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Yes. One million times yes. Let’s watch the GOP fucking implode when the largest GDP State (CA) leaves their ass. It’s insane they are whining about our fires… Idaho was far more on fire this year than us in California. And that was all forest, not literal neighborhoods that 100% raked their fuckin leaves.
Take Oregon and Washington and the USA is left without a Pacific Coast…LOL!
But my manifest destiny!
Keep it down. We don’t want them figuring it out! (Also Alaska)
I live in WA and I want this more than anything.
As a Washingtonian, I’m so fucking sold.
I think a lot of us in Washington and Oregon would be all for this. And we can leave the eastern sides out. Northern California is obviously welcome.
Trade NorCal for New England and it’s a deal.
Sorry. NorCal is part of our shared cultural region. We could probably accept New England in, though.
Northern California is obviously welcome.
Except for Silicon Valley, right? Or does Canada have better antitrust and worker’s rights regulations and enforcement too?
Workers rights are of provincial jurisdiction with some industries being under federal jurisdiction (like banks), so it would mostly be up to the new provinces.
Healthcare coverage is made mandatory by the federal side but is of provincial jurisdiction (so it’s not handled the same everywhere).
The Bay Area can be excised to form the new US charter city-state of Galt’s Gulch.
Galt’s Gulch
Sounds like a sexually transmitted disease that you can also get from reading too much Ayn Rand 😂
Same fucking here!
Minnesota welcomes Canada with the traditional poutine and tatortot hotdish border potluck
Please don’t leave us behind
Do you remember that time Minnesota annexed the upper peninsula? Yeah crazy, but that means we get to be Canadian too
Imagine the US losing the pacific coast?
They would never let it happen.
What about New Mexico?
If the US can have Alaska, we can join Canada, right?No… Tis a silly place
Yah… Twas afraid of that
Sorry if you’re stuck there in the Land of Entrapment… Really hope you find a way to escape!
Lots of people call it that. I rather like it here.
Should join Mexico, change the name to Old Mexico
That would be ideal. But they didn’t offer
Yeah, right. If California joined they’d be subsidizing health care for the rest of Canada through transfer payments since every province would be considered a “have not province” compared to California.
This is like inviting your billionaire uncle to move in with you and also open a joint bank account.
Yes subsidized healthcare is the goal.
Mostly ours is single payer, except for prescriptions, etc.
Although it has been moving further towards private because of the right-wing provincial governments (who control healthcare spending).
Better balance all that by including New England. In Massachusetts, we’re already closest to universal healthcare
Our population would double too
And we wouldn’t have to cross the border to fight wildfires anymore!
We already don’t have to. Plenty of wildfires happen here too.
chonglibloodsport has forgotten how much smoke and burning embers we sent America last year.
So?
Do you understand the goal of transfer payments? Because from what you just said you already don’t understand how it works.
Isn’t this kinda already the case when you compare California to other states? In terms of subsidizing the rest of the country, not healthcare.
I wonder if Canada sending its water bombers so that California doesn’t get burnt to a crisp counts as a transfer payment.
Nah, that’s just being a good neighbour.
Canada has a massive program of equalization transfer payments where taxes collected in rich provinces go to subsidize poor ones. The US does not have anything like this. None of the state governments have their budgets subsidized by other states.
None of the state governments have their budgets subsidized by other states.
Maybe not directly, but… https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/donor-states
It’s federal taxes so it’s the federal government that’s subsidizing some provinces and not others to make their potential tax revenue per capita the same, the goal is to make sure those provinces aren’t left behind.
If the program didn’t exist Albertans would still pay those taxes, they would be used to pay for other Canada wide programs.
Bonus: Lil’PP signed on the the current calculation of transfer payments, it was put in place during the Harper years.
She’s trolling trump. It’s not a serious proposition.
Plus, while May is a parliamentarian, she is also the leader of a party of one elected person.
Which should have been three elected if Trudeau had kept his promise of electoral reform.
One can still fantasize about a brighter future, can they?
Yes, by all means. Considering how dismal it’s about to be in the states, the only ones that would revile you for imaging a brighter future are mostly those who voted to make it darker.
Honestly most northern states would probably want to join Canada. Michigan sign me tf up
Oregonian here. I am ready to pledge allegiance to the king any minute
I feel like Michigan is a bit too swingy for that, they went red again (by a small margin) last election. I would really like it tho, it would make visiting my in-laws feel a bit less daunting.
Governor and State Senate legislature are blue, just not the state house. Overall Michigan is pretty purple with a small majority left which I think blends well with Canada.
Maryland. I’m in. It’s closer than you think.
Elizabeth May, you’re swell!
Sooo, as a Canadian, I’m pretty sure I have the authority to speak for all of us, and as much as I’d love to have you all, I’d rather not tempt fate and accidentally start a war.
Also, Indiana, Idaho, South Dakota and Wyoming, you’re expressly not allowed in.
I think Alabama is one where the feeling is mutual.
I wonder what Hawaii and Alaska would think.
As a Canadian, Hawaii really don’t feel Canadian. Would they be better off as their own thing?
I thought Alaska could join as a territory and not a province but then realized that Alaska has more population than the 3 territories combined and then it’s still over 6 times more.
Re-establish the Kingdom of Hawaii!
Since, you know, that was a sovereign government we had a hand in overthrowing
Also, Indiana, Idaho, South Dakota and Wyoming, you’re expressly not allowed in.
There’s far too many MAGA hats in Montana and North Dakota for them to be welcomed either.
You’re not going to allow states that don’t border you but you’re okay with Montana? And I wouldn’t say North Dakota is a bastion of progressivism either.
Yeah, NoDak is pretty strong red hat territory. They wouldn’t be a good fit.
Pfft. Everyone knows nobody really lives in Montana. They just pretend they do on paper so they can incorporate LLC’s there and put license plates on their dirt bikes and quads. Montana’s entire population is actually in Kentucky and Florida.
Just think of all the moose you could farm in that space, or whatever it is the Canadians want to do with it.
If the whole “annex Canada” stuff was just a distraction, this might become a reality, fascists like Trump are highly irrational, and might give them the 3 most western states, especially California.
Am Californian, would seriously consider joining Canada.
Trump could reflexively say whatever (as he does) but so much cargo comes through here his business people wouldn’t let him do it. Too much of a tariff risk.
Vermont… I think we could get this done pretty quick… In fact, I bet the rest of the US wouldn’t even notice… Bonus, we’ll bring Bernie.
Can Maine come too?
Maine can go to Spain, after all we already blamed the Maine on Spain.
Upvote for semi-obscure history reference, which unfortunately most products of US education won’t get.
But to get from Maine to Spain you must fly in a plane.
Gotta get your politics in line… Ranked choice voting was a good start… Is that still a thing?
For federal offices yes, for state offices it would require a constitutional amendment. I think Maine is decently progressive despite the second district.
I’m so down for this.
American here. What’s a Vermont?
It’s where some maple syrup comes from. The capital is Montpelier.
That’s the full extent of my Vermont knowledge.
Lol… It’s where Bernie kicked off the revolution
When did he kick it off and how is it going?
Vermont is already a honorary Canadian province for producing so much maple syrup.
Making maple syrup is my favorite late winter activity! I suck at it and have no real setup so it always has an ash flavor… But sitting around a fire all day watching sap boil is very relaxing… Almost everyone taps a tree or two at least.
Those aren’t the states I picture as being closely connected to Canada, but maybe that’s because I’m jealous
As a Georgian, I badly want to be included no matter how irrational it would be.
Can we get a relocation care package for all of the reasonable people stuck in red state hell-holes!? I’d move to literally any blue state if I had the resources and reassurance it won’t be sucked into US federal far right bs. So done with this scam country.
I think each individual state should be able to choose whether they stay in the US or not. Every ten years, the citizens of the state voted. If you vote to leave, you can’t come back for ten years. It would take place at the same time as the census.
Yes, the one aspect of the civil war that I have never agreed with was that a stare can not choose to leave the Union. If a terratory can vote to join the Union, I see no reason why they couldn’t vote to leave it. On that note, I would also support the idea that the other states should have the right to vote out a state they no longer want in the Union.
Which state is the Weakest Link?
Mississippi? Alabama? Wyoming? One of those probably.
Based on statistics, easily Mississippi. But most obnoxious is easily Texas. Texas would be my first vote out.
Seconded. If we oust Texas, we can regain control over the content in school textbooks.
People who want to flee can still be welcomed as refugees.
I am so fucking on board with this, lfg!
If we could trick Mexico into taking back Texas that would be ideal. But Mexico is way too smart to fall for that.
Just ignoring Florida’s existence?
Eh, I’d love to boot all the old confederate states, but picking off the worst first only helps the whole.
Just a few more years
You’re right. Self determination is a right we all have.
Minnesota is basically already there
