of China on the app.