What happened next that evening in May 2021 is the basis for a lawsuit by the mother alleging that Burlington police used excessive force and discriminated against her unarmed son, who is Black and has behavioral and intellectual disabilities.
After he failed to hand over the last of the stolen e-cigarettes, two officers physically forced him to do so, then Cathy Austrian’s son was handcuffed and pinned to the ground as he screamed and struggled, according to a civil lawsuit filed Tuesday and police body-camera video shared with The Associated Press by the American Civil Liberties Union of Vermont.
The teen eventually was injected with a ketamine, a sedative, then taken to a hospital, according to the lawsuit and video.
What kind of idiot calls the cops on their black son expecting any kind of positive interaction?
Oh… right…
The white kind…
(grrr!)
My mom was this stupid
I was actually wondering about that. Like as a white person, I don’t want to over step boundaries, but even I’m not surprised.
But this makes a whole lot more sense.
People like her only love the system, not their own kids
That is such a short sighted and dumb response. Really, you can’t just see beyond your own prejudices? Oh, she is white so she must be the devil, she must love the system and hate her own child. Really now? Where you there? Were you watching her every move for the past ten years to draw that conclusion, or are you just writing down some dumb “hurr-durr evil white is bad” comment?
Holy shit, I think we found her Lemmy account
You’re right. She was probably just stupid.
She has been lied to her whole life that the police are there to help. She learned a quick, painful lesson that it isn’t true.
She is not the victim, her son is, and she abused her son.
It’s a plainly obvious fact to anyone with internet access and insight that the police are very obviously NOT there to help you, and instead of accepting the truth, she chose her delusions of a safe and just world, and her son paid the price.
We have the responsibility to know and act on the truth.
Ignorance is NEVER an excuse.
Damn… That was pretty retarded dawg.
Defending child abuse is pretty retarded. Dawg.
Yeah god bless the woman I’m sure she had good intentions - but she’s not living in some 1990s public service announcement where the nice policeman gives valuable lessons to children.
Police are like… an absolute last resort “I need someone shot” measure. The fact that we also have them (for no particular reason) also authorize things like reports for insurance related incidents is a pretty colossal failure of “the system” as a whole
Exactly this. I can’t imagine how sheltered I’d have to be to still believe calling the police to “teach someone a lesson” is anything but a catastrophically bad idea. And I’m pretty sheltered already!
Liberals: “GUNS BAD!”
Also Liberals: “Calling the cops will get you killed!”
Fuck am I supposed to do?!
POC, LGBT and women: “We’re the biggest gun purchasing demographic because we see what’s coming.” That’s our right, and everyone but white liberals seems to be exercising it.
Did I make you uncomfortable? Sure as hell hope I did. The problem is our culture, not people like me.
I’ll defend you if it comes to it, do my damndest if it comes to “trains”, but please stop whining about gun owners. Stop whining about, “They want to exterminate trans people!” Get a fucking clue and work towards self-defense. FFS, stop losing votes.
You’d think if liberals actually believed Trump is a fascist and American democracy is on the ballot, they’d arm themselves to be prepared.
What exactly would you do if the US army went fascist? Think you’d be pretty out gunned lol
Hamas is outgunned. Doesn’t stop them from smoking Israeli tanks.
So were the vietnamese and afghanis
Cool, so Russia and China will be supplying us advanced weapons and flying jets for us?
It would be in their interest to encourage an American insurrection, so yes probably
Even if they didn’t if ‘lack of advanced fighter jets’ gonna be the reason you’re not going to oppose your own government if it went fascist then there’s a name for people like that. It’s just fascist.
I don’t think wars fought half way around the globe are quite the same as on your home turf.
Yeah, people would get much more upset if they attack weddings and school buses with drones locally.
I meant logistics.
I’m sure people were plenty upset with that locally.
Who are you going to shoot, though?
No comment.
Many do
Not nearly enough
Love seeing liberals get called out on their weird takes
People buy guns to protect themselves from people with guns.
Weird that this problem doesn’t happen in most countries isn’t it. I’m sure it’s nothing to do with the gun laws.
Most other countries didn’t have so many guns to begin w/, but they’re here to stay. If we didn’t already have so many, then sure we should get rid of them. But they’re not really going anywhere. I’m sure you’ve heard there are more guns than Americans?
Australia managed it fine. Just excuses mate.
In 1996, after 35 people were killed in a mass shooting, the Australian government enacted strict gun control laws, https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-can-australias-reaction-to-a-mass-shooting-teach-us-about-guns-and-gun-control/
35 people triggered it. You lot just need to sort your shit out.
“We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of ideas. May as well make the problem worse!”
What’s your point here? You both treat “liberals” (whatever that means) as being one homogenous group incapable of nuance or differing views.
? What
Get in touch with your local John brown gun club. Not every lefty is anti gun.
But they should be
Gun control laws exist at all because the right wanted to grab guns from Black Panthers who were simply defending themselves. Even the “gun grabber” rhetoric that comes from the right is ultimately projection.
Liberals are not left.
Yes, but one never knows if the liberals do
Liberals (in the US anyway) are centrist at best.
Liberals don’t say “guns bad.” They say “let’s make sure only people who pass a backgrpund check can buy them.”
But I guess the truth isn’t relevant to your narrative.
I mean it’s the same problem broad labels always have … liberals the term is for everything left of Bernie Sanders to the ball park Joe Manchin depending on who you’re talking to.
Why do you want people uncomfortable with you having a gun? Do you have some sort of need to instill fear in people who aren’t doing you any harm?
either you didnt read what they wrote or you are making the worst bad faith interpretation intentionally
This is what they wrote:
POC, LGBT and women: “We’re the biggest gun purchasing demographic because we see what’s coming.” That’s our right, and everyone but white liberals seems to be exercising it.
Did I make you uncomfortable? Sure as hell hope I did. The problem is our culture, not people like me.
Seems like maybe you didn’t read it.
i guess i didnt consider that you might have a problem with reading comprehension
Ah, insulting me rather than explaining what I supposedly misread. Sounds to me like I didn’t actually misread anything and you just want to attack me for not being afraid of guns for some reason.
Sorry, I’m still not afraid of guns and you can’t insult me into being afraid of them.
Nobody saying you should be afraid of guns. They’re saying that you should be uncomfortable with disarming vulnerable people.
That’s not what they said.
Again, this is what they said:
POC, LGBT and women: “We’re the biggest gun purchasing demographic because we see what’s coming.” That’s our right, and everyone but white liberals seems to be exercising it.
Did I make you uncomfortable? Sure as hell hope I did. The problem is our culture, not people like me.
I don’t know why you’re trying to gaslight me when this is the second time I’ve pasted what they said.
Now I guess you’ll insult me again?
Guess what? If you had good laws the other side wouldnt have guns either. What we propose? No guns and a well educated police force. You in america have the worst combination of crazy people like you, hoping for the day they can shoot someone, gun fetishism, idiotic gun laws and a completely untrained and aggressive police force.
Can we start IQ testing for cop hiring?
That was taken care of in 2000.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
They do already. Average intelligence or higher? Rejected.
They filter out those who score too high.
Let’s have police reform and additional training or more services!
Also…
PARENT YOUR OWN KIDS. Don’t call the cops on your underage children to “teach a lesson” you’re the parent, YOU do it. That call doesn’t come with a lesson, it comes with a pretty larceny charge to help with your kid’s “bad week”.
This. Honestly this is the one comment in this cesspool that makes sense. The thing that failed here is parenting.
And parenting a disabled kid for crying out loud. What a shit show.
Acac
Just stick to the B, it weakens the message when you mix it up mate.
I’m 100% on board that this was unnecessary, but how should police handle something like this? It’s a 230 pound 14 year old hormonal teenager that turned sullen and refused to comply.
Presumably the smart way would be to say “Ok your behavior is not ok but I’ll leave you be for now until you cool down.” and then just leave. I mean if you want to press charges you can come back any time. I don’t quite understand why in the US everyone is arrested instead of getting “a summons” (?).
I’d also say that nicotine is often used for self medication by people with mental issues, including ADHD. Smoking is more prevalent. Vaping provides a much safer alternative. Not condoning 14 year olds vaping but it could explain why he wants them.
I’m 100% on board that this was unnecessary, but how should police handle something like this? It’s a 230 pound 14 year old hormonal teenager that turned sullen and refused to comply.
USING WORDS.
I don’t think so. My guess is that sometimes the only way to deescalate is to leave someone alone. That’s what you’d have to teach police. But presumably only a qualified mental health professional can answer that question.
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Thanks. Hmm, maybe police officers have mental health issues that prevent them from retreating and asserting their “authoritae”. Maybe no amount of training or accompanying will help with that.
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Obviously the police are the criminals here, but that mom…
Idk. And clearly didn’t grow up being told what I was always told: “if you’ve got a problem and you call the police, now you’ve got two problems.”
Yeah this is some abusive, privileged bullshit and I really hope this idiot learned a lesson. I also hope her child reminds her of this shit anytime she starts mounting her high horse in the future.
Yes, the elderly woman that adopted an at-needs child of color is the one being abusive and privileged.
The abusive, privileged bullshit is your comment.
She called the cops on her own kid
She mistakenly thought that calling the cops to talk to her child about not stealing would help him understand why it’s wrong and what the stakes are. She’s an old white woman. She didn’t realize that cops wouldn’t treat her large, black child as subhuman.
She was stupid and ignorant, but the cops are the monsters here. Don’t get it twisted.
I think we can safely assume she won’t make that mistake again. The way her son hugged her after this ordeal says a lot about their relationship. Let’s not get fuckery about this and think that a mother trying to help her child is the one to blame.
She shouldn’t have done it, but not everyone grows up having police brutalize every non-white person they see. She’s learning that now. Those of us that aren’t white have known that for a long time.
Insanely weird to project your parental issues on a lady calling the cops on her adopted black child, but being old is not an excuse for not being aware of the century long issue of cops treating black people poorly.
there was a time where media portrayed that as a reasonable thing to do, the police would come and talk to their kid. I’ve heard stories about it happening. Hell when i kid we got caught being destructive and the cops who caught us took us on tour of where we could end up. We got brought in the truck straight to the cells. It is a foolish thought but a person who holds some idyllic model in their heads sometimes are blinded by it.
When I was in cubs as a child, they took us to a police station and the cops talked to us about various things, we got our fingerprints taken (for us to keep, not their system) and we got to check out the jail cells.
Cops have definitely been used for educational purposes in the past. I don’t remember much of it specifically, but i remember it being a great experience.
She has a black lives matter sign in front of her house.
She isnt senile, and she is aware of a movement dedicated to dealing with police aggression.
Her age isnt an excuse. She clearly should have known better. Its insane to excuse her behavior.
Love that your best retort is “no u”.
???
There was no “no u” here.
Are you whiny about the fact that they projected their parental issues onto anyone who correctly judged the idiot for calling the cops? Thats their projection, that they said.
Correctly noting the idiot should have known better about the older-than-her issue of cops beating black folk for the sin of being black has nothing to do with anyones parents.
Telling someone not to project their problems isnt a “no u,” but its cute your best retort was to brag about how poorly you read.
This is a minor problem compared to the fucking forced ketamin injections but can we please use more words to describe these types of issues. Like, specific ones. “Behavioral issues and intellectual disabilities” has also been used to describe the kid that almost beat a teacher to death for saying he shouldn’t have his Nintendo in school and the flying guy that tried to kill the judge. If there is no difference between how we describe them and this kid, we are just reinventing calling people retarded in increasingly elaborate ways.
Describing specific issues would violate their right to privacy.
I’m sure there is some middle ground we can find. His mother is named in the article and his actions were explained in depth so I don’t see a problem with being a bit more specific with what caused the behaviour. Especially when the phrase is also used to describe quite violent people.
I have to wonder why you want a clearer picture of what the boy was suffering from, 'cause from my vantage point it seems it’s only to satisfy your own curiosity rather than solve a larger issue.
Imo it’s none of our business what his diagnoses was as he was the victim here.
If it’s not relevant they dont need to bring it up. If it is relevant I would like to know what way it is relevant. I am fine with either but not both.
Don’t forget that the reason I want there to be more detail is because they used the expression as an excuse for that guy that jumped the judge. A guy that was articulate and friendly right up until he turned feral. I think it is doing this kid a disservice to put these two very different people under the same vague header. It’s what they did with the r-slur and it’s why it’s considered a slur today.
Again, in this particular instance he was the victim.
Blanket rules in revealing diagnoses do not take into account individual’s right to privacy. I prefer to respect that right vs your request to know.
I don’t know why “a bit more specific” is being read as reveal his medical history.
Because being specific is a breach of privacy. It’s really none of our business unless ofc one is a busybody.
Meh, not criminalizing children is usually a good thing, and language is an important part of that.
I see your point, but that is a bigger can of worms than I think you are expecting. There are dozens of genetic or congenital disorders that can lead to intellectual disabilities and hundreds of acquired ones; all of which result in a range of severity. Also, “intellectual disabilities” and “behavioral problems” are very large buckets of different manifestations. In order to differentiate in the way that you are asking for, they would need to report exact diagnoses and give a detailed description of the individual to differentiate them, and even then, there would need to be a lot of context and clarification if they are to avoid misinterpretation or misunderstanding of any terms or descriptions used.
I’m not saying it’s easy. When I say specific I just mean more specific than the huge bucket we currently have. Maybe 5 buckets so that this kid doesn’t need to share a bucket with the Nintendo kid i mentioned.
I feel the struggle, my little brother has been in and out of prison for years. He just has to be cool for a while, catch rides to work and the store, and he could pay off his fines and go back to normal life, but it always gets out of hand.
Cops have no mercy in their soul.
When you have a hammer everything looks like a nail.
And when all you have is ketamine …
Is having the cops beat your black son the new falling down at walmart
Police are not an education service. They’re armed men who have been trained to be aggressive.
Police are not an education service.
They like to pretend they are. Schools used to invite them into classrooms in the before times.
I hear they’re allergic to classrooms now
Right in the first part, but for the second: police come in more than one gender and the training is the same.
(Afaik on the training part - I welcome being proven wrong!)
I’m on mobile but didn’t see anything having to do with gender differences in training, only country based, which was not my point at all.
In most civilised countries, the police is trained to de-escalate conflicts and when the do nedd to be agressive, they are trained for it to not be excessive and certainly not letha…
Also in most civilised countries, this takes several years not just 6 months.
That said, I hope that excessive aggression is not taught in the US police and that it is down to bad culture or single bad apples or regions.
I don’t think police in other countries are much better. I’m in Canada and our cops can be every bit as bad as American cops.
Mom fucked around and found out! Reminds me of this story https://youtu.be/OvPJGW1yqkw?si=BJwfD1bCykog2wrQ
