Introducing Sudo for Windows We’re excited to announce the release of Sudo for Windows in Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 26052! Sudo for Windows is a new way for users to run elevated commands directly from an unelevated console session. It is an ergonomic and familiar solution for users who want to elevate a command without having to first open a new elevated console.
I’m always aboard the Microsoft hate train, but I don’t see how them adding sudo fits within EEE. Here’s an excerpt from microsoft/sudo on Github:
Obviously, everything about permissions and the command line experience is different between Windows and Linux. This project is not a fork of the Linux sudo project, nor is it a port of the Linux sudo project. Instead, Sudo for Windows is a Windows-specific implementation of the sudo concept.
As the two are entirely different applications, you’ll find that certain elements of the Linux sudo experience are not present in Sudo for Windows, and vice versa.
Despite sharing a name and features, they’re for two completely separate platforms and offer no interoperability. If MS decided to release their version of sudo for Linux, maybe we could talk about EEE. For now, all they’ve done is implement a useful tool from another platform into theirs, and that’s a (rare) positive for MS, even if this feature should have existed like 30 years ago.
Microsoft has done this already for tons of windows applications. For example, open up powershell and run “curl”. It’s a http downloader program, but not the one you think of, and the args are completely different. This has been the case for years, yet you can still find answers for curl problems by searching. I don’t see this being any different.
I can definitely see this argument, but I strongly suspect the inverse will be true; finding results for MS sudo which aren’t about Linux might be difficult.
After all, sudo has existed for a long time. Also, I assume over 90% of people who use Linux uses or has used sudo, whereas a tiny fraction of Windows users will ever use MS sudo.
Desperation is when there is no reason to think something can be done. I’m way past the stage of assuming honest intentions from M$. If this comes to bite us like EEE then shame on us.
If you wanted to talk about EEE regarding Linux subsystem for Windows, you probably should specify that. I share your misgivings about WSL, but this thread is about sudo for Windows which is another thing entirely.
Making it easier to stay off Linux, adding similar elements to Linux to appeal to Linux users.
I have a hard time imagining Linux users switching to Windows because of a feature Linux has had since its inception. Of course MS won’t do anything that doesn’t increase their profits, that’s what corporations do. Implementing “new” features is a way of attracting more users, sure, but I still fail to see any way in which sudo for Windows fits the EEE scheme. “Embrace, extend, extinguish” refers to specific predatory business practices, it’s not shorthand for “everything I dislike about capitalism and the tech industry” and using it as such kinda dilutes its original meaning.
Maybe you could open your “fucking” eyes and read what I replied to you? 😊
I fully agree with you that Microsoft is a blight on the tech world and that they are no friends of free and/or open source software. Nowhere in my previous replies did I disagree with you on that.
I simply disagree with the idea that “Microsoft sudo” falls under the definition of “Embrace, extend, and extinguish”. Is it a bit shitty that they named it sudo rather than something else? Yeah.
Like I said, EEE is not an umbrella term for “bad thing big tech company does”. Here’s a definition for you, from the Wikipedia page I linked in a previous comment:
[…] strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences in order to strongly disadvantage its competitors.
Please, tell me how MS sudo, which is for a different platform than sudo and doesn’t not offer any interoperability between the two, falls under this definition?
If you’re this hostile to someone who practically agrees with you on every point except your use of the term “embrace, extend, extinguish”, I guess I understand why some Windows users perceive Linux users as fanatic zealots. I’m on your side!!
Embrace, extend, extinguish. Fucking microcrap
…what?
I’m always aboard the Microsoft hate train, but I don’t see how them adding sudo fits within EEE. Here’s an excerpt from microsoft/sudo on Github:
Despite sharing a name and features, they’re for two completely separate platforms and offer no interoperability. If MS decided to release their version of sudo for Linux, maybe we could talk about EEE. For now, all they’ve done is implement a useful tool from another platform into theirs, and that’s a (rare) positive for MS, even if this feature should have existed like 30 years ago.
Will this not dilute search results related to sudo? It’s minor but I think could be considered EEE.
Microsoft has done this already for tons of windows applications. For example, open up powershell and run “curl”. It’s a http downloader program, but not the one you think of, and the args are completely different. This has been the case for years, yet you can still find answers for curl problems by searching. I don’t see this being any different.
I can definitely see this argument, but I strongly suspect the inverse will be true; finding results for MS sudo which aren’t about Linux might be difficult.
After all, sudo has existed for a long time. Also, I assume over 90% of people who use Linux uses or has used sudo, whereas a tiny fraction of Windows users will ever use MS sudo.
Sounds like a bit of a desperate reach to attach the EEE label to this.
Desperation is when there is no reason to think something can be done. I’m way past the stage of assuming honest intentions from M$. If this comes to bite us like EEE then shame on us.
To be honest, it just sounds like you have an unnecessary chip on your shoulder.
It’s up to me to decide my friend from my foe, appears justified and important to me.
Linux subsystem for windows… Making it easier to stay off Linux, adding similar elements to Linux to appeal to Linux users.
It’s 100% per of EEE, subtle as not to make users like you freak out.
MS won’t do anything that doesn’t help them make more money / more users
If you wanted to talk about EEE regarding Linux subsystem for Windows, you probably should specify that. I share your misgivings about WSL, but this thread is about sudo for Windows which is another thing entirely.
I have a hard time imagining Linux users switching to Windows because of a feature Linux has had since its inception. Of course MS won’t do anything that doesn’t increase their profits, that’s what corporations do. Implementing “new” features is a way of attracting more users, sure, but I still fail to see any way in which sudo for Windows fits the EEE scheme. “Embrace, extend, extinguish” refers to specific predatory business practices, it’s not shorthand for “everything I dislike about capitalism and the tech industry” and using it as such kinda dilutes its original meaning.
Some light reading
Seriously open your fucking eyes…
Maybe you could open your “fucking” eyes and read what I replied to you? 😊
I fully agree with you that Microsoft is a blight on the tech world and that they are no friends of free and/or open source software. Nowhere in my previous replies did I disagree with you on that.
I simply disagree with the idea that “Microsoft sudo” falls under the definition of “Embrace, extend, and extinguish”. Is it a bit shitty that they named it sudo rather than something else? Yeah.
Like I said, EEE is not an umbrella term for “bad thing big tech company does”. Here’s a definition for you, from the Wikipedia page I linked in a previous comment:
Please, tell me how MS sudo, which is for a different platform than sudo and doesn’t not offer any interoperability between the two, falls under this definition?
If you’re this hostile to someone who practically agrees with you on every point except your use of the term “embrace, extend, extinguish”, I guess I understand why some Windows users perceive Linux users as fanatic zealots. I’m on your side!!
Yeah was harsh, having some shit times right now and sometimes it comes out on here rather than IRL. Sorry.
It’s the fact they are adding familiar elements, it has shit to do with interoperability, probably just for now. Its MS were talking about
And I’m just a dumb windows user man, been too lazy to make the transition.
Hey no worries, we all have our bad days. Props for owning up to it! Apologies if I ever came off as rude as well.
Hope you feel better soon 💕
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