• ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
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    21 days ago

    One thing that should scare the shit out of these fuckers is that nobody is blaming it on their political enemies. Both the left and the right secretly hope it was one of their guys that did this.

    • b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      21 days ago

      Yeah, the sentiment in comments I’m seeing are taking this as the working class fighting back against the ruling class. They should be scared of the 99% waking up to the fact that the 1% are not invincible and their fortunes and bunkers won’t save them.

    • bountygiver [any]@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      20 days ago

      saw someone post about how the post that is mourning the CEO in facebook got ratio’d hard by laughing emojis, a platform that is largely conservative boomers.

      even though conservatives don’t like socialized healthcare, they seemed to hate private insurances more.

        • uis@lemm.ee
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          19 days ago

          Soar, Lenin’s banner,

          That always calls forward.

          With it half of world is going with us.

          One day entire world will go.

          - One of proposed post-Stalin soviet anthems

    • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee
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      21 days ago

      Pick any rural county, and you can find a bus load of people who’ve been screwed over or denied care by health insurance. And for those who do not have a specific, personal grudge, healthcare options in the sticks are increasingly geographic monopolies run by a single provider, with a Byzantine network of in/out network insurers.

      Someone driving their mother four hours for biweekly dialysis or cancer care because the local provider is not covered is going to be pissed. A parent buying their child because the local provider ‘streamlined’ care while slashing nursing headcount is going to be a lot more than pissed.

      • Rakonat@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        20 days ago

        Reason #2193 we should have switched over to universal healthcare decades ago. For profit healthcare and services undermine the very thing they are supposed to provide

      • psivchaz@reddthat.com
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        20 days ago

        I knew healthcare was messed up but I legit didn’t know how messed up until it happened to me. My daughter got put on a specialty medicine because of a relatively rare kidney condition. It had to be compounded, because she is a small child but the medicine only came in adult doses.

        Aetna denied coverage, stating I had to get the medicine from CVS (which is owned by the same parent company of Aetna). CVS does not compound medicine, so we couldn’t get it from them. I spent almost a full year on the phone arguing with them and around $6000 paying out of pocket before I was able to switch insurances.

        I consider myself reasonable. Even in a functioning system, mistakes can happen and need to be resolved, and I spent the first month or more assuming this was just an innocent mistake. What got to me was the total lack of recourse. Day after day on the phone with people, some of whom genuinely seemed to care but could do nothing. They intentionally separate the patients from the people making decisions so that all the decision makers get is a few fields in a form, not the whole story. The people in charge are even more separated so they never have to hear anything about the people they’re screwing over. And if I couldn’t afford the extra $6000 burden, I just wouldn’t have gotten the medicine and in the best case she would have spent that year in and out of the hospital and in the worst she wouldn’t have survived the year.

        I tend to think most people are decent. But the system we’ve built makes sure to separate people by impenetrable layers of bureaucracy to ensure that the decent people either can’t do anything or never know there’s a problem, while the indecent never have to be confronted with the damage they do. It’s insane.

      • GladiusB@lemmy.world
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        20 days ago

        I’m guessing it was a child more than a spouse. Could be a spouse. But kids are next level assholery.

  • Mickey7@lemmy.world
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    21 days ago

    Funny how even though I have had many fights with health insurance companies I never wished for the death of another human being

      • Allonzee@lemmy.world
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        21 days ago

        boo hoo, the guy that set policies that killed their own customers when they became inconvenient to their bottom line, solely to increase their private profit, had 2 kids. Those kids will still go to fancy private schools and be materially fine, arguably with one less antisocial influence.

        How many parents of kids without trust funds did he kill with United Healthcare’s policies designed to deny necessary care solely to boost private profits?

        https://www.propublica.org/article/evicore-health-insurance-denials-cigna-unitedhealthcare-aetna-prior-authorizations

        We don’t even get to vote on this being allowed, the last President that promised to fix this system intituted a plan that instead of removing the profit motive from Healthcare doubled down and further enshrined insurer middlemen predators like United Healthcare.

        I know people like you. People that believe if we just play by the rules, protest in designated protest zones pathetically outside the eyeline and profit operations of those being protested, vote for either of our bought and paid for parties that defend this economy from the society it perversely controls, then a just world will just emerge. It won’t. Not unless we fight for it. And I’m not using fight as a metaphor, because those that seek power over the masses never surrender their power by anything but force or the real threat thereof.

        But maybe we should just exercise more temperance as you say, let them completely destroy Earth’s climate for humans first while we ask them really nicely not to. Wow.

        Oh, also, bye. Maybe reddit would be a good fit for you.

      • Bilb!@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        20 days ago

        But when a CEO gets murdered, the Tankies come out en masse to tell us that shooting and killing a father of 2 is actually heroism or something.

        This is just delusional. It is by no means only “tankies.” The American public by and large hates and is constantly humiliated by the health insurance industry.

        And being a parent has no bearing on it whatsoever. That’s just you trying (and failing) to be emotionally manipulative.

    • cm0002@lemmy.world
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      21 days ago

      Not having sympathy for the death of another/Saying karma but them in the ass != Wishing for another’s dearh

      • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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        21 days ago

        Why not tell that to the News mods who took down my comment that simply said “and nothing of value was lost” and claimed that was celebrating and promoting violence and a violation of the Terms of Service of lemmy.world.

        • noscere@lemmy.world
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          21 days ago

          Yeah, the mods over there are killing like half the comments. I looked through the modlog, and most of the deleted comments are pretty tame. The mods over there are sucking right now.

          • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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            21 days ago

            Meh, there’s worse mods out there. I’m sure it’s an overwhelming thread and they’re just slamming the brakes on everything to try to keep it under control. Probably like a thousand user reports already or something.

            Do innocuous comments get caught in the crossfire? Yeah, oh well. I didn’t add anything particularly important to the conversation anyway.

        • DarkCloud@lemmy.world
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          21 days ago

          Turns out mainstream journalism, news agencies, and even forums that deliver “the news” are actually there to force a particular cultural interpretation of the news whilst preventing others. We can see this in the sane washing of Trump.

          It’s another aspect of cultural Class Warfare - The Frankfurt School pointed it out in this essay. They called it “The Culture Industry”, and Marcuse said it was an inescapable part of the reproduction of culture in the age of “mechanical reproduction”… Which is what Marcuse’ book “One Dimensional Man” is about.

          Of course the millionaires and billionaires who fund the news and social media don’t want anyone seeing a certain kind of justice in the death of one of their own. Even if it’s really a byproduct of a system (techno feudalism) that really offers no other pathway to justice.

    • elbucho@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      21 days ago

      You’ve never wished for the death of serial killers? Rapists? Pedophiles? Dictators? Animal abusers? The odd mime?

      Somehow, I don’t believe you. But, on the off chance that you’re telling the truth… this is for you:

    • elbucho@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      21 days ago

      But those who think that they are virtuous have no problem celebrating this guy being killed calling it karma. And this comment will be totally downvoted because how dare someone point out their hypocrisy.

      “Virtue” is a relative thing. What is virtuous to one person might not be virtuous to another. You, for example, seem to believe that celebrating the death of someone is unvirtuous, even if that person was a monster. This is pure speculation on my part, but I’m also guessing that you hold the belief that nobody deserves to die.

      These beliefs are not universal. While you would be a hypocrite for violating your own strongly held beliefs, it would not be accurate to apply that label to someone who doesn’t hold those beliefs. For example, I believe that death is the worst punishment you can give to a person. I also believe that some people absolutely deserve it. I would not find it virtuous to falsely pretend otherwise. I have no moral qualms with celebrating the death of someone who I think deserves it. Similarly, I have no qualms about celebrating good things that happen to a person who I think deserves them. In both cases, I consider those things to be the universe working out as it should.

      • Machinist@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        21 days ago

        Not the OP, but I appreciate your ethical explanation.

        I agree partially with you. I don’t have a moral issue with the killing of individuals who have engaged in particularly heinous acts: murder, rape, torture, extreme child and spousal abuse, white collar negligence/willfully allowing death to occur through inaction for pay, etc.

        I just don’t trust the US or the states to ethically carry out executions, especially given their track record of executing innocent or low IQ individuals. So I’m anti death penalty. Life is cheaper than execution anyhow.

        That being said, I don’t have a problem with certain kinds of vigilante justice or vengeance either. Especially vengeance for a loved one. FWIW, I’m not seeking vengeance, but I absolutely get it. Jury nullficaton should always be a right.

        Anyhow, the news isn’t in, but I’m rooting for an ethical vengeance situation. He killed a fucking vampire, I hope he’s a hero with respectable views. Even more, I hope they never catch him. Either way the fucker is dead, and good riddance. I hope the other CEOs squirm, they need to either get right or go to prison.

        We should be having this discussion in News.

        • elbucho@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          21 days ago

          Well, unfortunately the guy used an e-bike with GPS tracking on it as his getaway vehicle, so I very much doubt he’s going to get away with it. But yes - I agree with you on the death penalty. Shit gets complicated when the state gets involved.

          • Revan343@lemmy.ca
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            21 days ago

            Depends how far he took the tracked bike. If this was well planned, it would have been to somewhere with no cameras, and a his own bike waiting for him.

            If it was really well planned, there was also a burn barrel and some gasoline there, and every visible piece of clothing from the video, including the backpack, no longer exist

    • 100_kg_90_de_belin @feddit.it
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      21 days ago

      Terror or not, the Jacobins did nothing wrong and the French Revolution was the right thing to do. (Offlaga Disco Pax, Robespierre)

    • inv3r510n@lemmy.world
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      21 days ago

      Well aren’t you pious

      I’m ready to go out and celebrate with some drinks over this fucking asshole getting what he deserved. How many millions have him and his ilk killed by denying them healthcare?

      Fuck him and fuck all his bootlickers.

    • Hlodwig@lemmy.world
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      21 days ago

      Celebrating someone death does not mean you cant be virtuous. Even killing someone can be considered virtuous in many different cases. Killing out of mercy, to protect others, or to change things for the better can be considered virtuous in many way. Revenge, jealousy and hatred are bad, but a murder comitted over revenge doesnt mean it cannot be celebrated as an opportunity for change or awareness… Victim murder may be wrong even if he was a shitstain for the society, but from his murder maybe good things may happen, maybe its successor may think twice on deciding on the balance between profit and client wellness…

    • Allonzee@lemmy.world
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      21 days ago

      I never wished for the death of another human being

      Neat. I’ll bet Brian didn’t either.

      The policies under his leadership caused the deaths of many human beings, and prolonged the suffering of many more. Not because he hated them or wished them death, he’d have to care enough to know their names first, but because denying their valid claims on buried technicalities as a matter of policy made him and his profiteer shareholders moar profit.

      Capitalists don’t kill out of hate, their victims are just nameless speed bumps to glorious profit. They kill with a shrug, in volume.

      • WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        21 days ago

        That last bit is the truth. I grew up in a wealthy family and saw it from the inside before becoming the radical leftist I am today. Rich people don’t hate you—they literally don’t think about you at all. You are so far removed from their reality that when your complaints occasionally reach their ears, they assume you must be lying. They fundamentally can’t accept that their lifestyle and the way they wield power has consequences for other people.

        That’s why people say “why is this happening” on the way to the guillotine.

        • Allonzee@lemmy.world
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          21 days ago

          I grew up in a trailer under a freeway.

          I only say that to provide context to say THANK YOU, sincerely, for doing what maybe one in a thousand born into your situation do. Reflect on your situation earnestly, recognizing the atrocity of it, rejecting the siren’s call of ignoring that reality for the sake of blissfully ignorant greed and glut and decadence, and ultimately rejecting accepting complicity in and propagation of it.

          That is no small feat.

          • WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            21 days ago

            To summarize my life, I say that I went to the White House, a crack house, and a nudist tree house in my first 21 years. I’ve had 3 near death experiences, the first in a private jet, the second with a gun to my head, and the third from taking bad ecstasy. I do my best to use that perspective for good, even though it can be really hard to reconcile such diverse experiences into a working personality.

            No need to thank me, once I saw what reality was, the choice was easy. I always know what side of the line I will stand on.

  • poo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    21 days ago

    Can’t remember the last time that a headline about someone being shot and killed brought a smile to my face, but here we are. Brian Thompson deserves no sympathy.

      • A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world
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        21 days ago

        Huh, from your post I’d assumed it painted a brutal picture of him. Instead, it’s basically just his family and company saying “he was such a nice man”.

        I expected better, NPR.

        • ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net
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          21 days ago

          NPR has been targeted by republicans for reporting on facts in the past few years that they’ve been scared shitless and now report on the most shallowest softest version of news to avoid offending anybody.

          Shame, as Trump will still defund them.

        • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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          21 days ago

          Don’t expect a mainstream news outlet to condone an assassination.

          Also, don’t feel the need to have a mainstream news outlet validate your ideas.

    • Shadywack@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      21 days ago

      Comment’s still up after an hour, yup, looks like the mods here are pretty good. I like this place. Over in /c/news the modlog is insane, looks like it’d be easier to just remove themselves from the Fediverse rather than try and remove all the comments that might hint at “celebrating violence”.

    • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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      21 days ago

      I have an old friend named Brian Thompson who is 100% not this Brian Thompson.

      I feel bad for him having this guys name today and how much shit he’ll hear about it.

    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      21 days ago

      I made almost verbatim this same comment in c/news and mods deleted it, instance level tos violation.

      EDIT: Oh, interesting, looks like my 24 ban to all of world got lifted, after I made a thread elsewhere showcasing myself and a bunch of others getting their comments deleted and temp banned.

      Guess lemmy.world uses the old school twitter / twitch approach to moderation.

      • inv3r510n@lemmy.world
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        21 days ago

        You can get instance wide ban? How have I not gotten one yet I’ve been really pissing off the libs since they lost the US election by being insufferable

        (Coming from the left)

        • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zipEnglish
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          21 days ago

          Yeah, I got an instance wide, 24 hr temp ban…

          Made a thread in yepowertrippinbastards on db0’s anarchist instance, a community that exists to report on silly mod activity, and within about one or two ish hours, after a good bit of discussion, including at least a few mods for various .world communities, and possibly a .world admin?

          … 24 temp ban removed, or shortened to 2hrs or whatever.

          How have you not gotten one?

          My guess would be ‘post insane shit, mods/admins are sleeping’.

          (For anyone interested, i am summarizing a good deal here, a lot more people than myself got temp banned and comments deleted, i did actually say something ‘more extreme’ in a seperate comment, but the point of me complaining was that the mods were going wild, check the mod log or db0 for more context)

            • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zipEnglish
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              20 days ago

              Drag, I was in that thread.

              I had to basically do lingustic analysis on the last few weeks or so of your comment history to figure out was going on.

              You got a bunch of hostile responses, and apparently banned, not because you are trans and people are intolerant of that, but because you insist upon your own custom personal pronouns which are extremely grammarically confusing to anyone who is not you or someone that already knows you quite well.

              It took me a significant amount of effort to figure out how your way of communicating works, and after I figured this out, it became apparent that from your point of view, everyone was saying you said things that you did not say, but from a conventional english speaker’s point of view, you can easily be interpreted as having actually said those things, and then you would deny having said them.

              I put in this amount of effort because people were claiming you were doing a bit or intentionally trolling people, and I wanted to actually analyze that claim, and ended up attempting to describe and explain your essentially unique way of speaking, in hopes of at least defending you from accusations of being a troll.

              • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nzEnglish
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                20 days ago

                You didn’t need to do all that work. You could have just clicked on drag’s profile. It says drag uses person-independent drag/dragself pronouns. You could have looked at drag’s post history and seen posts about drag’s gender. You decided to reinvent the wheel.

                The grammatical problem with this is that the ‘pronoun’ they are using is their own nickname.

                And you messed up. Drag isn’t drag’s nickname. Baator, the post you were replying to was about drag having comments removed that said drag isn’t a nickname.

                Your analysis didn’t add to the discussion because you were two steps behind everybody who either read drag’s bio or read the post. And that’s the thing about understanding us queer people. If you want to understand us, then listen to us. Ask questions if the answers aren’t obvious to you. You don’t explain your own assumptions to other people as if they’re authoritative information. That’s just causing more problems for queer people.

                If you had clicked on drag’s profile, you would have seen posts about drag’s gender on Blahaj Zone and lemmy.ca, where people asked questions and drag answered. Those people have it figured out. They know how to listen to queer people. Why doesn’t everyone?

                • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zipEnglish
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                  20 days ago

                  You could have looked at drag’s post history and seen posts about drag’s gender. You decided to reinvent the wheel.

                  Thats what I did Drag, that’s what I said I did.

                  I did linguistic analysis by reading your profile and post/comment history.

                  I am queer myself, and also neurodiverse, and I am not talking about your gender, I am talking about your communication style.

                  I have known tons of queer, gay, lesbian, bi, trans, etc people and you are the only person I’ve ever met that uses ‘person independent pronouns.’

                  I’ve even dated a trans person with dissociative identity disorder, whose different identities had different genders, but this person would still use I and My, would still use he or she or they depending on which alter I was interacting with.

                  If your username is Dragon Rider, 99% of people will view your use of Drag or drag as a nickname, the same way John is often a shortened version of Johnathan.

                  Drag isn’t drag’s nickname.

                  99.9% of people, who use standard English grammatical rules, including myself, a former copywriter for a university newspaper, automatically interperet “drag’s” in this sentence as you referring to yourself in the third person.

                  99.9% of people would say “Drag isn’t my nickname.”

                  I know that you like to describe it as person independent pronouns, but that is a confusing, foreign concept to 99.9% of English speakers who are not part of a very small part of the already comparitively small queer / neurodiverse community/ies.

                  …

                  If I were to go around saying “That is not what spec said, spec claimed that blah blah blah…”, never using standard first person pronouns…

                  I would encounter exactly the same confusion, people would think I was referring to myself in the third person, by a nickname.

  • WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    21 days ago

    I really wanted this headline to be real, but I can’t find it anywhere. I think it’s a photoshopped headline about the real event. Hope someone proves me wrong and provides a link.

    • Hildegarde@lemmy.world
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      21 days ago

      Seems to be fake. Author Phil McKracken seems to be badly spaced and is a name often used for practical jokes, and doesn’t appear to have written any other articles.

      Fake image, but the story of him being shot and dying from it is real.

    • wander1236@sh.itjust.works
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      21 days ago

      Seeing as the author byline is a dirty pun and the title’s punctuation doesn’t make sense, I’m pretty sure it’s a fake headline.

    • Ajen@sh.itjust.works
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      21 days ago

      One way to tell is that people don’t get denied medical care because they don’t have insurance, they get denied care because the hospital doesn’t think they will be able to pay. It doesn’t matter to the hospital is the money comes from insurance or out of the patients pocket. Unlike most patients, this guy can afford 7 figure medical bills.

    • DarkCloud@lemmy.world
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      20 days ago

      What’s embarrassing was seeing lemny try to cebsor commentary and discussion of events whilst reddit just let things rip.

      I thought this was the free speech platform but reddit put this place to shame. What a let down.

      • Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world
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        20 days ago

        .world instance != Lemmy (lemny) The instance has some rules for content, and discussions around celebrating a murder are getting caught up in that.

        There might be some overstepping of moderation in places, but it must be a bit of a minefield for the mods.

        The best thing for you to get the experience you want from Lemmy is to engage in those discussions in an instance that suits your moderation preferences.

      • Bilb!@lem.monsterEnglish
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        20 days ago

        Just like on Reddit, that depends on the moderators of the sub/com. It really couldn’t work any other way. .world seems to often err on the side of being inoffensive for the sake of broader appeal. (And probably also not getting in hot water with their hosting partners, acquaintances, etc.)

  • VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca
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    21 days ago

    Now his life insurance should consider pre existing condition of being a shitbag CEO to deny it.

  • collapse_already@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    21 days ago

    FBI searching for the killer: United Healthcare denied 2.8M insurance claims in the last year and most of those people have families, so it looks like we have around 10M suspects.