This isn’t exactly where this belongs so feel free to delete this. I’m mildly infuriated there is no usable alternative to Amazon.com. I’m more than willing to buy products elsewhere, but it’s so easy to default to Amazon. Please help.
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I’m generally fine with Amazon. The main things I’d like to see changed:
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Their determined nagging to subscribe to Amazon Prime. I don’t have a good fix there.
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Perishable food. Walmart.com does a better job here IME, uses their existing infrastructure and delivery network to provide perishables in a tight time window.
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Limited product classification for searches. For electronics, Newegg does a better job of having a database with many aspects of products being searchable. In general, specialty rather than general-purpose stores seem to do a better job on this.
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Limited selection. Amazon is pretty darn good on this, but for some really esoteric stuff, Google Shopping can win, since it’ll index the inventory of many retailers. If I can’t find something on Amazon, that’s my next stop. It can also search for numeric ranges (“3…25”) as I recall, which can be useful for some items.
If you want an alternative for some reason, OP, you probably want to list what it is that you’d like done differently, as that kinda determines what alternatives make sense.
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This is always the problem: Monopolies are popular with consumers because their centralization makes everything easy. The trappings of convenience.
Buy stuff directly from stores. Every time I’ve looked, the price elsewhere often exactly matches what Amazon charges because their pricing algorithms are constantly price matching anyhow.
But not shipping. And sometimes, that’s the difference.
I’d honestly pay a bit more to buy from better vendors. Price, options, shipping aren’t the things why I end up using Amazon mostly (despite not liking it).
It’s the fact that if I need to return something I just click 2 buttons and no questions asked a guy shows up at my door tomorrow to pick it up and my refund is back in my account by the evening.
If other vendors started doing that without all the caveats and conditions and such, I’d never look back.
Companies pay for free returns by increasing their prices by about 10% to cover the cost of reverse logistics. Most of the items returned in online shopping end up in landfill.
Most of what it worthwhile to buy from Amazon can be found in a physical store or from the manufacturers website. Do a bit of research beforehand and it’s very easy to be confident that you’re not going to need to return what you buy.
If you cannot afford to shop elsewhere, then I don’t see how it’s reasonable to fault you for that. But if you can justify spending a little less and want to avoid it, then I’m sure you know what I would suggest. Do or do not, a wise man once said.
Are you frustrated that you can’t muster the willpower to avoid shopping there? The website was literally designed to get you addicted to it. The man himself has said as such. There are browser extensions that will block specific url families. I wouldn’t be surprised if entire extensions were designed for that website specifically.
I just wish there was an aggregator that isn’t Walmart or Amazon or Temu. I try really hard to spread my shopping around and actually buy local when I can. It just sucks Amazon is so easy.
There are people who sell products who are not affiliated with Amazon
Shocking I know
I take full responsibility for myself. I try to shop independently when possible.
Those are getting harder and harder to find. I’ve had a number of occasions now where I went directly to a brand’s website or even their physical store in an attempt to avoid Amazon, only to receive the product in an Amazon box delivered by an Amazon courier anyway.
The most recent physical store was shoes: I found a size/style that fit well, but wanted a different color. I ordered the preferred color through the in store salesperson, but it was still fulfilled by Amazon.
Yeah. Lots of places may just use the Amazon warehouse side of the business. Especially if they offer products on Amazon.
No.
Amazon is what it is because it creates an easier path for America to buy cheap, as Walmart and McDonald’s has done before to great microscopic economic success, due to the failures of our economic paradigm that shrinks wages and pushes manufacturing offshore for corporate profit.
We need higher wages, which create higher prices, which corrects for the misdeeds of our economic exploitation of foreign economies.
We have offloaded our economic burden onto other poorer nations, and that needs to stop. Pay a living wage and accept the higher cost at lower profits. Doing otherwise is an economic ouroboros that only swallows the easy part at the sake of the whole in the name of kicking an inflationary can down the road so that yachts can grow larger as the foundation of this country in undermined for icarian profits.
Fuck your CEO, pay us so they can pay us something and they can have less than everything, so they can keep from having nothing less than more than we can achieve through reluctant violence.
I wish it’d had stayed in the USA, Amazon has upset economies in other countries too.
They’re also shit to work for.
The one I worked at I heard a spoiled rich manager laughing about how “Amazon wont pay a living wage due to its great relationship with the local community”.
Also Amazon EU I think is based in Ireland which is kind of a tax haven. We can’t even cooperate within the EU to prevent tax havens…
“Amazon wont pay a living wage due to its great relationship with the local community”.
So, taken by a normal person, not aquainted with corpo speak… that is some astounding anti-logic.
But if you know a bit of corpo, what that actually means is something like:
We have the local city government by the balls, greatly overexagerated the economic benefit our warehouse would bring to the city, got them to subsidize our construction costs, relax zoning laws or fees, change tax laws or give us a special carve out so that we pay less than if anyone else tried to build a warehouse here…
… and now if the city gov goes for policies/laws we don’t like, we’ll just shut down this location, I’ll go work the same job somewhere else, everyone else is unemployed, and then we’ll tell the media that’s because of the city government, and they’ll likely lose their elected positions.
Thank you for explaining, i knew enough to know that this was some clever wording to avoid paying people properly, but not enough to know the depth or implications. This should really be put about more, cause as it stands people say “isnt it great that Amazon invest in the local road network” or provide computers for schools, or whatever the latest one is…soon theyll be saying “isnt it great that Amazon provide housing”.
The even shorter, more direct version is:
‘Local community’ actually means ‘Official representatives of the local community.’
EDIT: And ‘great relationship’ means ‘we do business with whatever entity regularly, and that business we do is more advantageous to us than it is to them’.
… Also… I’m in America so… maybe this is somehow different in various Euro countries, but I seriously doubt it…
There’s no way Amazon invests in local roads.
I’m from Seattle.
Our roads are absolute ass, I’m talking worse than the average road in a small town in South Dakota or Montana.
They certainly don’t directly fund any roadwork around Seattle, despite having many logistics hubs in and near the city.
They’re more likely to strong arm a city, even literally sue them, into upgrading their roads than they are to… like directly contribute some share of their revenue or profit directly into the city’s road maintenance or construction budget.
0 chance Amazon directly funds building of any roads beyond the roads on their property.
Provide computers to schools? Sure, I believe that.
But I am highly doubtful that Amazon directly contributes to building local roads.
Only way I can even see that kind of making sense in a roundabout way is if the city has some kind of specific tax on heavier vehicles or vehicles used in delivery/logistics…
In which case … this would apply to any delivery/logistics vehicle of any kind that either transits through or is based out of the city.
By that logic anyone that pays a sales tax or property tax in the city pays for new roads, likely significantly more, as a group.
I don’t have source, they’ve claimed to invest in roads and provide computers, but I strongly suspect you’re right, just can’t confirm it cause I can’t provide an example…so let’s just say you’re right.
Climb down off of your soapbox. Amazon is what it is because of early strategic decision making and long term shittiness. I’m talking about aggregation and exposure to semi-local partners.
Wtf.
Isn’t this what Etsy has tried to do? Miserably failed at it recently I think.
What kind of stuff have you been buying that you couldn’t find elsewhere (at a competitive price)?
I buy a moderate amount of my stuff online and was able to almost entirely avoid Amazon this year. The only exception was a phone display where Amazon had a LCD-variant for ~30€ while all others only had an OLED for ~90€.
I dont think its about availability, more about the convenience of having everything in one place and especially the rating system (which of course only works if you have a huge customer base and is also being exploited so not really a plus for Amazon anymore)
Not perfect but a lot of big box stores offer free shipping. I usually will check Walmart, Best Buy, Target B&H and Google shopping. I’m pretty sure they all offer free shipping after $35. Chewy for animal stuff is really good too. Also check the manufacturer, I recently bought a gift that way and it was cheaper and had more selection options than dumb Amazon.
Came to say the same. I’m not sure how much my location plays a role, but B&H is my go-to for many electronics, Best Buy is a backup, and Target is up there too. I can pre-order BB and Tgt as well, giving me a few stores to choose from locally. The physical stores need to compete with Amazon to survive, so they are
Google shopping or duckduckgo shopping can usually find it. Or go to amazon and then search the sellers name.
alternatives would be possible if they wouldn’t be forcibly removed from Amazon from being present in alternatives
Companies like Getir which had attempted expansion were pushed out, meaning they couldn’t even begin to attempt a secondary market similar to Amazon
Turkey and likely other European nations has a lot of competition regarding this,
Getir originates from Turkey, alongside that there is n11, Hepsiburada, Trendyol, idefix, and pttAVM.
Amazon is convenient and two day shipping rules
Of course it is, but why does convenience have to be built on exploitation? I would gladly pay higher prices for an ethical alternative.
Then by all means, do so. I’ll keep doing as I do.
Not sure how you interpreted my comment as criticism, but it wasnt. Nevertheless, there is no comparable alternative, so unfortunateIy cant “do so”.
The difference is I don’t feel bad nor care about where I shop. I go where the deals are
Um, sure.
Barely anything I order comes in 2 days anymore. It’s almost always 3 to 5 days.
I have a Amazon warehouse near me so that probably helps
Same here. Alot of things are even available for same day shipping.
You’re on a federated website, but think what we need is more centralized marketplaces?
But there is… Walmart.com in the US offers basically the same and often with 2 day shipping and in most cases same easy return.
Every big name store has something similar the issue is that its worse or the same as Amazon, never better.
Probably not aligned with the OP but id like a place that aggregates quality things from all over no cheap sketchy plastic things but also not just common big items that are already in every big box store.
I think he was hoping for something better than Amazon, as opposed to worse.
When I want a cheap plastic thingy, or cheap hardware and electronics to play around with, I get it off aliexpress. It’s virtually the same stuff as amazon just for the patient. Most of that stuff is made in China already even if I get it from an online or local brick and mortar retailer, so it seems more direct to me, avoiding needless retransportation, warehousing and waste.
When I want a quality thing I buy it from a local shop, especially when I need to see it or compare before buying. I can often find a Canadian online retailer too with just a bit of sleuthing.
For cheap plastic “thingies” if you know a friend with a 3D printer they can be of massive help. Even if you don’t have such a friend, there are domestic businesses that will print and ship things for you. Granted they aren’t always as cheap, but easily better for the environment due to being more local.
Also, check your local library for “creator” services. Our local libraries have 3d printers you can either use, or have them print stuff for you for dirt cheap. Really, really cool service.
This right here! If you are looking at something on amazon go to Ali or Temu.
Quitting Amazon to use AliExpress or Temu is like quitting drinking alcohol by switching to heroin instead.
Environmental issues aside, cheap disposable shit that you have to replace constantly actually costs you way more in the long run.
I think the point behind made is that the stuff on Amazon is literally the same items. People buy off Alibaba / express and resell on Amazon… With a pretty good markup.
I see way more dropshipping on Amazon than before. It’s gonna end up just being a front for the chineese stores.
I agree, but sometimes you just need some cheap shit. I’d rather pay 2$ for stickers for my kids than the same ones for 9$ on amazon.
I can often find a Canadian online retailer too with just a bit of sleuthing I’ve tried this a few times and most of them end up just being drop shippers with their own website dedicated to a type of product (and are questionably Canadian), sometimes shipping from whatever country warehouse to me. Any ideas how to tell vs an actual located in Canada shop?
Amazon is one issue, but I think the larger enshittification is the proliferation of “marketplace” websites that allow any random imported junk to appeat right alongside quality products with actual manufacturer support.
It isn’t really a good alternative, but Walmart.com has nearly as wide of a selection and the same delivery times.
Not that Walmart is a better company.
