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mercifully pulling both levers.
But then how do you kill the remaining two people?
Survivor’s guilt
Philosphers really just go “imagine how fucked up it would be if…” and then take it incredibly seriously
I think these scenarios might be easier to analyze if we made them a bit more realistic.
This an analogy for military intervention. If we empower our military to be proactive, we can save one "good guy"TM by killing 3 bystanders. But if NATO’s adversaries are participating too we lose 3 of our "good guy"TM
I think the abstract nature is one of the strengths. If you ask someone a question about military intervention, their pre-existing views towards military intervention will heavily bias their answer.
Look at the actual Cuban Missile Crisis.
Questions: why doesn’t the person at the switch run and get the person off the tracks? And the people on the trolley hop off or try to the sslow the trolley?
They are tied to their chair with the only thing they can do being flipping the lever. It is the prisoner’s trolley problem
I think this exposes the sadism of philosophy the past few hundred years.
Often, it’s been some rich idle folks making up murderous fantasies in their heads while looking down at my ancestors . “Oh, you don’t know page 273 of Aristotle’s rejoinder? Haha, you must be too poor”.
something something about conservation of momentum, them jumping off speeds up the trolley
Not if they jump from the front of the trolley
If these are tracks in the US then I just understaff the engineers and maintenance teams and the train derails before I have to make a decision, checkmate.
If these tracks are in the US, so I am. So I shoot the other guy with the gun(s) I usually carry around when I go out and then pull the lever.
And where are their arms and legs?
They didn’t keep them inside the car at all times.
amputee representation. don’t make it weird.
Throw the trolley off the side of the ferry.
and here. we. go
easy pull both levers
The last line of these is always what the poster wants to happen
everything else is skewed rationale to make you think it is a funny
it is, in reality, anti-intellectual propaganda
I think most of these have just become self-satire and clever attempts to come up with increasingly convoluted ethical choices.
It’s not anti-intellectualism, it’s anti-trolly-problem specifically.
My favorite version is:
A trolley is approaching a junction and you have the ability to leave the switch where it is, sending the trolley into an innocent person tied to the tracks, or pull the lever sending the trolley down the tracks to someone else that is now faced with the same trolley problem.
I would tie a really really long string to the lever and attach the string to a large bird and then scare it into flying away. Then I would eat some delicious Heinz Baked Beans
Give the loved ones guns
I think the premise falls apart on the assumption that I consider pulling the lever as best case.
Which relative is on the track and which in the trolley?
It says loved ones I’m afraid, can’t sacrifice one in prison I’m afraid.
Your hot cousin is on the track. What would you do?
Don’t pull the lever, then there’s three thirds of hot cousin to go around regardless of the other person’s decision. Philosophy is easy.
Easy there Solomon
cut the trolley in half, give one half to each of the thirds of the hot cousin
Split the track in half, and ramp up one side, causing the trolley to drive on two wheels, effectively only slicing the legs off of your loved ones.
What do I do? I introduce myself to the other person, then we go out for drinks, then we fuck all night.
We no longer give a shit about the assholes on the tracks.
This feels too high quality for a shit post.
Gotta make sure your fiber intake is decent so you get good quality shit like this
